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Re: Bachelorette 12 - Timeline - Episode - NO SPOILERS - *Sleuthing* NO DISCUSSION
JORDAN:
Case for F1 (episodes 5-7)
JoJo's response to the wall kiss!
The cam angle of the wall kiss/the other guys left in the dust on the other side of the wall
Other guys mentioned Jordan as the clear frontrunner. Jordan has target on his back after Chad's departure
Other guys questioning his intentions (+) casting doubt for F1/ (-) foreshadowing)
Comforting hug f/him after tabloid mess was not aired
Manufactured ex-GF drama and doubt cast on Jordan-was JoJo in cahoots with tptb to save the season?
Redeemable after expressing his past misgivings to JoJo with ex-GF
JoJo "Don't be mad at me." (for bringing up ex-GF stuff...she may overlook his faults)
When Jordan told JoJo he was falling in love with her, she said she felt her heart skip a beat
JoJo narrating a lot about her 1:1 date in Uruguay.."this could be the start of a perfect love story. I feel like this date is straight out of a romantic movie. My date with Jordan was pure magic."
JoJo feels like she can get through tough situations w/Jordan
During tabloid mess when JoJo was addressing the guys she asked Jordan "did you know about this?" and he smiled. It's like they are alone in the room and forgot there were others present.
JoJo believes in "the fairytale" and might discount the Jordan mistrust to achieve it.
JT's producer-driven manipulation to cast doubt on Jordan (F1 throw off?)
JoJo "I think about what my life would be like with you."
Jordan's worries after the JT backtalk "Will JoJo think it's a dealbreaker?"
Jordan's ITM to JoJo "I want to be in love and engaged at the end of this and I think we can get there. I know we're going to get there" (may come full circle?)
"I'm glad we can go through tough stuff like this and clear it up. I'm not going to let you down, I promise." (+/- Foreshadowing?)
SC of Jordan's hands on a ring box in the limo FRC preview
F1 style 1:1 in ARG (limo/private jet/hot tub at the vineyard
"I like just hanging out with you." -JoJo
"I trust you." -JoJo
After the "I am so in love with you" the sweepingly romantic overture plays
At ARG RC "I have to follow my heart" guys in line-up, camera focus on Jordan (& Chase)
Case against F1
JoJo telling the guys at Nem RC CP after sending Chad home "Turns out he wasn't who I thought he was." (Could this pertain to Jordan in the future after the doubt cast upon him?)
Jordan's cockiness left in the edit (+/-)
JoJo "Trust is something that is so important to me and it's something that I've always struggled with. It's often why a relationship has failed for me. This week is so important to figure out (cam pan to Jordan) are these good guys? Are they genuinely here for me?"
Jordan "Looking around the room, (cam pan to Chase) the competition is stiff."
Getting ready for 1:1, Jordan "She knows I'm the kind of person she can trust..."
Joking and banter left in the edit with JoJo on the boat "You know what? I'm outta here. I'm out..." (hahaha)
Alex PI "As scared as I am that their on this date, I trust her decision making skills and it's going to work out."
JoJo VO "It makes me feel really good hearing Jordan say "I'm falling in love with you." I really like Jordan and I don't see anything negative about the Jordan that I know."
Will JoJo trust Jordan with her heart? It's a major theme of the season.
Strange BL and lack of empathy during JoJo's conversation about previous heartbreak
Strange BL when questioned about ex-GF, dancing around the subject, taking a sip, had eye contact troubles, licked his lips after he told JoJo "no" on the question "Was there cheating?"
Danced around this: JoJo "this makes me nervous because I find myself liking you a lot, and I don't want something like that to ever happen to me." (the state of his last relationship) He offered no reassurance and delved into something his pastor said...
Said "Don't tell someone you love them unless you're willing to put a ring on her finger"...but he told his ex-GF that he loved her and knew he wasn't ready for marriage (foreshadowing? Will he do the same to JoJo? Does he actually mean what he says??)
JoJo "Do you think at any point it will scare you so much that you're going to pull away?"
After cutting Wells, JoJo "This is one my fears. I fear that at the end of all of this, every good-bye that I've ever had to make, every tough decision, has led me to the point where I...I (voice cracking) I am so in love with somebody, and what if that doesn't work out? Heh (exasperated)...it hasn't worked out any other time." (Foreshadowing?)
