Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

bleuberry wrote:No shade to him but I honestly don't think sex means a whole lot to him - or that it means he's in love or committed. I tend to believe the rumour that he's 'jumped the sack' with 5 or so women from Bach nation and likely a few not from the show (shocker I know ). I imagine he'll test out quite a few of his 25 women too, there's a reason Nick was picked and I can't imagine they're wanting to continue his good guy redemption story.

Who would the 5 be? Andi, Kaitlyn, Jen are given. JoJo??!

He seems to get along with basically everyone excluding Josh Murray. I know people IRL that know him and like him. He's a good guy. Yeah, he probably sleeps around like most of the folks in this franchise.

I just seriously never saw him as a villian. Not when he called Andi out, not when he slept with Kaitlyn before FS during TOG years (it was KAITLYN'S suggestion after months of phone sex build up.) As TOG, I actually thought he handled the whole thing maturely and like a man. The double rejection on national tv had to be SO HUMILIATING, but he sucked it up and dealt with it. So yeah, I don't get the BIP redemption. Redemption from what? The witty, charasmatic, intelligent and friendly person being showcased on BIP is the Nick I've always seen.

Yeah, I don't have any issue at all with what went down on the Nick 1.0 ATFR.
I try not to look at things male/female. I would have been ok with what he said male/female.
I think MEandI is a waste of protoplasm. JMOAA.

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:If I were him, I'd end my edit on a positive note (on BIP), because tptb are for sure gonna make him look like the sleaziest azz on his season IMO. Oh well. Take chances and all that!

Maybe or maybe not. Even if that happens, he'll come out of this ok. He's got enough family and friends supporting him to help him through this tiring process when it's all over. Imo

I felt bad for Nick on Andi's ATFR rose too (and Kaitlyn's) (Man they both acted like insensitive azzholes IMO), but he really shouldn't have done those stupid azz letters in the first place IMO. I've also called out his hypocrisy and will continue to call out his hypocrisy with the whole sleeping with "Andi and Kaitlyn" situations. He claimed to not like that Andi slept with him because she wasn't in love with him, but he had no problem sleeping with Kaitlyn when she obviously wasn't in love with him (on their first date.) He talked out of both sides of his mouth in those situations! IMO.

Duke702 wrote:**edited** I guess we will see what her reaction is to on After Paradise, maybe.

Anyways, is Nick at the Bachelor mansion right now? Kind of looked like it on his instagram story from the pool.

I'm trying to think the best of all involved but I tend to agree with you Duke. The latest tweets from Jen and Lauren seem like an inside way of expressing their distaste for Nick's lack of open communication about his new lead role.  But, who knows? Maybe Jen really does love pizza. Josh sure seemed too.

Lauren Himle @jennifersaviano  ILYSM

Lauren Himle @jennifersaviano  also...What are your passions

Jennifer Saviano @laurenMhimle  communication is so important. Also, pizza.

Lauren Himle @jennifersaviano  for every single meal

Jubilee Sharpe @jennifersaviano @laurenMhimle. haha! (insider)

I will still hope the best for all involved. And cross my fingers for AP on Tuesday.

[quote="sosleepy"]Am I the only one that felt bad for him on ATFR with Andi? Yeah, he sold her out, but with how she was treating him, ice cold, mean, shut off... She painted him into a corner. I never cared about that, almost kind of cheered him on. Never saw him as a villian for that.
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Nope. I felt bad for him at ATFR too. He looked like a broken man. And I will always believe if MeAndi had, even if fake, shown one ounce of compassion, and had not been so cold and b*tchy, he wouldn't have said it. JMO

quietpal wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:If I were him, I'd end my edit on a positive note (on BIP), because tptb are for sure gonna make him look like the sleaziest azz on his season IMO. Oh well. Take chances and all that!

Maybe or maybe not. Even if that happens, he'll come out of this ok. He's got enough family and friends supporting him to help him through this tiring process when it's all over. Imo

I agree. But I'm sure it felt real niceeeee that everyone loved him on BIP. And then to go back to hate, it's gonna suck IMO.

I liked Nick on Andi's season, oddly because looking back now, he was not that cute and is now hotter. But then when he showed up on Kaitlyn's season I couldn't stand him, and thought it was SOO annoying how he took over the whole season and their were so many episodes dedicated to him and Shawn fighting. And the sleeping with Kaitlyn when so many guys were left was icky/disrespectful imo. It was boring and I got sick of it. I just think he's a fame whore though now. Usually the people who have done this many shows get made fun of. Like what are they going to promote his career as? Professional Bachelor contestant? I saw them saying "software salesman" but he hasn't been doing that in La so they better not say that.

I too felt horrible for Nick on Andi's ATFR and Kaitlyn's near proposal. Reading his body language made it clear to me that he was incredibly nervous and on the edge of tears both times. He was visibly shaking when speaking with Andi. If he was faking it, he has more talent then most professional actors.

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:
I agree. But I'm sure it felt real niceeeee that everyone loved him on BIP. And then to go back to hate, it's gonna suck IMO.

It won't suck as much if he finds the one in the end who's willing to go through this sucky process with him.

Kaitlyn's season was a TOTAL snoozer until Nick showed up. Even then, still a snoozer, but he breathed the little life into that season that it had. Without him, Shawn had the thing on TOTAL lockdown, no one else compared. And I'm sorry, the whole TOG vs. Shawn thing? Nick was TRYING to diffuse the situation the entire time. SHAWN is the one who ramped that one up, made it a huge freaking deal and turned it into what it became, not Nick.

Duke702 wrote:I liked Nick on Andi's season, oddly because looking back now, he was not that cute and is now hotter. But then when he showed up on Kaitlyn's season I couldn't stand him, and thought it was SOO annoying how he took over the whole season and their were so many episodes dedicated to him and Shawn fighting. And the sleeping with Kaitlyn when so many guys were left was icky/disrespectful imo. It was boring and I got sick of it. I just think he's a fame whore though now. Usually the people who have done this many shows get made fun of. Like what are they going to promote his career as? Professional Bachelor contestant? I saw them saying "software salesman" but he hasn't been doing that in La so they better not say that.

Per the bolded:
This has nothing to do with Nick and everything to do with what the desired edit was and was shown by TPTB.
I seriously doubt Nick was privy to the storyboard. I do not believe Nick was privy to the editing. Nor do I believe Nick was aware of the editing prior to televised viewing.
So what was shown to the audience and when it was shown, was equally new to Nick as it was to "us". He had nothing to do with what we saw and was not aware of what film or storyboard was available for any other cast, either for that matter.
In other words, he played the cards he was dealt and was not privy to how it was going to be portrayed. I don't think he has that much power over TPTB--JMOAA.
As far as being sleeping with K being "icky and disrespectful", I don't know what to say. Most people don't do a survey ahead of time, before they have sexual intercourse as to public opinion. I know I personally do not.
In his mind, it was the right thing for him spontaneously, as it would probably be for any other person, IMO.
I think personally, having sexual intercourse is not very cerebral as far as thinking it out vs following our hearts and hopefully taking "precautions" at the very most. JMOAA>