The Bachelorette 12 - JoJo Fletcher - S/Caps - SM - Sleuthing - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #2

bronco18 wrote:I have found the location of Alex's 1-1. It is at Estancia El Ombu de Areco which is NW of Buenos Aires.

Top photo was taken from Disney ABC press release here

Bottom photo was taken from Tripadvisor here



Knowing the location of this date may give us insight on other date locations for sleuthing.

FWIW, here it is on the map so we can see where in relation to BA it is.

Thanks @Aunties_Love

MiaHawk noticed something interesting on the unspoiled side. There's a tree or something in this cap where it shouldn't be if they are on that platform by the beach. It's to our left of Jo.


my s/c

grace8136 wrote:MiaHawk noticed something interesting on the unspoiled side. There's a tree or something in this cap where it shouldn't be if they are on that platform by the beach. It's to our left of Jo.


my s/c

Hmmmm, wonder what it is. If you look at the pics and not the video itself, it's sort of clear to see that the background was edited in the "shoulder guy" scenes. It was dulled and blurred out, so you can't really tell what time of day it was or clearly see the background.

The only reason I could see them trying to blur the background of her breaking up with her final two is because it doesn't happen at the final rose ceremony spot and they don't want us to know that. So does she dump Robby before that and if so why is he wearing a suit? Things that make me go hmmmm....

^^ IA, the background has been photoshopped quite a bit with shoulder guy so they are probably hiding something there. With the cap that I think is Robby's hand, you can see some gray and green between his arm and jacket. That could be the little out cropping at the right end of the beach, but it looks a little green. Aren't the F1 and F2 generally shown on different sides?


my cap


Litta's S/C

I know I've mentioned this multiple times but this may explain my theory that there is a secondary proposal spot up in the tree line (where you see a shot of her from behind with her dress billowing in the wind)... It reminds me of the set up they have for Thai weddings rather than the flea market looking scene on the beach. The Photoshopping of the background would make sense then!

I went back and had another look at the SC's and that pic Grace posted is the only one with that background with the "tree." It's different from the others, so maybe like BachIsMyGP said above, it was a secondary proposal spot or she walked the guy as far as the trees area and said a final goodbye.

Have they ever had 2 different spots for the F1 and F2?

The shot taken at that angle you can see the red of the rose on the platform and the green between his body and arm is the green casting of a shallow wave in the distance. IMO

Many seasons ago, if anyone remembers the same type thing was suspected with Deanna's FRC with Jason/Jesse. 
The foliage in the backdrop was not identical and several theories were discussed.
It was never fully proven and was said it looked the way it looked was due to camera angle, or props being re-positioned during takes etc. I don't think the real answer ever came to light.

IMO, it was very windy that day. The F2 rejection took place IMO under the trees. They are on top of a little hill above the beach and sea. We can see the sea but we can also see some greenish popping here and there. We can see in this scaps that there is a palm tree and the branches are moving with the wind. IMO those branches moved in the back and this is why we see greenish popping in and out.



my scaps from recorded TV

The place where she is crying is the same place. If you look at the bottom right, you see the same kind of small statue as above


my scaps from recorded TV

We do not see any of similar statue in this setting. In fact nothing reminds me thailand much except maybe the flowers garland. For me it is a very poor and ugly replica. I think we should look at the thailand proposals and see if the first setting has a meaning and used for proposal. IMO, the second setting is a new place. No fishboats with the sails boat at all. those are close to the shore too. The sand is dry and gold versus wet. The wet part is narrow. No palm trees.

Question: why would they need a new place unless they were no longer in Phuket? If they were no longer in Phuket to use the first setting (considering it is rejection F2 proposal), then they must have take a plane to go back to Cali. Buddhism is the main religion in Thailand, therefore we should see buddha representations pretty much everywhere. There is no Buddha in the second setting. We've seen jojo stepping down the long stairs of the Buddha temple. I truly do not think that the prods would avoid a romantic settings with the blessing of Buddha (probably seen with one guy at the Fantasy date 'activity'. I wonder if they will make us think that the second proposal took place in Thailand or not. The little boast floating makes me think: probably

So IMO, it was a bit too complicated for the prods to find some Buddha statues and they made up this cheap setting... in california. The tree on the far right does not look like a palm tree at all to me.


my scaps from recorded TV

So IMO. It is indeed 2 settings. I am thinking that jojo was just not able to accept any proposal, was totally confused to be so upset, needed time to figure it out if she loved F2 as her soul mate or if the other guy F1 was. IMO, it is not coincidence at all last week with CH when he said: that would be ironic (if you loved 2 men). And this is exactly what happened. Except jojo was unable to perform the F1 proposal and it was postponed.

I am not sure how they will play this. Will they try to make us believe that she needed a day reflection and after this long sunset walk she knew what she needed to do. Probably. The main reason is that IMO the dress she is wearing in setting #2 is not the same.

Dress #1, has one slit, 2 layers of material and a gold tolp
Dress #2 has 2 slits, not sure about the layers as it is hard to see but it looks like her top is the same color as the bottom. We can see the sand in between her legs and material in front and material in back. For me it is a different dress.I also think that she may have a low/long dress that covers her a bit more than the very high slit with dress #1. We can see also the difference when she is walling between the 2. IMO




my scaps from recorded TV

Credit to @julychild  for the bracelet in the sunset walk.

