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Post by Guest Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:41 pm

Lara wrote:Haha, that was Astrid! People always confuse the two.
Oops laugh out loud they look the same

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Post by Luvstruck Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:30 pm

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CHO wrote:In a nutshell - what exactly is the "proof" that Vanessa is F1 ?  I re-watched the scenes with Raven - and I think there is far more chemistry with Raven.  Nick seems so relaxed and happy when he is with her - but intrigued and amused by her too.  The evening part of the skating in the roller rink - very romantic - and then when she got the 3 on 1 date rose - they couldn't keep their hands off each other.  On the htd - maybe the mud-bath scene was staged - but both seemed to be having fun - "sassy and sexual !"  We don't get to see the hot tub scene - is that because we might figure out something ?  Remember we are continually told that N is unpredictable.  I see Vanessa whining, complaining, doubtful - needing to re-evaluate - and I feel N is on the brink of "getting in trouble."  Vanessa leads the conversation - I think N gets kind of swallowed up.  I wonder if we are in for a twist ....

IA, I rewound and listened to Nick when he gave GDR to Raven he said "This is the last rose I will give out this week and likely the most important one, and with hometowns coming up.....Raven will you accept this Rose, then takes her out the door and immediately embraces and kiss's her and then takes her to a private concert for the two of them with more kissing etc. Seems like something between them to me. We did not see much of Raven's HTD and I wonder if that was because their may have been more chemistry than THPB wanted to let be seen at this point If you go back and listen to Vanessa's statements all you get is complaints about Nicks decisions, doubt and questions as to why she may rather go home, and his asking other parents for their ok to marry is a "game changer" So my question is, with all this how is she suppose to come to a decision in a couple of weeks that she wants to accept a marriage purposal from the guy she has constantly complained about?

It seems looked over but Raven was one Nick chose for date to spend time with his sister and introduce to his parents as well. Juan Pablo is another bachelor who took only Nikki his final one to meet his family on a date.

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Post by GuardianAngel Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:34 pm

Ben brought someone home to meet his parents? I don't remember who it was, or if it was even on his season? laugh out loud but I'm pretty sure he did and it wasn't Lauren.


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Post by traveler90 Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:38 pm

^^ I think the original plan was to go to SC but due to a storm it was impossible to do so (CMIIW). His hometown was a last minute decision, so even if he wanted to give this date to Vanessa, it would have been impossible as she just had a date. So, maybe Raven was already supposed to get a date in episode 4, so he said why not.
Further, I see as much chemistry between Nick and Raven as I see between Nick and one of the twins, absolutely none. All JMO.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Ben introduced Emily to his parents and his mom was like: WTH are you doing? laugh out loud


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Post by Guest Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:39 pm

GuardianAngel wrote:Ben brought someone home to meet his parents? I don't remember who it was, or if it was even on his season? laugh out loud but I'm pretty sure he did and it wasn't Lauren.
I thought it was Lauren bc jojo got to the baseball field date and Lauren got the hometown tour date

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Post by Luvstruck Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:39 pm

I know it was the twin Hayley who he let go at the end of the date. Was just pointing out that date could have had more meaning.

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:42 pm

I totally forgot about Emily meeting his parents.

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Post by sdmom Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:43 pm

GuardianAngel wrote:Ben brought someone home to meet his parents? I don't remember who it was, or if it was even on his season? laugh out loud but I'm pretty sure he did and it wasn't Lauren.
The twins?

I think TPTB's trick is working because some are now questioning if Raven is f1?of course anything is possible, but nothing on sm, either pre or after filming, imo, suggests Raven is f1.

ETA: from the f1-f3 discussion thread, here's a good summary post filming:

Catdwoman50 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].  Yes, there has been some sleuthing for SHV and watching their feet so to speak.  We have been comparing that vs. Raven's. Check out Vanessa's earlier threads.  The first ones which we thought weren't that obvious - Nick posting cooking italian food (too much for 1 person we thought, etc - before orange couch gate happened).  Then someone posts, "Dad spots Vanessa at Montreal airport" (IG), same time we see Nick posts a selfie in a plane (see airplane vents in background).  Soon after that Italian food cooking and an extra "foot" shows up in the IG story (indicates more than just Nick).  Meanwhile - N&V gets quiet for a couple of days just food cooking pics by Nick.  Then Orange Couch Gate.  After couch date, when someone on IG said that they were sitting on same couch, they have been a bit more careful with the simultaneous IG postings and seem to make an effort (especially this last one) to show that they are out with friends. But they still need to break the pattern of a couple of days quiet, then they both resurface.

Raven on the other hand was busy posting IGs with her dog, with cousins, friends and Uncle (during these supposedly SHV visits).  

So maybe not proof but enough to tickle the Nick fans.

Also, preseason sleuth found Raven back to sm on 11/20 but Nick didn't return to US until 11/23 and Vaness back to sm on 11/25.


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Post by GuardianAngel Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:43 pm

Ben picked up Emily in a boat and drove her across the lake to his family home. After showing her around the house and his childhood bedroom, Ben surprised Emily by bring out his parents.

Poor Emily was so excited and anxious not to make “an idiot out of herself.” She sat down individually with Ben’s mom and dad, and she did her best to “pull out all the stops” … but unfortunately, the conversations were just the tiniest bit cringe-worthy.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Good point. It was a fun date. IMO Raven was the one to take on a date like that, she clearly likes to have fun and as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] pointed out, it was her turn. I actually liked that date.


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Post by Guest Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:49 pm

Yea it's nice to meet the parents but I think the more personal dates are better. I think those dates are between raven and Vanessa.

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Post by Sprite Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:54 pm

cmarci93 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] yes remember Whitney when she won the group date challenge at the track and field.

Lara wrote:Haha, that was Astrid! People always confuse the two.

Thanks. That one was even less romantic than the one with Danielle M. It was almost like a joke...in the middle of the field with everyone watching.

Really a lack of hot tubs this season. Maybe more were filmed but not shown...like Raven's. Perhaps they will make up for it during FDs.


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Post by Guest Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:59 pm

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cmarci93 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] yes remember Whitney when she won the group date challenge at the track and field.

Lara wrote:Haha, that was Astrid! People always confuse the two.

Thanks. That one was even less romantic than the one with Danielle M. It was almost like a joke...in the middle of the field with everyone watching.

Really a lack of hot tubs this season. Maybe more were filmed but not shown...like Raven's. Perhaps they will make up for it during FDs.

Yea it was a odd hot tub date , she jumped in the hot tub with her workout leggings..
I hope there is a hot tub in Finland, I don't even know why nick is proposing in a freezing place. What is the girls going to wear in the snow?

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