The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - Epi 9 - July 25th - FS - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Ladybug82 wrote: Lex!  

Yes, same girl!  But I mean in real life, away from the cameras, just them where they each know where they stand and what they want.  Maybe then she'll be a little more calm and cool.  

Who am I kidding?  BBJ is gonna have his hands full, but I think he enjoys seeing her get all riled up and helping smooth out her feathers. I think if they truly want to make it work and it's not all for show and advancement of careers, then they have a shot at it.  She's gonna continue to make him work for it and he'll have to continually spew words of affirmation, and work to calm, soothe and reel her back in some.

JMO

When has she made him work for anything? To me it seems the other way around. She is always looking at him longingly and he just seems to tolerate it...kind of like he is indulging her for the time being.

Sprite wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote: Lex!  

Yes, same girl!  But I mean in real life, away from the cameras, just them where they each know where they stand and what they want.  Maybe then she'll be a little more calm and cool.  

Who am I kidding?  BBJ is gonna have his hands full, but I think he enjoys seeing her get all riled up and helping smooth out her feathers. I think if they truly want to make it work and it's not all for show and advancement of careers, then they have a shot at it.  She's gonna continue to make him work for it and he'll have to continually spew words of affirmation, and work to calm, soothe and reel her back in some.

JMO

When has she made him work for anything? To me it seems the other way around. She is always looking at him longingly and he just seems to tolerate it...kind of like he is indulging her for the time being.

Well for him to put up with her, she questions him all the time.

nd4reality wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:^ Irregardless, I really don't get the vibe that JoJo is a cold heartless biotch. She obviously cared for the guys, for however long she spent time with them/got to know them/etc. Yes, she was doing her job, like every other lead..but she still cared about the situation. She didn't treat anyone like the gum beneath her stilettos.

IMO.

though some have treated the contestsnts like crap. Jojo certainly has not. she has been impressive in that regard. and imo has given them a chance while doing right by her.


the heart wants what it wants.
Jmo.

Totally agree with both.  Jojo has done a great job and it didn't take away her kindness or caring nature. And it's clear who she wanted from day 1 (or even before it) so though not a "couple" I'm into, it's who she wanted so what can ya do.

Sprite wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote: Lex!  

Yes, same girl!  But I mean in real life, away from the cameras, just them where they each know where they stand and what they want.  Maybe then she'll be a little more calm and cool.  

Who am I kidding?  BBJ is gonna have his hands full, but I think he enjoys seeing her get all riled up and helping smooth out her feathers. I think if they truly want to make it work and it's not all for show and advancement of careers, then they have a shot at it.  She's gonna continue to make him work for it and he'll have to continually spew words of affirmation, and work to calm, soothe and reel her back in some.

JMO

When has she made him work for anything? To me it seems the other way around. She is always looking at him longingly and he just seems to tolerate it...kind of like he is indulging her for the time being.

But the difference to me between indulging her and working for her is how she's acting in the relationship with him and what she's asking. Which Ette was begging the guy and wondering if he would "date" her after the show? Ash and Bentley maybe? Jo is the very opposite of that imo. Yeah, she's let him know through her actions that he's f1 (imo), but she's asking for not just a lot in return, but pretty much the world in return.

Before even a 1:1, she's called him on the carpet to start telling her that he's falling in love with her, that he's serious, and her needs/commitment from him have only intensified as the season has gone on. If he was tolerating her, I imagine she'd feel it and would be happy with some small token of affection or commitment, and would start holding herself back not to spook him. Instead of holding herself back as time progresses though, she's pushing for more and more from him, and he's giving it to her and working harder than any man there. That's far, far, far beyond indulging to me.

Indulging would be putting up with her clinginess and not giving her much back in return, and maybe he'd be cool with that too, as it would certainly be easier, but that's not what's going on. So if anything, she has made this all the hardest on him than on anyone else from my seat, and instead of bailing, he's stepping up to the challenge and meeting her at each new goal post she's setting. Now we're up to "I wouldn't get engaged if it's not forever, I will prove it to you." Imo, that's him working and reaching for her, albeit in a different way than she does with him.

Alanna wrote:

Sprite wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote: Lex!  

Yes, same girl!  But I mean in real life, away from the cameras, just them where they each know where they stand and what they want.  Maybe then she'll be a little more calm and cool.  

Who am I kidding?  BBJ is gonna have his hands full, but I think he enjoys seeing her get all riled up and helping smooth out her feathers. I think if they truly want to make it work and it's not all for show and advancement of careers, then they have a shot at it.  She's gonna continue to make him work for it and he'll have to continually spew words of affirmation, and work to calm, soothe and reel her back in some.

JMO

When has she made him work for anything? To me it seems the other way around. She is always looking at him longingly and he just seems to tolerate it...kind of like he is indulging her for the time being.

But the difference to me between indulging her and working for her is how she's acting in the relationship with him and what she's asking. Which Ette was begging the guy and wondering if he would "date" her after the show? Ash and Bentley maybe? Jo is the very opposite of that imo. Yeah, she's let him know through her actions that he's f1 (imo), but she's asking for not just a lot in return, but pretty much the world in return.

Before even a 1:1, she's called him on the carpet to start telling her that he's falling in love with her, that he's serious, and her needs/commitment from him have only intensified as the season has gone on. If he was tolerating her, I imagine she'd feel it and would be happy with some small token of affection or commitment, and would start holding herself back not to spook him. Instead of holding herself back as time progresses though, she's pushing for more and more from him, and he's giving it to her and working harder than any man there. That's far, far, far beyond indulging to me.