For me, this is an after footage rejection in thailand. IMO, this is the part when we will her her voice over saying that she thought she loved him but in fact her true love unicorn was in front of her eyes at all times... OR ..... she decided that she needed more explanation and could not let go rejected guy. I expect prods to end and go back to live audience with the nobody.. then say his dramatic speech and back to the 2nd setting proposal.


my scap from recorded TV

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GUY WITH RINGBOX

I do agree with the already sleuthed hand of GUY A, that it looks like is Jordan. The veins are the same.


my scap from recorded TV


scap shared in the un-spoiled (not allowed to say who but I am not taking credit for it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwx11tE7Zwc

we can clearly see the veins are identical. IMO

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Now. This is where I think Jordan may be F2. The patch of hairs on top of the hand and the blue suit.

Blue suit has also been sleughted that it is the same guy all along as the pleads are identical no matter the angle. (please correct if I am wrong). I do not take credit for that, another lady on this forum on the un-spoiled did, I think.

But the hairs, I usually watch the episode on my PC screen. It is easier for me to do the scaps. But even if it is a HD screen, my TV is way better and larger to see details. Tonight I was watching episode 5 and came across the spa/cucumber segment.... and I found that jordan DO have dark hairs on his hands......

Since the ringbox is IMO 99% Jordan. I wanted to see if the blue suit hand was Jordan.

NOW... I CANNOT confirm it is Jordan's hand or deny it. I am just saying that he has dark hairs.






my scaps from recorded TV

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MAGAZINE IN HAND THE DAY OF FRC

now my other theory may apply... or not. NOONE.if this was already sleughted then big fat appologize.

The day of proposal, right before she was ready to accept it... guess who gave another magazine?? If you look, she is all dressed up, shoes and all. It takes 2 second but she is shaking her head NO and move her hand and this is where I saw this what looks like a mag. So maybe at that point, F2 was already gone. Maybe what she found out was for F1. I am not sure.

But this certainly explain the: WHAT YOU DID TO ME IS NOT RIGHT.

I cannot believe that on that day, she would take the same magazine with her ex-chad. So IMO it is a new one. This could also be a letter from an ex....... which would be more logical since she consider (with reasons) tabloid like 'garbage'. It is also possible that 'her panic attack' and the document she is holds in her hand is the same. but I do not see the dents and I do not see a white color like in her ITM.

My conclusion: the prods played with jojo AGAIN and gave her a magazine right before the 2 proposals. we can see quickly that she says NO with her head BUT she is NOT crying. She visibly looks upset but not devastated. However, she WAS devastated during this ITM and during the rejection. In between she recomposed. It is hard to say since she is under the trees so hard to know where the sun is but her make up looks perfect, she has her shoes on. Could it be that she was going to have a panic attack to reject F2 and was devastated when she read mag and rejected F1?... I need more datas to make up my decision if the mag is F1 or F2 related.



my scaps from recorded TV


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LIVE WITH KELLY

ETA: So what she said in LIVE with Kelly is half right (it is typical to say goodbye to 1 or to 2). And I am certain this was a slip from her part as we all know that out of 20 seasons it is NOT the norm to say goodbye to 2 at the FRC. So yes, she did say goodbye to 2 men IN THAILAND. But the twist is that she said HELLLLOOOOO in California and YES to another proposal (or dating?).

The only video that I felt Jojo uneasy and off was the interview LIVE with Kelly. Every other one she was more composed. IMO it was full improvisation with Kelly or maybe it was one of the first interview or just maybe the way they acted made her panic a little bit? who knows. But here are scaps immediate responses:

At the question: did you leave anybody at the altar. Jojo knew perfectly the meaning of the question but pretended not. This is a trick to give her some time to answer. As soon as she said 'goodbye to two', she realized she said too much and she said mmmm. Lucky for her Fred talk and she laughed nervously. She was lucky that Fred interrupted her because she was in trouble to continue. At each question it is like she is requesting approval to her handler. She is NOT comfortable whatsoever. For me, I think it was the most revealing she ever was in one interview about her ending and actual status: she left Thailand alone... but she is not anymore


Fred: You may fall in love with two guys and tell them that?
Jojo: You know what? I don't know if I would tell them cause I think it was something that throw me off but I definitely think how it is possible


my scap from LIVE with Kelly video

Kelly: did you live anybody at the altar
Jojo: repeating the question as if she did not understand


my scap from LIVE with Kelly video


Jojo: I think the ending is typically 2 people and you need to say goodbye to one or you are saying goodbye to two
Fred Savage: okay. I've never been so confuse in my life.


my scap from LIVE with Kelly video


jojo: I will say that I am happy and i would do it in a heartbeat
Ryan: I knew it. you are NOT engaged!


my scap from LIVE with Kelly video

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So NOONE... or REJECTING GUY A in Thailand and a PROPOSAL GUY B in California? and maybe after her return in california, she got the explaination and decided to change her mind and accept proposal of GUY A... everything is possible.

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Please note that EVERYTHING above is my opinion only. There is no fact. It is just a theory. I also do not want to take credit for somebody else and I will be more than happy to apologize if this is the case. Same goes for me. TY