The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #4

soccermom333 wrote:^^^all editing.  Just wait for the finale and watch it all play  out. ;)

3 days right?

 Hi, @agentcurls! I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed posting WITH YOU   and the rest of the unspoiled as well. I learned so much seeing how both you and the others broke down the edit. Yes, a disappointing outcome for me (Oh, what could have been with Chase! ), but such a memorable and great experience with you guys! This is a season I'll remember...in spite of the outcome. Still gonna drink my Dark Horse wine Monday night.

agentcurls wrote:Hi everyone

It's been awesome on the UNSPOILED SIDE, but I am raising my white flag and officially over this season and all-typed-out. But wanted to add some "LIKES" on many of the comments here on the SPOILED side.

This season has been a doozy, but ready to go UNPSOILED again next season. I highly recommend.

I have really missed you all!

Ahh welcome AC!!! I missed you! Glad to see you!

It has been fun being a voyeur this season and watching, reading and waiting for where you all were going to take things next. Good job all.

Litta123 wrote:  Hi, @agentcurls! I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed posting WITH YOU   and the rest of the unspoiled as well. I learned so much seeing how both you and the others broke down the edit. Yes, a disappointing outcome for me (Oh, what could have been with Chase! ), but such a memorable and great experience with you guys! This is a season I'll remember...in spite of the outcome. Still gonna drink my Dark Horse wine Monday night.

Cheers to that, @Litta123! That Dark Horse wine sure sounds delicious! 

Even being UNSPOILED, I found it rather difficult to stay objective. And tptb are getting even more savvy season after season with the tricky editing, that's for sure. It was a GREAT experience and the only thing that would make it even better is to have more of you come aboard the UNSPOILED train.

@agentcurls It was great to see so many more than last season participating, but there's always room for many more!

Looking from the outside, it truly was exciting to read all the findings!

#SleuthingRules !

HEA wrote:Everyone noticed in the sneak peek that momma jojo is wearing turquoise dress with jordan and a sky blue with robby.

so when she is wearing her turquoise dress and say to jojo something about jordan (tabloid spoilers say it is: player or too smooth), jojo reaction was immediate. She went on defensive mode:

jojo: what do you mean?
mom: just hear me out...

When her dad started to talk about trust and probably what she said she wanted in a husband... marriage, kids, etc ... she started to cry... she was not over the top happy and excited and thrilled about the perspective to marry any of the guy... she cried... again.

Robby is offering her everything on a platter. Yet, it is not him she wanted.

JOJO: I found it (love) with a man that could not love me the way I said I wanted to be loved

JOJO: What you did to me is not right

This crying thing is truly playing on my nerves now.  

Hi @HEA, I found that FRC preview with all the VOs to be misleading (frankenbites). 
When I listened very closely with headphones, this is what I came up with:

agentcurls wrote:FRC preview: green=words came out of mouth/red=VO


"I fell in love with you (facing him/hair in the face)
and I still love you, but (two hand hold)
what you did to me (facing him)
it's not right. (one hand hold)
but I want you to know (stroking underside of his arm)
that it's really hard for me  (facing him but mouth is blocked)
to not accept this (two hand hold)
love." (wiping hair away from face)

Other possible interpretations: without frankenbites

To her F2: 
"I fell in love with you, and I still love you...(blah blah blah other words...) but I want you to know that it's really hard for me to not accept this love."

To her F1 or additional F2:
"What you did to me.....(blah blah blah, more words).....love..."

What she is saying to a producer:
"I just said good bye to a man that I... love...it's not right."


*Also, I think the solo sunset walk with the bracelet worn is a red herring. 

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hopelessly_devoted wrote:

agentcurls wrote:

Litta123 wrote:  Hi, @agentcurls! I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed posting WITH YOU   and the rest of the unspoiled as well. I learned so much seeing how both you and the others broke down the edit. Yes, a disappointing outcome for me (Oh, what could have been with Chase! ), but such a memorable and great experience with you guys! This is a season I'll remember...in spite of the outcome. Still gonna drink my Dark Horse wine Monday night.

Cheers to that, @Litta123! That Dark Horse wine sure sounds delicious! 