Indulging would be putting up with her clinginess and not giving her much back in return, and maybe he'd be cool with that too, as it would certainly be easier, but that's not what's going on. So if anything, she has made this all the hardest on him than on anyone else from my seat, and instead of bailing, he's stepping up to the challenge and meeting her at each new goal post she's setting. Now we're up to "I wouldn't get engaged if it's not forever, I will prove it to you." Imo, that's him working and reaching for her, albeit in a different way than she does with him.

Well, I guess our perspectives are different.

What you see as her demanding that he works for her, I see as an insecure girl whining for his attention.

What you see as him stepping up his game, I see as him doing what he has to stay in the game.

She has made this the hardest for him, because she could care less about anyone else and they all know it.

All I see is her hanging all over him, making puppy eyes while his eyes are shifting all over the place. She is demanding stuff because she feels insecure and the voices in her head are telling her to run, but her hormones just want to jump him.

For me, Jordan is to JoJo like she is to Luke. Attracted, likes her because...well, she is the only game in town...but, if this was his season, I doubt she would be his pick. Players gotta play and I bet he will. Where is Clint when I need him...or Chad?

Sprite wrote:

Alanna wrote:

Sprite wrote:

When has she made him work for anything? To me it seems the other way around. She is always looking at him longingly and he just seems to tolerate it...kind of like he is indulging her for the time being.

But the difference to me between indulging her and working for her is how she's acting in the relationship with him and what she's asking. Which Ette was begging the guy and wondering if he would "date" her after the show? Ash and Bentley maybe? Jo is the very opposite of that imo. Yeah, she's let him know through her actions that he's f1 (imo), but she's asking for not just a lot in return, but pretty much the world in return.

Before even a 1:1, she's called him on the carpet to start telling her that he's falling in love with her, that he's serious, and her needs/commitment from him have only intensified as the season has gone on. If he was tolerating her, I imagine she'd feel it and would be happy with some small token of affection or commitment, and would start holding herself back not to spook him. Instead of holding herself back as time progresses though, she's pushing for more and more from him, and he's giving it to her and working harder than any man there. That's far, far, far beyond indulging to me.

Indulging would be putting up with her clinginess and not giving her much back in return, and maybe he'd be cool with that too, as it would certainly be easier, but that's not what's going on. So if anything, she has made this all the hardest on him than on anyone else from my seat, and instead of bailing, he's stepping up to the challenge and meeting her at each new goal post she's setting. Now we're up to "I wouldn't get engaged if it's not forever, I will prove it to you." Imo, that's him working and reaching for her, albeit in a different way than she does with him.

Well, I guess our perspectives are different.

What you see as her demanding that he works for her, I see as an insecure girl whining for his attention.

What you see as him stepping up his game, I see as him doing what he has to stay in the game.

She has made this the hardest for him, because she could care less about anyone else and they all know it.

All I see is her hanging all over him, making puppy eyes while his eyes are shifting all over the place. She is demanding stuff because she feels insecure and the voices in her head are telling her to run, but her hormones just want to jump him.

For me, Jordan is to JoJo like she is to Luke. Attracted, likes her because...well, she is the only game in town...but, if this was his season, I doubt she would be his pick. Players gotta play and I bet he will. Where is Clint when I need him...or Chad?

Sprite, beautifully stated. ICAM. You nailed it!

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pavalygurl wrote:

Sprite wrote:
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Well, I guess our perspectives are different.

What you see as her demanding that he works for her, I see as an insecure girl whining for his attention.

What you see as him stepping up his game, I see as him doing what he has to stay in the game.

She has made this the hardest for him, because she could care less about anyone else and they all know it.

All I see is her hanging all over him, making puppy eyes while his eyes are shifting all over the place. She is demanding stuff because she feels insecure and the voices in her head are telling her to run, but her hormones just want to jump him.

For me, Jordan is to JoJo like she is to Luke. Attracted, likes her because...well, she is the only game in town...but, if this was his season, I doubt she would be his pick. Players gotta play and I bet he will. Where is Clint when I need him...or Chad?

Sprite, beautifully stated.  ICAM.  You nailed it!

Yep, ITA2.

ForeverLove wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

Sprite wrote:
**snip***
Well, I guess our perspectives are different.

What you see as her demanding that he works for her, I see as an insecure girl whining for his attention.

What you see as him stepping up his game, I see as him doing what he has to stay in the game.

She has made this the hardest for him, because she could care less about anyone else and they all know it.

All I see is her hanging all over him, making puppy eyes while his eyes are shifting all over the place. She is demanding stuff because she feels insecure and the voices in her head are telling her to run, but her hormones just want to jump him.

For me, Jordan is to JoJo like she is to Luke. Attracted, likes her because...well, she is the only game in town...but, if this was his season, I doubt she would be his pick. Players gotta play and I bet he will. Where is Clint when I need him...or Chad?

Sprite, beautifully stated.  ICAM.  You nailed it!

Yep, ITA2

DITTO

HEA wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

Sprite, beautifully stated.  ICAM.  You nailed it!

Yep, ITA2

DITTO

I ditto her DITTO

hopelessly_devoted wrote:

HEA wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:


Yep, ITA2

DITTO

I ditto her DITTO

And I ditto both of these!!

Good post @Sprite. I totally agree. During Ben's season, she showed very little emotion IMO. She was just performing to get to the end. She has done pretty much the same from day one on her own season, except when she's with Jordan. The rest of her acting abilities, are IMO a joke. Her breakdown on the tarmac is right up there with collapsing on the hallway floor ala Ali. She is suddenly missing Luke as soon as he drives off, couldn't be further from the truth IMO.

If she indeed let Robby get down on one knee before letting him go, IMO she'll experience the same backlash as Ashley /DeAnna especially when it's obvious she had no intention of choosing anyone other than Jordan.

If they JoJo and her spoiled F1 are together, and they are happy that's all that matters, however they really should start sending some of the leads to acting classes.