Bachelorette 12 - Timeline - Episode - NO SPOILERS - *Sleuthing* NO DISCUSSION

by **GuardianAngel** Sun May 29, 2016 8:12 pm

Post your timeline's here and recap of what's been sleuthed so far. Minimal discussion is acceptable should there be a correction or a question. Thanks to AAL for starting us off.

AllAboutLove wrote:Here is what I have come up with based tentative episode timeline upthread on what we have sleuthed/speculated thus far for s/caps....

To my fellow unspoiled: If anything is left out or incorrect that has been sleuthed/speculated please post/comment and I will add to the list. This way we can see what still needs to be sleuthed and what is already sleuthed to avoid duplicates.

Potential timeline with activities/events:

Epi 1, Epi 2, and Epi 3 USA (usually 1-3 are in LA; 20 men at beginning of Epi 2)
CP - Chase makes it snow for JoJo at mansion (here and here)
GD? - Pool at mansion (sleuthed/speculated here); CH talks to Chad; sent home? (speculated here)

Epi 4? Pennsylvania
GD? - Downtown Pittsburg (sleuthed here)
SD? - Luke in hot tub (speculated/sleuthed here)
SD/SQT? - ? on plane date by Nemacolin Resort, Farmington, PA (sleuthed here; here)
CP - Jordan kissing JoJo Nemacolin Resort tea room (sleuthed here)

Epi 5 Uruguay - 11 men total (Robby, Chase, Jordan, Luke, Grant, Alex, Evan, Vinny, Wells, James T, and Derek)
GD - 9 men (sleuthed here) on sand dunes (sleuthed here) Robby & Jordan missing (so 11 men total)
1on1 - Robby cliff-jumping in water off Punta Ballen Portezuelo side known as "el salto" (sleuthed here)
1on1 - Jordan on boat near Punta del Este (speculated/sleuthed here); dinner? dancing night portion? (speculated here)

Epi 6 and Epi 7 Argentina
2on1 - Chase and ? at Gala Tango, Buenos Aires (sleuthed here); Chase in same? clothes at ? (speculated here; here; here; here)
1on1? - Alex walking and riding gaucho style (speculated/sleuthed here; here)
1on1/SQT? - Jordan in boat (if not Uruguay), dinner/kissing on stairs OR dancing in street? (speculated here; here)
1on1/SQT? - Robby at Plaza Hotel, BA (sleuthed here; here); JoJo and Robby in same clothes? (speculated here; here; here)
1on1/SQT? - Wells? under water/swinging at Fuerza Bruta show, Buenos Aires (sleuthed here; here)
RC - Chase dipping JoJo at Hall of Honor, Palacio Paz (sleuthed here; here)

Epi 8 HTDs
Luke - in Texas riding horses (sleuthed here)
Chase - in Colorado with snow and Rocky Mountains (speculated/sleuthed here; here)
Robby - in St. Augustine, Florida (sleuthed here; here)
Jordan ? - California is his listed hometown

Epi 9 & Finale Thailand
FD - Chase (sleuthed here)
FD - Robby (sleuthed/speculated here)
FD - ? Jordan or Luke
MTP/LCD/FRC - ? and ?

by AllAboutLove Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:28 pm

Updating timeline. Feel free to add/comments below if incorrect or additional updates sleuthed yes

Potential timeline with activities/events:

Epi 1 & Epi 2 USA (20 men at beginning of Epi 2)
GD - Firefighter competition (Grant won competition/kiss, Luke kiss, Wells received GDR)
SD - Derek; "Choices" date, San Franscisco, (kiss, received rose)
GD - ESPN Sports Nation and power rankings: 1. James T, 2. Chad, 3. Alex (James T kiss/received GDR; Chad kiss)
CP - Chase makes it snow for JoJo at mansion (here and here)

Epi 3 USA
SD - Chase (posted here)
SD - James T (posted here)
GD? - Pool at mansion (sleuthed/speculated here); CH talks to Chad (here)

Epi 4 Pennsylvania
GD - Heinz Field, Downtown Pittsburg (sleuthed here; here)
SD - Luke in hot tub (speculated/sleuthed here)
SD/SQT? - ? on plane date by Nemacolin Resort, Farmington, PA (sleuthed here; here)
CP - Jordan kissing JoJo Nemacolin Resort tea room (sleuthed here)

Epi 5 Uruguay - 11 men total (Robby, Chase, Jordan, Luke, Grant, Alex, Evan, Vinny, Wells, James T, and Derek)
GD - 9 men (sleuthed here) on sand dunes (sleuthed here) Robby & Jordan missing (so 11 men total)
SD - Robby cliff-jumping in water off Punta Ballen Portezuelo side known as "el salto" (sleuthed here)
SD - Jordan on boat near Punta del Este (speculated/sleuthed here); dinner? dancing night portion? (speculated here)