All the guys walking up to meet JoJo for GD in BA, Alex came running and first to greet her with a warm hug. JoJo "I'm glad someone made an effort."
One of the most sincere guys in the house pointed out one of his personality flaws and JoJo took it seriously, (even though it might've been producer-driven)
"I hate hearing that, because I have this idea of you in my head that I feel is accurate, and then to hear you were acting entitled..."
JoJo "I just want to make sure the Jordan I know...is who you are and it scares me so much." Jordan plays with her hair and offers no reassurance.
JoJo not as emotional as expected when Jordan is saying all of the right things on the steps during BA CP SQT
CH's episode 6 blog "Once again JoJo found herself having to talk to Jordan about his intentions and once again, Jordan is on the defensive. I have a feeling this will be a recurring theme." (there's more?)
After Chase's VO "If something does feel fabricated, she's going to see through that. If that's the case with Jordan, I hope she sees that" as a dark cloud is shown going over the horizon and ominous music plays
When discussing family dynamics with JoJo "I care about you so much....and I...don't want to mess it up." JoJo brushes over it "You're not gonna mess it up."
Case for F1 (episodes 5-7)
JoJo's response to the wall kiss!
The cam angle of the wall kiss/the other guys left in the dust on the other side of the wall
Other guys mentioned Jordan as the clear frontrunner. Jordan has target on his back after Chad's departure
Other guys questioning his intentions (+) casting doubt for F1/ (-) foreshadowing)
Comforting hug f/him after tabloid mess was not aired
Manufactured ex-GF drama and doubt cast on Jordan-was JoJo in cahoots with tptb to save the season?
Redeemable after expressing his past misgivings to JoJo with ex-GF
JoJo "Don't be mad at me." (for bringing up ex-GF stuff...she may overlook his faults)
When Jordan told JoJo he was falling in love with her, she said she felt her heart skip a beat
JoJo narrating a lot about her 1:1 date in Uruguay.."this could be the start of a perfect love story. I feel like this date is straight out of a romantic movie. My date with Jordan was pure magic."
JoJo feels like she can get through tough situations w/Jordan
During tabloid mess when JoJo was addressing the guys she asked Jordan "did you know about this?" and he smiled. It's like they are alone in the room and forgot there were others present.
JoJo believes in "the fairytale" and might discount the Jordan mistrust to achieve it.
JT's producer-driven manipulation to cast doubt on Jordan (F1 throw off?)
JoJo "I think about what my life would be like with you."
Jordan's worries after the JT backtalk "Will JoJo think it's a dealbreaker?"
Jordan's ITM to JoJo "I want to be in love and engaged at the end of this and I think we can get there. I know we're going to get there" (may come full circle?)
"I'm glad we can go through tough stuff like this and clear it up. I'm not going to let you down, I promise." (+/- Foreshadowing?)
SC of Jordan's hands on a ring box in the limo FRC preview
F1 style 1:1 in ARG (limo/private jet/hot tub at the vineyard
"I like just hanging out with you." -JoJo
"I trust you." -JoJo
After the "I am so in love with you" the sweepingly romantic overture plays
At ARG RC "I have to follow my heart" guys in line-up, camera focus on Jordan (& Chase)
Case against F1
JoJo telling the guys at Nem RC CP after sending Chad home "Turns out he wasn't who I thought he was." (Could this pertain to Jordan in the future after the doubt cast upon him?)
Jordan's cockiness left in the edit (+/-)
JoJo "Trust is something that is so important to me and it's something that I've always struggled with. It's often why a relationship has failed for me. This week is so important to figure out (cam pan to Jordan) are these good guys? Are they genuinely here for me?"
Jordan "Looking around the room, (cam pan to Chase) the competition is stiff."
Getting ready for 1:1, Jordan "She knows I'm the kind of person she can trust..."
Joking and banter left in the edit with JoJo on the boat "You know what? I'm outta here. I'm out..." (hahaha)
Alex PI "As scared as I am that their on this date, I trust her decision making skills and it's going to work out."
