Ben Higgins - Lauren Bushnell - Bachelor 20 - Discussion - #2

bluwavz wrote:

Fingersandtoes wrote:Every tv show and many movies get their own insane part of fandom who cannot separate reel and real life. They're nasty trolls who get their kicks from living vigariously through their idols, and when the idol makes choices they don't agree with, they unravel and become really vicious and cruel. Part of Twilight fandom still wishes for Pattison/Steward reunion, and hate on their real life partners. CW shows have horrid fans who harass the lead's wife, because they want the lead with his costar. The fifty shades fandom hates on the lead's wife too. It's happening in sports too. In every part of entertainment really.

It's really interesting, that all these fandoms target the looks of the person they hate. Like they call Lauren ugly. So what if she's ugly? Ugly people don't deserve love? Is beauty the quality needed on order to be adored?

I'm rambling on, sorry, this is just a baffling part of humanity for me, the fandom hate.

Okay now I know these folks are just jealous. She may not be everyone's personal taste, but ugly? Actually ugly? Even by show standards Lauren is definitely in the above average range. In real life she'd be considered a goddess with her tall, thin, modelesque looks, at least in my parts.

All JMO.

^^^^Agree Blu!   This actually happens every season.  One camp likes the lead, the other doesn't.  It is still happening with other past leads and their final pick here on the board.  Nature of the show I guess. I am glad fans and non-fans can come to this board to express their opinions as long as the rules are being followed.  

peggy0221 wrote:

sosleepy wrote:

peggy0221 wrote:Just curious, if those comments are left to support JoJo, then why would Kaitlyn got similar comments while she didn't have to deal with the two ILYs issue?

Apples and oranges. Many people from this show get some variation of hatred spewed their way for some reason or another. Kaitlyn's biggest "sin" was that she slept with Nick before fantasy suites. So, she gets the "whore" commentary, because girls hate girls who are sexually free, I guess, and sl*t shaming ensues. Oh, and she's skinny like Lauren, so may as well throw some skinny shaming her way as well. Kaitlyn has always fought back as well, and like we saw with Lauren, that inflames the crowd.

What was Lauren's biggest sin? Honestly, nothing that she did to herself. It was the unique situation that Ben and the show put her in. Dual ILY's, and an incredibly popular F2 girl that got a rocking edit to pump her up for the next lead (the show's MO, the lead always looks "golden" their first go around) and then putting said girl with the huge fan base FRONT AND CENTER so she can head her own show and stay relevant in everyone's minds.  That's a situation that a F1 doesn't typically have to deal with. I don't think it's a coincidence that the poop being thrown at Lauren is kicked into high gear only now, with JoJo front and center.

ETA: BUT, I agree with everyone else. Per info in the fan thread, these two are just fine, moving right along, living their lives...  So, I'm going to follow their lead, be happy for them, and move right along as well...

My point is, maybe some people out there just dislike Lauren B as a person and is irrelevant to JoJo????? As you said, people just throw whatever comments their way, it may, or maybe not directly relevant to other people.

I personally dislike her as a person and I'm not a JoJo fan.

Sure. It's one thing to have an opinion on these people based on what we see of their edit, social media behavior, whatever. But it's just that, an opinion. And honestly, none of these opinions are based on very much. Is anyone in your personal life all good or all evil? Probably not. People are 4-dimensional, good choices, bad choices, grey, not black and white. Everyone has family and friends that love them. None of us (or very few of us) know these people IRL. So, to take what is your opinion (based on very little) and turn that into nasty, personal attacks on these people's personal social media accounts, that's when it becomes bullying and ridiculous.

If Lauren's ugly, then I'm not sure what that means for the rest of the world especially including me.

The ones throwing the "ugly" word at Lauren are basically the ones who can easily say that because they're behind a laptop and we have no way of judging how they look.

Eh, Lauren is a lovely woman. I am completely jealous of her figure, I would love to be tall and thin. I would rather have her figure than JoJo's. And she looks like a doll to me with the bleached blonde hair and big blue eyes, and when she makes herself up it really enhances that doll like look to me. She is in no way ugly.

As for the edit, it happens every single season this way, Lauren and Ben are not unique victims of the edit. Ben at least knew how this works, so sorry I am not crying any tears for them for the edit they received. I watched the first two episodes and could tell Ben was gaga over Lauren, we had not seen a lead do something for a contestant who didn't get a date since Brad's picnic with Emily at the cocktail party. So yeah, they didn't get some kind of terrible edit, this was not Meredith and Ian where they made a huge deal of Ian being a commitment phobe who was just going to destroy Meredith. This wasn't even the vilification that Vienna got next to Disney princess Tenley.

And every F2 has fans that think the lead is stupid to not pick them. Sean and Cat are having a baby as is Lindsey and her husband, and I bet there are still posters who think Sean should have picked Lindsey and probably still say it. Same happens to Des with Brooks. It is part of the game of falling in love on the bachelor. Again, no tears for me for them because it happens to all the couples, and honestly I don't think the Lauren or Ben care that people think he should have picked JoJo.

The biggest thing that might make this one a little harder to take is all Ben's fault. Him telling JoJo, REPEATEDLY, that he loved her. I don't care why he did it. His actions alone did make things worse. Leads don't say ILY to their choice on camera until FRC for a reason, it isn't supposed to happen. Because this was only the second time the F2 got an ILY on camera, it was a blindside to fans of that F2. Does it justify them not letting it go? Nope, but some of the backlash belongs to Ben and Ben alone. He was the one who told JoJo he loved her again and again. So yeah, still no pity for Ben on this. I do feel bad for Lauren and think she has handled it with lots of grace. It is obvious that even with the ILY he loved/wanted Lauren more, but it was intensely stupid on Ben's part.