Even being UNSPOILED, I found it rather difficult to stay objective. And tptb are getting even more savvy season after season with the tricky editing, that's for sure. It was a GREAT experience and the only thing that would make it even better is to have more of you come aboard the UNSPOILED train.

A couple of us who hangout a lot in Luke's fan thread are already committed to going UNSPOILED for The Bachelor! #TheRedZone

I was u spoiled for the first I think it was 4 episodes till one of the spoiled members posted there by mistake. . However I could tell clear as day who the f1 was likely to be. Possibly the f3 also. In my mind the f2 and f4  were switched around TBH. the editors have not been sneaky in recent seasons. There are some common editing treads  that we uncovered a few seasosn back and they have stuck with that pretty closely.
Jmo.

But it would be very interesting to have more folks actively sleuth on that side.
TBH I preferred Sleuthing unspoiled on JaunPs season because that season we had spoiled folks bring Some SM ( like travel sightings etc) and other articles and backdrop across for us. Which is actually a huge part of the puzzle.
Bottom Line I just wish RS and his stuff could be far away with his spoilers and opinions. . I miss the old days.
Jmo.

Welcome back to the spoiled zone, Litta & AC. I enjoyed checking in occasionally so see what you were up to. I'm always spoiled because it's too hard for me as a mod but I usually only know the f4 so don't know who's going home from week to week. I miss most of the sleuthing here so would check out the unspoiled threads to see what you've come up with and highly enjoyed reading them. Kudos to all the of sleuthers in the unspoiled section who did such a great job.

agentcurls wrote:

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Hi @HEA, I found that FRC preview with all the VOs to be misleading (frankenbites). 
When I listened very closely with headphones, this is what I came up with:

agentcurls wrote:FRC preview: green=words came out of mouth/red=VO


"I fell in love with you (facing him/hair in the face)
and I still love you, but (two hand hold)
what you did to me (facing him)
it's not right. (one hand hold)
but I want you to know (stroking underside of his arm)
that it's really hard for me  (facing him but mouth is blocked)
to not accept this (two hand hold)
love." (wiping hair away from face)

Other possible interpretations: without frankenbites

To her F2: 
"I fell in love with you, and I still love you...(blah blah blah other words...) but I want you to know that it's really hard for me to not accept this love."

To her F1 or additional F2:
"What you did to me.....(blah blah blah, more words).....love..."

What she is saying to a producer:
"I just said good bye to a man that I... love...it's not right."


*Also, I think the solo sunset walk with the bracelet worn is a red herring. 

This is awesome work! Thanks @agentcurls

Hi Agent!  I missed posting with you. 

I was unspoiled for half of the season or so and spoiled for the rest of it. (Becoming spoiled was my own fault because I went looking for something I thought would be harmless). 

Anyway, I agree with ND and I agree with AC. Sleuthing unspoiled was important to me to get to "know" the guys without bias so I could form my own opinions. But I missed or would've missed the "extra stuff" such as: JoJo's and CH's interviews immediately after filming, the extra previews from the various mags and sites, the eliminated guys interviews, the MTA interviews, Sharleen's blog, AfterBuzz, Jo's fashion info, behind the scenes producer photos from IG, and info like this season's Aaron stuff. For me personally, these are necessary or important to the big picture. So I'm not sure what I'll do next season.

An important piece of the puzzle was withheld from the other side that I personally didn't agree should be. I do understand the rule and why it wasn't shared, but from a sleuthing perspective and experiencing both sides in the same season, I think an exception should've been made with the real life photos and Google Earth SCs of the FRC location found by Mr. Write and (I'm so sorry but I cannot remember who). The photos did not give anything whatsoever away but had they been shared, could've eliminated SO MUCH precious time of unimportant, and somewhat useless sleuthing, spinning of wheels and discussion that frankly, could've been spent on the many other questions. 

All of this is just my opinion but I honestly would've felt angry coming back over to realize ALL of the time consuming discussion, reading, not to mention energy about two different locations could've been nearly completely answered with one quick post. 

Mods I know you do a beyond fantastic job on the boards and I don't mean any disrespect, but I think any similar situation in the future, should be shared as a one-off. I didn't intend this post to be a rant, I hope it doesn't come across that way, I only just remembered this as I was getting my thoughts down.