JoJo VO "It makes me feel really good hearing Jordan say "I'm falling in love with you." I really like Jordan and I don't see anything negative about the Jordan that I know."
Will JoJo trust Jordan with her heart? It's a major theme of the season.
Strange BL and lack of empathy during JoJo's conversation about previous heartbreak
Strange BL when questioned about ex-GF, dancing around the subject, taking a sip, had eye contact troubles, licked his lips after he told JoJo "no" on the question "Was there cheating?"
Danced around this: JoJo "this makes me nervous because I find myself liking you a lot, and I don't want something like that to ever happen to me." (the state of his last relationship) He offered no reassurance and delved into something his pastor said...
Said "Don't tell someone you love them unless you're willing to put a ring on her finger"...but he told his ex-GF that he loved her and knew he wasn't ready for marriage (foreshadowing? Will he do the same to JoJo? Does he actually mean what he says??)
JoJo "Do you think at any point it will scare you so much that you're going to pull away?"
After cutting Wells, JoJo "This is one my fears. I fear that at the end of all of this, every good-bye that I've ever had to make, every tough decision, has led me to the point where I...I (voice cracking) I am so in love with somebody, and what if that doesn't work out? Heh (exasperated)...it hasn't worked out any other time." (Foreshadowing?)
All the guys walking up to meet JoJo for GD in BA, Alex came running and first to greet her with a warm hug. JoJo "I'm glad someone made an effort."
One of the most sincere guys in the house pointed out one of his personality flaws and JoJo took it seriously, (even though it might've been producer-driven)
"I hate hearing that, because I have this idea of you in my head that I feel is accurate, and then to hear you were acting entitled..."
JoJo "I just want to make sure the Jordan I know...is who you are and it scares me so much." Jordan plays with her hair and offers no reassurance.
JoJo not as emotional as expected when Jordan is saying all of the right things on the steps during BA CP SQT
CH's episode 6 blog "Once again JoJo found herself having to talk to Jordan about his intentions and once again, Jordan is on the defensive. I have a feeling this will be a recurring theme." (there's more?)
After Chase's VO "If something does feel fabricated, she's going to see through that. If that's the case with Jordan, I hope she sees that" as a dark cloud is shown going over the horizon and ominous music plays
When discussing family dynamics with JoJo "I care about you so much....and I...don't want to mess it up." JoJo brushes over it "You're not gonna mess it up."
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Re: Bachelorette 12 - Timeline - Episode - NO SPOILERS - *Sleuthing* NO DISCUSSION
ROBBY:
Case for F1 (episodes 5-7)
JoJo narrating a lot about Robby (school girl crush/found herself missing him)
JoJo "I trust Robby."
Going into saying ILY to JoJo "this could be the moment I look back to when I propose"(come full circle?) (+/-)
A stronger emotional bond was established on their 1:1
SC of Robby's hands at FRC podium per FRC preview
Case against F1
Overconfidence 'I feel my relationship w/JoJo is miles ahead of many of these guys."
Romantic fountain kiss overshadowed by the other guys' reactions
"I'm not afraid to say ILY but it's always nice to hear it back so, that's scary." (foreshadowing?)
JoJo's PI/VO not specific/more generic when Robby said ILY, she said "It gave me a lot faith that everything that I've always wanted in this whole thing is starting to happen."
Robby "She doesn't have to tell me she loves me back. She gave me the rose and she's on the path to loving me back." (+/-)
JoJo told CH hearing ILY f/Robby made her feel good, but she also said it makes her worry because the last two guys to tell her that, it didn't work out (Foreshadowing?)
Case for F1 (episodes 5-7)
JoJo narrating a lot about Robby (school girl crush/found herself missing him)
JoJo "I trust Robby."
Going into saying ILY to JoJo "this could be the moment I look back to when I propose"(come full circle?) (+/-)
A stronger emotional bond was established on their 1:1
SC of Robby's hands at FRC podium per FRC preview
Case against F1
Overconfidence 'I feel my relationship w/JoJo is miles ahead of many of these guys."
Romantic fountain kiss overshadowed by the other guys' reactions
"I'm not afraid to say ILY but it's always nice to hear it back so, that's scary." (foreshadowing?)
