Bachelor New Zealand - Jordan Mauger - Season 2 - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing* - *Spoilers*- #2

^ IA @djogbenyuie... Naz's SM has made me think F2 for a long time but so many past contestants, media/SM saying Naz F1 that as posted above I wonder if they are all made to say that? Because it seems strange imo that those employed/under contract by TV3/Mediaworks are all saying Naz F1 if she is not unless they are trying to hide the F1 in media/SM and go along with why they chose to air the season while still filming?

I've long seen the edit for Fleur as F1 yet it seems they pushed for Naz but then remembered that this is typical F1 edit - to bring doubt on the F1 as it nears the end and make the F2 look like a viable F1. I don't know if that is the case here considering what an odd season it has been with them airing the show while it aired but for all the Woman's Day photoshoots Fleur just seems to be too happy and laid back to be a heartbroken F2 imo - which I think she would be considering she seems the most invested imo of all the girls, including Naz, who was all "ditto" to Jordan about falling for him.

I am hoping there may be some new promos for the final episode because there's not much to sleuth from the scs. I will post them this week to see if we can maybe tell if the light is different on each girl arriving - so arrival time indicating F1 or F2. From what I saw it looked overcast so it was hard to tell from the shots of the girls (only their heads, in the helicopter).

I agree with you AAL.

The only thing that bother me with the edit is that even though they usually try to cast doubt on the F1, we still get the connection and how it could be that person all the way.
Also, the lead chases that person and do some ITM we can go by.
Here even the signs from Jordan himself doesn't point to Fleur despite the F1 edit.
This is so weird.

I have the same dilemma, djogbenyuie... I don't see Jordan chasing and no real ITM from him indicating he has any real feelings (his interviews didn't help either in changing my mind).

So I don't know if Jordan is just is not that into any one really.. and/or ...moments/ITMs of him chasing Fleur are on the editing floor so as not to give anything away?

It seems that the show really wants the mystery to be there so if Fleur is F1 then maybe they cut a lot out?

The only thing I think to suggest Jordan is "chasing" Fleur is that he still kept her even when she wanted to leave or expressed doubt (something that has made him send any other girl packing if they do this) so maybe there's stuff there not seen?

Jordan did say though in the episode Fleur wanted to leave that he didn't want to lose her and that he had fallen for her in VO (the "Fleur I fell for") so perhaps they only want to use Fleur's emotions and ITMs to indicate she is F1?

I noticed that since the beginning Fleur has had the most ITMs and VOs and all talking about her feelings, scared of being hurt, things are real, Jordan she can see as her husband, wanting to get the last rose, etc, etc, yet Jordan seems to talk less about feelings in ITMs (overall, I'd say).

Like you posted, it's weird. Hopefully the Finale and WTA special will shed more light on Jordan regardless of F1 because I just don't find him believable as the lead despite trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

AllAboutLove wrote:I have the same dilemma, djogbenyuie... I don't see Jordan chasing and no real ITM from him indicating he has any real feelings (his interviews didn't help either in changing my mind).

So I don't know if Jordan is just is not that into any one really.. and/or ...moments/ITMs of him chasing Fleur are on the editing floor so as not to give anything away?

It seems that the show really wants the mystery to be there so if Fleur is F1 then maybe they cut a lot out?

The only thing I think to suggest Jordan is "chasing" Fleur is that he still kept her even when she wanted to leave or expressed doubt (something that has made him send any other girl packing if they do this) so maybe there's stuff there not seen?

Jordan did say though in the episode Fleur wanted to leave that he didn't want to lose her and that he had fallen for her in VO (the "Fleur I fell for") so perhaps they only want to use Fleur's emotions and ITMs to indicate she is F1?

I noticed that since the beginning Fleur has had the most ITMs and VOs and all talking about her feelings, scared of being hurt, things are real, Jordan she can see as her husband, wanting to get the last rose, etc, etc, yet Jordan seems to talk less about feelings in ITMs (overall, I'd say).

Like you posted, it's weird. Hopefully the Finale and WTA special will shed more light on Jordan regardless of F1 because I just don't find him believable as the lead despite trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The bolded is what we usually get from F2 really. Do you think it can be the set up for next Ette?
And Fleur's post about don't say hurtful things about the girls for last elimination seems over the top for just an Erin elimination.
I'm getting Blake's vibe but I hope this isn't the case.

And I agree that the fact he is keeping Fleur despite all the emotional roller coaster and the intensity might be him chasing her.

Something doesn't add up in this season but we will find what sooner or later.

I have just watched last episode and my predictions are:
F1- Fleur
F2- Naz
IMO i don't think Jordan is crazy about any of the final two girls and i would rather he pick Naz so they can play "happy couple" for a few months and then part ways coz i don't think Naz would be hurt after the break up but Fleur is in too deep and she would take it harder.
Can't wait to hear what he will say to the final girl. In the edge interview he did the other day he said that he and his f1 haven't said "i love you" to each other and it's a big step. It's really hard to understand him or his feelings. Whew! His f1 has a huge task ahead of her. JMHO.

Thanks for the updates everyone!

djogbenyuie wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:I have the same dilemma, djogbenyuie... I don't see Jordan chasing and no real ITM from him indicating he has any real feelings (his interviews didn't help either in changing my mind).