Epi 6 & Epi 7 Argentina
2on1 - Chase and Derek at Gala Tango, Buenos Aires (sleuthed/speculated here; here; here; here; here; here)
SD? - Alex walking and riding gaucho style (speculated/sleuthed here; here)
SD/SQT? - Jordan dinner/kissing on stairs (speculated here; here)
SD/SQT? - Robby at Plaza Hotel, BA (sleuthed here; here); JoJo and Robby in same clothes? (speculated here; here; here)
SD/SQT? - Wells under water/swinging at Fuerza Bruta show, Buenos Aires (sleuthed here; here)
RC - Chase dipping JoJo at Hall of Honor, Palacio Paz (sleuthed here; here)

Epi 8 HTDs
Luke - in Texas riding horses (sleuthed here)
Chase - in Colorado with snow and Rocky Mountains (speculated/sleuthed here; here)
Robby - in St. Augustine, Florida (sleuthed here; here)
Jordan ? - California is his listed hometown

Epi 9 & Finale Thailand
FD - Chase (sleuthed here)
FD - Robby (sleuthed/speculated here)
FD - ? Jordan or Luke
MTP/LCD/FRC - ? and ?

SD = Single Date
GD = Group Date
SQT = Special Quality Time (usually on a GD)
GDR = Group Date Rose
RC = Rose Ceremony
CP = Cocktail Party
HTD - Home Town Date
FD = Fantasy Date
MTP = Meet The Parents
LCD = Last Chance Date
FRC = Final Rose Ceremony

by agentcurls Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:19 pm

Bachelorette Date Order/History:
1) Trista -unsure
2) Meredith- Ian's first 1:1 episode 3
3) SWSNBN- unsure
4) DeAnna- Jesse's first 1:1 episode 4/Graham (original F1?) first 1:1 episode 2
5) Jillian- Ed no date episode 2/Ed's first 1:1 episode 3
6) Ali- Roberto no date epsiode 2/first 1:1 episode 3
7) Ashley- JP no date episode 2/first 1:1 episode 3
8) Emily- Jef GD episode 2/first 1:1 episode 5 Arie (original F1?) no date episode 2/first 1:1 episode 3
9) Des - Chris S no date episode 2/first 1:1 episode 5
10) Andi -Josh M GD episode 2/first 1:1 episode 5
11) Kaitlyn -Shawn B no date episode 2/first 1:1 episode 6 (because of format)

@GuardianAngel, wasn't sure where to put this, but just wanted it as a reference. TIA

by umngirl Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:22 pm

^Emily and Jef had their first 1-on-1 in week 5 not 4.

by agentcurls Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:24 pm

umngirl wrote:^Emily and Jef had their first 1-on-1 in week 5 not 4.

Fixed. Thanks

by **GuardianAngel** Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:46 pm

@agentcurls yes

by agentcurls Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:52 pm

JORDAN
Case for F1: (episodes 1-4)
JoJo gravitating to him the most; she's chasing him and his emotions/thoughts; Jo is most nervous with him
First kiss
FIR
A lot of screentime
Strongest BL/legs intertwined/ standing leg hugs
Strong story arc & obstacle to overcome/strongest path to F1 after episode 4
GDR in episode 4 after he expressed his feelings to Jo
First 1:1 later in the season (episode 5 - pattern with Bachelorette F1s)

Case against F1:
Hesitation & apprehension expressing his feelings in the bubble "Being vulnerable, that takes a little time with me"
"I didn't plan this, but if I don't express my feelings, I'm going to lose her" -Foreshadowing?
Said in a PI "I'm developing some feelings for her and if she doesn't see that...that's a problem"
No Thailand SCs
Enmeshed in Chad drama and narrating about Chad quite a bit
"Once again, I'm in a place where I have to defend myself" said to Jo (Ur? BA? HTD?)
Jo's blog 4 "Jordan scares me" when feeling safe is very important to her; she has expressed feeling safe with Luke/Chase/Robby

by agentcurls Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:52 pm

LUKE
Case for F1: (episodes 1-4)
strong intro segment
strong last intro to Jo during M/G
long screentime night one (cowboy boots)
strong story arc - wounded heart hopeless romantic soldier who became intensely in touch with his emotions - is he JoJo's Ben H replacement? Can he give her what Ben and Lauren have?
JoJo's positive BL
JoJo used present tense about Luke in her blog
JoJo may be filling in storyline gaps in PIs done post-show
TPTB hiding some of the more steamy stuff with Lujo (pool time kiss/passionate hot tub kisses)
Discussion about where to place roots
Jo swooned when he said "To have moments like this...thinking these could be the eyes I'll looking into for the rest of my life"
"This could be the first date of many dates for the rest of my life with Luke" -JoJo
"I'm living so in the moment with Luke. I feel like the luckiest girl. I was swept off my feet tonight."