JoJo's PI/VO not specific/more generic when Robby said ILY, she said "It gave me a lot faith that everything that I've always wanted in this whole thing is starting to happen."
Robby "She doesn't have to tell me she loves me back. She gave me the rose and she's on the path to loving me back." (+/-)
JoJo told CH hearing ILY f/Robby made her feel good, but she also said it makes her worry because the last two guys to tell her that, it didn't work out (Foreshadowing?)
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Re: Bachelorette 12 - Timeline - Episode - NO SPOILERS - *Sleuthing* NO DISCUSSION
CHASE:
Case for F1 (episodes 5-7)
JT's VO after Chad's departure "...and the world is right..." camera pan to Chase
This cam angle when JoJo walked into Nemacolin RC CP:
JoJo's speech "Coming into this, one of my biggest fears is having my heart broken again, and after this week (Cam pan to Chase) and I hope I don't have to worry about that fear again."
Evan's VO ..."there's no hidden agendas out there. So let's celebrate" over this:
A kiss in the knocker balls that wasn't aired, but that JoJo mentioned in her episode 5 blog with the present tense "He's so adorable."
Chase's immediate reaction to the Robby fountain kiss "the stress is definitely out there."
Vinny's VO "There are a lot of good guys here." cam pan to Chase
Chase in PI having confidence in JoJo to weed out someone who is being false with her & their intentions
Tabloid mess ITM " She's obviously taking this very seriously. She definitely wants a relationship with one of us in this room to work out and be better than previous relationships."
No SQT shown after sand-boarding GD (+/-)
Demonstrated jealousy over Derek...the start of Chase's hurdle
During Derek drama, the other guys were telling him off, Chase said "Well, tonight I think should be more focused on JoJo. I'm going to put my energy towards that."
CH walks in Uruguay RC CP "Gentlemen..." (cam pan to Chase)
JoJo 'With the turmoil came a lot of clarity. I realized and reminded myself of the type of man I was looking for...the type of man I deserve, and ultimately the man I want to spend the rest of my life with." (cam pan to Chase)
Less confidence going into 2:1 and going through it
VO on the way to 2:1 "I've kept my cards close to my chest, but I can definitely see love happening between the two of us." (+ (something he said at a later time and was spliced in here/- foreshadowing heartbreak?)
JoJo told him she has strong feelings for him, but didn't feel he gave her much back. Why bring this up if he was MOT? She was worried that she liked him more than he liked her. She is telling him exactly what she needs from him. JoJo's face when he was being vulnerable. She softens around him.
Soft "Sutter" music while they kissed
SQT time was overshadowed by Derek's dramatic exit PIs/music ...we didn't hear any narration from either one about that time. Why?
We also didn't see this addition to SQT:
Or this: Their SQT before BA RC (all others were shown)
(all SCs my own)
After giving JT & Alex roses, JoJo "I'm relieved. I feel I can go to bed tonight and know I didn't make a mistake." cam pan to Chase. JoJo continues (with cam still on Chase) "Sorry if that was stressful."
CH's episode 6 blog "This 2:1 date with two of JoJo's frontrunners was a game-changer."
"I would be the luckiest girl to end up with any of you." cam on Chase
An outtake with the lead
Case against F1
JoJo not narrating about Chase
Is Chase Jordan's decoy? Is he the antagonist to F1 Jordan protagonist?
Being on a 2:1 date
His VO "I wonder if we've had enough time for her to understand how serious I am about this." (foreshadowing?)
Is Chase taking too much time to express his love for JoJo?
Did tptb put JoJo up to questioning Chase on the 2:1 to make him appear to be a stronger contender than he was?
His ITM "We don't have room to slip back at all." with the silhouette of Jorjo kissing.
JT's ITM "No one wants to go home at this point." cam on Chase
No SC of Chase present at FRC per preview
Increasing frustration/losing confidence to tell JoJo his feelings (-/+)
Not giving JoJo her "words of affirmation" may stall the relationship moving forward
Chase's VO over Jorjo in hot tub "Jordan is a frontrunner."