So I don't know if Jordan is just is not that into any one really.. and/or ...moments/ITMs of him chasing Fleur are on the editing floor so as not to give anything away?

It seems that the show really wants the mystery to be there so if Fleur is F1 then maybe they cut a lot out?

The only thing I think to suggest Jordan is "chasing" Fleur is that he still kept her even when she wanted to leave or expressed doubt (something that has made him send any other girl packing if they do this) so maybe there's stuff there not seen?

Jordan did say though in the episode Fleur wanted to leave that he didn't want to lose her and that he had fallen for her in VO (the "Fleur I fell for") so perhaps they only want to use Fleur's emotions and ITMs to indicate she is F1?

I noticed that since the beginning Fleur has had the most ITMs and VOs and all talking about her feelings, scared of being hurt, things are real, Jordan she can see as her husband, wanting to get the last rose, etc, etc, yet Jordan seems to talk less about feelings in ITMs (overall, I'd say).

Like you posted, it's weird. Hopefully the Finale and WTA special will shed more light on Jordan regardless of F1 because I just don't find him believable as the lead despite trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The bolded is what we usually get from F2 really. Do you think it can be the set up for next Ette?
And Fleur's post about don't say hurtful things about the girls for last elimination seems over the top for just an Erin elimination.
I'm getting Blake's vibe but I hope this isn't the case.

And I agree that the fact he is keeping Fleur despite all the emotional roller coaster and the intensity might be him chasing her.

Something doesn't add up in this season but we will find what sooner or later.

Hmm... I don't know about the bolded... when it comes to Bach NZ S1 where F2 Dani was very confident in her ITMs the exact way that Naz is and Fleur is unsure and yet more emotional in her ITMs like Matilda was. Matilda was shown saying she doesn't know what Art has with the others, and even at FRC said to Art she didn't think it was going to be her. Fleur has since F3 continued to say she doesn't know what Jordan has with the other girls and doesn't know if it is her. So I don't see Fleur doing that more as an F2 thing when comparing the two seasons. But, if that is what they are doing what you posted then they are highlighting Fleur's fears to show they come to pass - so she is F2 and highlighting Naz's confidence because that comes to pass? I guess that could be the case.

As for Blake vibes... I had those long time ago and posted but not sure. I guess I won't be that surprised if things have gone awry or if they are just fine and dandy. This season is so strange that nothing will surprise me other than a lovestory which I have not seen at all and don't think Jordan cares that much either way. His clubbing photo of the woman on his lap doesn't make me think he really is that worried about his F1 - despite his saying they are together still (which he may have to say).

I have a feeling the WTA/ATFR is going to be pretty awkward this year and not like last year at all. None of the eliminated women seem to care for him and the whole Naz thing if she is F1 is going to cause some issues I think. If she is F2 I think she will be hit-list Naz since her likes on her SM she likes some very mean/h@te things said about Fleur. Sore loser or sore winner, I think hit-list Naz is more her day to day persona than anything else - I think she just plays up to people to get what she wants when she isn't that way.

jmo

They used also a lot this season Storm's insecurities and she left. Which I am still convinced that it was her choice not Jordan. Storm was totally at peace at the rose ceremony and knew she was going (she even smiled standing) versus fleur who was a mess. We will never know but for me she was top 3, then remplaced by Erin (selected IMO because more popular than Gabs)

So for me the redundant insecurities ITM/voice over: "my feelings are strong but I do not know if he has stronger feelings for the other girls than" are the same edits as Storm IMO

For me the connection between Naz an Jordan started truly at the jet ski when she wanted out (re: when she says during the fantasy suite: then you apologized).

Then they had the single date and the vid under this will explain with his own words the evolution and how he felt about her confidence and all. These are extract of ep 8 and ep 10 and ep 11.

In ep 11, HE was the one who made the direct line to Naz and ASKED HER (not the usual other way around) to have a chat with him.

For me there is no doubt that he loves agressive strong confident woman versus insecure women and this is why the momentum left with Fleur after the volcano. Insecurities are not attractive to him. Once Fleur had this 24 hours reflexion after the pizza 1on1, she took the aggressive approach and she became attractive again. However, the edits show us 2 versions of Fleur: confident with him, insecure without versus Naz who is: what you see is what you get edits.

so just a reminder that the connection with Naz is not out of the blue, or a confusing scenario or whatever. Jordan was attracted to Naz a long time ago and the attraction grew so high that both said at the fantasy suite that after their second date, they pretty much both stayed on their cloud 9. Not Naz only, Jordan expressively said he was too. JMO

Guys was just thinking about something.
It is about the FD places.
Both Erin and Naz places are made of glasses and don't seem really private and intimate. As if jordan wanted to let everyone know that nothing will happen really during the overnight. Nothing sexual to be precise.

However Fleur's place was more intimate and you can't see the room from outside or anything.

Me feel like it is one more point in support to Fleur F1.

What do you think?

Interesting observation dj.

I agree that interesting. Theres something nagging me about the F!. Naz is really out there celebrating and already accepting deals. This is definitely not the way F1 reacts. Fleur just seem to have had a send off party (at least that is what is seems to me). She is very low key and just seem to be waiting for the final. I don't know. When I think the F1 is Naz everything just do not seem to add up.