As for the hate, it sucks, hopefully they will ignore and block and continue to live their happy lives. Seems there is plenty of love and support for them in their lives, so it shouldn't be a huge problem.

I totally agree stuck! It is Ben's fault for the fall out but it sucks big time that Lauren is the one that is being hate on. I don't think anyone should be hate on but if a person needs to blame someone then they should blame Ben.

JoJo has benefited from the ILY and rejection but people refuse to see it that way.

Saying Lauren is ugly shows the maturity level of the people posting it. They can say she isn't their cup of tea but Lauren is so far from ugly.

babs wrote:I totally agree stuck!  It is Ben's fault for the fall out but it sucks big time that Lauren is the one that is being hate on.  I don't think anyone should be hate on but if a person needs to blame someone then they should blame Ben.  

JoJo has benefited from the ILY and rejection but people refuse to see it that way.

Saying Lauren is ugly shows the maturity level of the people posting it.  They can say she isn't their cup of tea but Lauren is so far from ugly.  

Unfortunately, I do think women tend to blame other women more than men.

Also Lauren posts plenty of pics of herself and snaps of her alone. We don't see Ben posting anything of him alone. Anything he posts is with Lauren or taken with a fan. I think there is just more of her out there for people to see and comment on. The comments are stupid and hateful, ignorant and mean people. Unfortunately, there is no magic way to make them go away. Ignoring is the best way to quiet them, when it is possible.

This stupid online hate is now unfortunately part and parcel of this show and the contestants that put themselves out there for out ip entertainment. Bullies are mostly anonymously typing hate and venom on these folk and it's just getting worse and worse as the seasons progress. It's horrible and mean. But unless they ( any lead or contestant ) stay away from Posting and social media they are going to get some of it. It's a double edge sword. You want to give your fans something and you want to promote your personal brand yet typos don't want the negatively. 

I feel sorry for all of them tbh not just these two.

Yet we do similar stuff here as well. Posts after posts of venom and negativity appear for a contestant or couple that We don't like. Most of us are guilty of this at some time or the other myself included.

To boot, if you are a fan of one them their "competition" is dragged down in their threads. Just because we can.

They will be fine, if not their sm postings will slow down. We have heard that contestants like Wes, olivia, that horse guy from kaitlyns season and so many others have had physical threats to them. How bad is this going to get ???


Imo

I think Lauren is a total fox and I'd probably only post selfies of myself too if I looked like that! But dang, her SM game is boring as hell. Officially had to stop following everything because there is zero personality in any of it, unless it's with Ben. Even then it's them singing in the car 95% of the time. I honestly don't expect anything else. But...she's putting it out there so she clearly wants to be in the SM game. I just can't watch another singing vid or her with the dog SC filter.

Haha Kay! I could have written your post! If I was Lauren, I'd just post selfies of myself all the live long day and caption them how hot I am, not even a humble brag required  But as a fan? I'm so unimpressed. Ben seems happy though so who cares what I think!

sosleepy wrote:

peggy0221 wrote:

sosleepy wrote:

Apples and oranges. Many people from this show get some variation of hatred spewed their way for some reason or another. Kaitlyn's biggest "sin" was that she slept with Nick before fantasy suites. So, she gets the "whore" commentary, because girls hate girls who are sexually free, I guess, and sl*t shaming ensues. Oh, and she's skinny like Lauren, so may as well throw some skinny shaming her way as well. Kaitlyn has always fought back as well, and like we saw with Lauren, that inflames the crowd.

What was Lauren's biggest sin? Honestly, nothing that she did to herself. It was the unique situation that Ben and the show put her in. Dual ILY's, and an incredibly popular F2 girl that got a rocking edit to pump her up for the next lead (the show's MO, the lead always looks "golden" their first go around) and then putting said girl with the huge fan base FRONT AND CENTER so she can head her own show and stay relevant in everyone's minds.  That's a situation that a F1 doesn't typically have to deal with. I don't think it's a coincidence that the poop being thrown at Lauren is kicked into high gear only now, with JoJo front and center.

ETA: BUT, I agree with everyone else. Per info in the fan thread, these two are just fine, moving right along, living their lives...  So, I'm going to follow their lead, be happy for them, and move right along as well...

My point is, maybe some people out there just dislike Lauren B as a person and is irrelevant to JoJo????? As you said, people just throw whatever comments their way, it may, or maybe not directly relevant to other people.

I personally dislike her as a person and I'm not a JoJo fan.

Sure. It's one thing to have an opinion on these people based on what we see of their edit, social media behavior, whatever. But it's just that, an opinion. And honestly, none of these opinions are based on very much. Is anyone in your personal life all good or all evil? Probably not. People are 4-dimensional, good choices, bad choices, grey, not black and white. Everyone has family and friends that love them. None of us (or very few of us) know these people IRL. So, to take what is your opinion (based on very little) and turn that into nasty, personal attacks on these people's personal social media accounts, that's when it becomes bullying and ridiculous.

Well, I never posted in their sm, although I dislike her.
And I think bullying is another topic we have been discussing. The previous question I asked was meant to point out not only jojo fans dislike Lauren B, I am not on anyone's team last season, just think she is unlikable. You are right that both of us don't know her, all are our opinions. But simply disliking her didn't make me s bully.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaurenBushnell3/status/741700484411461633

AmoreBella wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/LaurenBushnell3/status/741700484411461633

I love Lauren, think she is a kind hearted, classy, good person, who loves Ben with all her heart.

I'd love to see what some of her biggest bashers on SM look like, hiding behind their computers and criticizing her gorgeous model-like body and beautiful face. I bet most are pretty much the opposite of that. JMO