Case against F1:
Intensity and frustration expressed in PI's may become his demise
JoJo said in VO "Luke would make an amazing husband" (usually said about a potential next lead and not F1)
No Thailand SCs
Case may be made for Luke as the strongest next lead contender (glowing comments in CHs blog, built-in Bachelor lead buy-in crowd at Dan+Shay concert)

@GuardianAngel, ok to post these here? Feel free to move.

by agentcurls Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:52 pm

ROBBY
Case for F1: (episodes 1-4)
TPTB may be hiding their emotional connection to maximize the Jordan love story (for now) and to maximize Chad drama
JoJo said "my momma would love him" during M/G after he brought her wine-foreshadowing
Thailand SCs
Camera follows for reactions in regards to Luke/Chase/Jordan
First 1:1 later in the season (episode 5 - pattern with Bachelorette F1s)
JoJo's strong BL
Strong story arc/obstacle may present itself later as JoJo falls for Robby, but rumors of him breaking it off with GF before taping
"I feel like things are progressing without that much time" JoJo
During SQT "I promise you, were going to have time" -JoJo
"Robby, he's not holding back. He's a man. He makes me feel sexy. There is something about Robby that I think will blow me away."

Case against F1:
Lack of substantial storytelling and emotional connection shown, so may not be as significant
His PI's read a little false/canned
"GF drama" may make JoJo feel unsafe with him as an F1 choice

by agentcurls Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:53 pm

CHASE
Case for F1: (episodes 1-4)
night one SQT close up of Jo's face (only with him)
camera follows for reactions (after Robby, Luke, Jordan)
night one FIR reactions jokingly took "stab to the heart" (+/-)
Jonathan (kilt) consoles him "remember, the last person who got one of those wound up alone on an island"
no dates in episode 2
During episode 2 CP, the camera angle silhouette of Chase whisking JoJo away for SQT while Jordan/Luke/Robby were immersed in Chad drama
TPTB knew there was potential and helped him make it snow for JoJo episode 2 CP
Thailand SCs
During 1:1
----"At that moment I felt connected with you" -JoJo
"As this journey progresses, how can I make sure you remember that moment?" -Chase
"Aw, there is no way I would forget it." -JoJo (+/-) (tied to a pro-Chase outcome or gloomy foreshadowing)

---"This situation, is that something you think can work for you? Does it seem to fast for you?" -JoJo
"If everything feels right, and if there's enough love to overcome that fear, why not?" -Chase
JoJo's ITM "It a really great thing, not knowing someone a week ago, to talking about some of these really serious things. That's a great sign.'" (the opposite of her frontrunner F1, Jordan possibly, could be tied to a pro-Chase outcome)
no close-ups during intimate Charles Kelly concert date is suspect
JoJo told football pro Chase shot to the front after first date
Not involved in Chad drama
Not much narration
JoJo's softer, more relaxed, more vulnerable side
Story arc could be surpassing the intensity of feelings JoJo has for Jordan/Luke/Robby, the one who took JoJo by surprise

Case against F1:
Lack of screentime with JoJo night one
Weaker story arc and path to F1
JoJo's BL holding back (because she is already all in with Jordan/Luke/Robby)
lack of mentions in blogs 1,2 & 4
What she says in her blog 3 about him seems past-tense and possibly defending her true F1
During 1:1
"Getting engaged and married, since my parents divorced, it's a one and done situation" -Chase
JoJo's PI "it's really important for him to find the right person, and the sanctity of marriage is something he feels strongly about" -could be foreshadowing (she keeps him from proposing if her heart is with another based on this conversation)
2:1 date

by aviej Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:24 pm

Excellent job agentcurls! I can't think of anything to add or subtract. It'll be interesting how this breakdown would change as things unfold. Let's also bear in mind that Chase is likely the dark horse as his date was not nearly as glamourous as Luke's or I would Jordan. So that most of their 1on1 time was spent in a hot and awkward situation, but they made the best of it. Had he gotten a date that was less restrictive, we would have seen more of his personality shine forth.

Another thing though, I wonder how come Chase got the second 2on1 when there are guys like Grant and Wells left who were never on a 1on1 with her. Or is it that those two guys may be cut in the next episode? Even Evan, I mean, come on! How come none of those guys who she obviously does not have a connection with NOT get the 2on1 and guys she had a connect with - Chase and Derick do?! I'm probably off in terms of who gets cut when, but it is just very strange to me.

by nd4reality Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:39 pm

It is very strange how chase got the 2on1. Normally it's an interesting paring like Chad vs alex, beasties ashley I vs H, deanna and jade who could not get on etc.

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