The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #4

agentcurls wrote:
Hi @HEA, I found that FRC preview with all the VOs to be misleading (frankenbites). 
When I listened very closely with headphones, this is what I came up with:

agentcurls wrote:FRC preview: green=words came out of mouth/red=VO


"I fell in love with you (facing him/hair in the face)
and I still love you, but (two hand hold)
what you did to me (facing him)
it's not right. (one hand hold)
but I want you to know (stroking underside of his arm)
that it's really hard for me  (facing him but mouth is blocked)
to not accept this (two hand hold)
love." (wiping hair away from face)

Other possible interpretations: without frankenbites

To her F2: 
"I fell in love with you, and I still love you...(blah blah blah other words...) but I want you to know that it's really hard for me to not accept this love."

To her F1 or additional F2:
"What you did to me.....(blah blah blah, more words).....love..."

What she is saying to a producer:
"I just said good bye to a man that I... love...it's not right."


*Also, I think the solo sunset walk with the bracelet worn is a red herring. 

welcome @agentcurls  

first wanted to tell you that I was a lurker on the un-spoiled and enjoyed to read you, as well as the other ladies. It happened most of the time when I was so unsure about a situation. It was very refreshing to read you all.

Second. I am committed in #TheRedZone next season. I think it will allow me to just share crazy possibilities and work as a teamwork on them, dissect them, get rid of most probably and just have fun. That is something I'm truly thrilled about. I was truly impressed how everyone were.

third. I am still wondering what she is holding in her hand when she is crying on top of the hill (tabloid or scrapbook). I am still wondering why we have this sunset walk with the thin bracelet messing her dress on the wet sand. I am still wondering why she looked so sedated when she said: I found it with a man who did not love me the way I said I wanted to be loved. It seems to be the undying love gift from robby (since she is saying no, is crying and is all dress up clean for a proposal) but did you guys figured it out?

Fourth. I am not sure they added a day off between each FS. Ali F said that those were taped back to back. And it makes sense as IMO for them time = $$.

@GuardianAngel shared a fantastic clue about infos regarding the pictures shared (jordan and robby walking to the altar) and identified that those pictures were taken May 12 within 1h07m apart

ETA: if the pictures were set with LA.... then FRC was done May 13 in Phuket... (thanks to Grace for pointing this!)

On camerasummary, I could verify that the time was indeed Los Angeles. So I went checking Phuket time when those pictures were taken to see if the FRC were taped at sunset or close to sunset and they were obviously not but mid-day. (I am thinking since it was a cloudy day -balcony with jordan with his RC suit on-, and since may is the wettest month in phuket -18days-, I think they could not tape the ceremony at sunset or they may did not take any chances because of possible rain - Source)

ROBBY


JORDAN



therefore we are far from the sunset walk with her bracelet and messing her FRC on the wet sand which is around 6:35pm.

i would like to include this sunset path with the FRC (minor detail, the slit is not on the right as when she walked the stairs and standing on top of the hill, so we have to mirror her path, so I am thinking she walked from the stairs/rocks to the other direction). So establishing that the time found by GA is the right time the picture were taken then it was mid-day, far from sunset...

1. If it was taped after FRC and she accepted Jordan's proposal... she should be over the moon happy. She is clearly not (and this could match the sedated jojo on her ITM).
2. If the segment was taped the day after to fill in the story, then why at sunset. I cannot believe that they would think it would make sense just to look pretty. To fit the script that she hesitated until the last minute, they would tape her walking on daylight.
3. If it was taped before FRC, then it cannot be the previous day with the same dress

My last question is the segment when she goes crying between the 2 buddas. If we look at the sky, is looks like it is more white with some pink reflection on her dress and the buddha face. Jordan's sky is white and Robby's sky is way bluer (you can see the different sky on the abc website). So I wonder if this segment was done at the end of FRC. We do not see her crying, we see her walking away with no shoes... the same way she is walking at sunset with no shoes on the wet sand. So is it possible that even if she said ILY to jordan, it is just a decoy for us to believe she accepted his proposal and she ended alone instead?


My scap from recorded TV

For me when she says: what you did to me... is just a way how she felt good with him (robby), the VO added is the conversation she had with jordan about not asking her dad's blessing. #Frankenbites

However, I am very interested to know why on ITM she looks sedated when she says,on her FRC dress with possible hair extension: I found it (love) with a man that will not be able to love me the way I said I wanted to be loved.

THAT for me is key to determine if she accepted Jordan's proposal.

EVERYTHING on this post is my opinion, my speculations TY

@HEA you have brought up some good questions as you have in the past.  Will we ever know the answers?  Maybe, maybe not.

SLA44 wrote:@HEA you have brought up some good questions as you have in the past.  Will we ever know the answers?  Maybe, maybe not.

probably later this year but I won't know since I am forbidding myself to read any tabloids to remain un-spoiled for next season. So they better share the full story before they announce the next bach.

HEA wrote:

SLA44 wrote:@HEA you have brought up some good questions as you have in the past.  Will we ever know the answers?  Maybe, maybe not.

probably later this year but I won't know since I am forbidding myself to read any tabloids to remain un-spoiled for next season. So they better share the full story before they announce the next bach.

I don't think they ever share the full story on this franchise. 

SLA44 wrote:

HEA wrote:

SLA44 wrote:@HEA you have brought up some good questions as you have in the past.  Will we ever know the answers?  Maybe, maybe not.

probably later this year but I won't know since I am forbidding myself to read any tabloids to remain un-spoiled for next season. So they better share the full story before they announce the next bach.

I don't think they ever share the full story on this franchise. 

maybe years later when they are no longer under contract like Ali and DeAnna and all the others. That will be interesting just to know how they edited the season to know her side of the story.

Question time: How long do the couples have alone time in the fantasy suite? Have any past cast members said? Is it 7 hours? 8 hours?

Brace yourselves. Here come the start of the SM posts from the rags re RS latest. Just saw 3 on FB alone.

Higgs13 wrote:Brace yourselves. Here come the start of the SM posts from the rags re RS latest. Just saw 3 on FB alone.

What latest? What did they say?

^ Nothing new and no major magazine has published anything. It's coming from places like inquisitr, which essentially anyone can write for. They're taking what RS has said. She's either already dumped him and if not they've had a bumpy relationship because of the rumors.

What Ash said. Nothing new but lots of wild comments off of what RS said.

I think Jo and BBJ are in a SH visit as I type. ;). People magazine shoot should come out within a week or right after finale.

Me thinks RS will be eating crow comes Monday night. By all indications, jordelle is going strong IMO.