"I feel like I haven't had all the opportunity to grow to the same position as jordan & Luke" -Chase
"there's so much more that JoJo and I need to touch base on. There's so many other things I want to share with her." -Chase
At ARG RC "I have to follow my heart" guys in line-up, camera focus on Jordan (& Chase) (+/-), while I navigate through these relationships"....camera focus changes to Chase, James, & Luke
Shown first in HTD preview (F1s usually aren't shown first)
Case for F1 (episodes 5-7)
JT's VO after Chad's departure "...and the world is right..." camera pan to Chase
This cam angle when JoJo walked into Nemacolin RC CP:
JoJo's speech "Coming into this, one of my biggest fears is having my heart broken again, and after this week (Cam pan to Chase) and I hope I don't have to worry about that fear again."
Evan's VO ..."there's no hidden agendas out there. So let's celebrate" over this:
A kiss in the knocker balls that wasn't aired, but that JoJo mentioned in her episode 5 blog with the present tense "He's so adorable."
Chase's immediate reaction to the Robby fountain kiss "the stress is definitely out there."
Vinny's VO "There are a lot of good guys here." cam pan to Chase
Chase in PI having confidence in JoJo to weed out someone who is being false with her & their intentions
Tabloid mess ITM " She's obviously taking this very seriously. She definitely wants a relationship with one of us in this room to work out and be better than previous relationships."
No SQT shown after sand-boarding GD (+/-)
Demonstrated jealousy over Derek...the start of Chase's hurdle
During Derek drama, the other guys were telling him off, Chase said "Well, tonight I think should be more focused on JoJo. I'm going to put my energy towards that."
CH walks in Uruguay RC CP "Gentlemen..." (cam pan to Chase)
JoJo 'With the turmoil came a lot of clarity. I realized and reminded myself of the type of man I was looking for...the type of man I deserve, and ultimately the man I want to spend the rest of my life with." (cam pan to Chase)
Less confidence going into 2:1 and going through it
VO on the way to 2:1 "I've kept my cards close to my chest, but I can definitely see love happening between the two of us." (+ (something he said at a later time and was spliced in here/- foreshadowing heartbreak?)
JoJo told him she has strong feelings for him, but didn't feel he gave her much back. Why bring this up if he was MOT? She was worried that she liked him more than he liked her. She is telling him exactly what she needs from him. JoJo's face when he was being vulnerable. She softens around him.
Soft "Sutter" music while they kissed
SQT time was overshadowed by Derek's dramatic exit PIs/music ...we didn't hear any narration from either one about that time. Why?
We also didn't see this addition to SQT:
Or this: Their SQT before BA RC (all others were shown)
(all SCs my own)
After giving JT & Alex roses, JoJo "I'm relieved. I feel I can go to bed tonight and know I didn't make a mistake." cam pan to Chase. JoJo continues (with cam still on Chase) "Sorry if that was stressful."
CH's episode 6 blog "This 2:1 date with two of JoJo's frontrunners was a game-changer."
"I would be the luckiest girl to end up with any of you." cam on Chase
An outtake with the lead
Case against F1
JoJo not narrating about Chase
Is Chase Jordan's decoy? Is he the antagonist to F1 Jordan protagonist?
Being on a 2:1 date
His VO "I wonder if we've had enough time for her to understand how serious I am about this." (foreshadowing?)
Is Chase taking too much time to express his love for JoJo?
Did tptb put JoJo up to questioning Chase on the 2:1 to make him appear to be a stronger contender than he was?
His ITM "We don't have room to slip back at all." with the silhouette of Jorjo kissing.
JT's ITM "No one wants to go home at this point." cam on Chase
No SC of Chase present at FRC per preview
Increasing frustration/losing confidence to tell JoJo his feelings (-/+)
Not giving JoJo her "words of affirmation" may stall the relationship moving forward
Chase's VO over Jorjo in hot tub "Jordan is a frontrunner."
"I feel like I haven't had all the opportunity to grow to the same position as jordan & Luke" -Chase
"there's so much more that JoJo and I need to touch base on. There's so many other things I want to share with her." -Chase
At ARG RC "I have to follow my heart" guys in line-up, camera focus on Jordan (& Chase) (+/-), while I navigate through these relationships"....camera focus changes to Chase, James, & Luke
Shown first in HTD preview (F1s usually aren't shown first)
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