The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - MTP -LCD - FRC - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

ForeverLove wrote:

richmondrose wrote:If jojo was familiar with the rules of the bachelor, wouldn't she know about the timing of the frc, too?  She doesn't look like she's freaking out in any of the rc sc that I  have seen.. Lauren on the other looks like she's going to pass out. imoaa

Maybe Lauren was more vested in the outcome or fully realized the possibilities good and bad. Or maybe it was closer to sunset and the sun was in her eyes making her squint a little more.

But I think there's also some degree of issue that they don't know where the FRC is taking place typically.

So even if they think it's possibly too early to be a good sign for them, they don't know if they're going on a 2 minute limo ride or a 20 minute one, a boat ride (like Roberto's infamous one), etc. Nor do they know if it's going to be a place where sunset would have much potential bearing on it or not.

They don't even know if it might be indoors (which we had seen more of earlier on and now a slow to return to including them again) where it's a moot point altogether.

Ones like Emily and Jef were in the little town area with no water/sunset background really (except the pictures w/ Ricki later on) and Nikki and Juan Pablo had so much greenery behind them it wasn't much of an issue either. Sure the glow of light is still different later, but it's a very different thing than the seasons they've been trying to really take advantage of a scenic sunset (usually over water) type background/landscape.

and of course Kaitlyn and Shawn were at night and Chris and Whitney were in the barn.

So even recent ones again have been switched up to where the final girls might not truly know if their departure time really gave them a solid 'clue' IMO.

kikora wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:

richmondrose wrote:If jojo was familiar with the rules of the bachelor, wouldn't she know about the timing of the frc, too?  She doesn't look like she's freaking out in any of the rc sc that I  have seen.. Lauren on the other looks like she's going to pass out. imoaa

Maybe Lauren was more vested in the outcome or fully realized the possibilities good and bad. Or maybe it was closer to sunset and the sun was in her eyes making her squint a little more.

But I think there's also some degree of issue that they don't know where the FRC is taking place typically.

So even if they think it's possibly too early to be a good sign for them, they don't know if they're going on a 2 minute limo ride or a 20 minute one, a boat ride (like Roberto's infamous one), etc. Nor do they know if it's going to be a place where sunset would have much potential bearing on it or not.

They don't even know if it might be indoors (which we had seen more of earlier on and now a slow to return to including them again) where it's a moot point altogether.

Ones like Emily and Jef were in the little town area with no water/sunset background really (except the pictures w/ Ricki later on) and Nikki and Juan Pablo had so much greenery behind them it wasn't much of an issue either. Sure the glow of light is still different later, but it's a very different thing than the seasons they've been trying to really take advantage of a scenic sunset (usually over water) type background/landscape.

and of course Kaitlyn and Shawn were at night and Chris and Whitney were in the barn.

So even recent ones again have been switched up to where the final girls might not truly know if their departure time really gave them a solid 'clue' IMO.

Probably not before they got to the FRC but I would guess JoJo had a good feeling it was too early as she was walking up to Ben. All IMHO

jcrbil wrote:I haven't analyzed... there are some great at it.  Is Ben's mom's ITM heavily edited?

I watched it a number of times to transcribe it for another thread, but since it's being discussed here just as much I'll also put it here:

One thing I noticed that kept sticking out to me is that Ben's mom NEVER references Lauren by name in that clip.

I'm sure intentionally in order to make it seem Lauren's a non-factor, when really I think some of what she's saying, at least is about Lauren, and that some that was stated to be about Jojo may have even been before meeting Lauren (as in impressions of what Lauren will be like based on what Ben had said and possibly her only having Jojo to go on at that point).

Mom (seen): Jojo's way more my style

Mom (unseen w/ apparent splice or V/O that could be about either) Just b/c you referred to her as the first person who will reassure me and tell me it's going to be ok.

Mom (seen - but unclear it's really in the context of the above V/O or something else or if even related to the 'Jojo' it appears to be about): And that, for me, is what I needed to hear.

Dad (seen): She has fallen in love with you.

Ben (seen) Yeah. And I couldn't feel luckier.

Ben (unseen or V/O b/c camera on dad) But I also couldn't be more confused.

Ben (seen) And I just don't know.

Mom (seen) away from couches: if I had to pick for Ben, if the decision was mine, I'm sorry, it has nothing to do with anything personal toward either girl. But if I were to make that decision for Ben today, if it were dependent on me, I'd have to pick Jojo.

Mom (seen) back at couches: I'm super, super proud of you.

Mom (unseen) You're an amazing man.

Mom (seen): And whoever you pick is going to be blessed

Dad (unseen) Hopefully clarity comes ___ (in? then?)

Ben: I agree

Mom (unseen) I want Ben to find that person

Mom (seen) back away from couches: that he can say "till death do us part"

Mom/Dad/Ben (seen) Ok, love you.

Ben (unseen - and I think this VO was played at another point also - also in FD episode?): I never thought in my life I could be in love with two people at one time. I told Lauren I love her. And I told Jojo I love her too.

Ben (unseen and clearly spliced into above): I could picture both Jojo and Lauren being my wife.

Ben (unseen and clearly spliced yet again) I know I have two women I love who I could see my life with and I have no idea

Ben (seen) I believe also shown during FD or w/ background from other clips that episode: who I could be saying goodbye to at this point.

kikora wrote:

jcrbil wrote:I haven't analyzed... there are some great at it.  Is Ben's mom's ITM heavily edited?

I watched it a number of times to transcribe it for another thread, but since it's being discussed here just as much I'll also put it here:

One thing I noticed that kept sticking out to me is that Ben's mom NEVER references Lauren by name in that clip.

I'm sure intentionally in order to make it seem Lauren's a non-factor, when really I think some of what she's saying, at least is about Lauren, and that some that was stated to be about Jojo may have even been before meeting Lauren (as in impressions of what Lauren will be like based on what Ben had said and possibly her only having Jojo to go on at that point).

Mom (seen): Jojo's way more my style

Mom (unseen w/ apparent splice or V/O that could be about either) Just b/c you referred to her as the first person who will reassure me and tell me it's going to be ok.

Mom (seen - but unclear it's really in the context of the above V/O or something else or if even related to the 'Jojo' it appears to be about): And that, for me, is what I needed to hear.

Dad (seen): She has fallen in love with you.

Ben (seen) Yeah. And I couldn't feel luckier.

Ben (unseen or V/O b/c camera on dad) But I also couldn't be more confused.

Ben (seen) And I just don't know.

Mom (seen) away from couches: if I had to pick for Ben, if the decision was mine, I'm sorry, it has nothing to do with anything personal toward either girl. But if I were to make that decision for Ben today, if it were dependent on me, I'd have to pick Jojo.

Mom (seen) back at couches: I'm super, super proud of you.

Mom (unseen) You're an amazing man.

Mom (seen): And whoever you pick is going to be blessed

Dad (unseen) Hopefully clarity comes ___ (in? then?)

Ben: I agree

Mom (unseen) I want Ben to find that person

Mom (seen) back away from couches: that he can say "till death do us part"

Mom/Dad/Ben (seen) Ok, love you.

Ben (unseen - and I think this VO was played at another point also - also in FD episode?): I never thought in my life I could be in love with two people at one time. I told Lauren I love her. And I told Jojo I love her too.

Ben (unseen and clearly spliced into above): I could picture both Jojo and Lauren being my wife.

Ben (unseen and clearly spliced yet again) I know I have two women I love who I could see my life with and I have no idea

Ben (seen) I believe also shown during FD or w/ background from other clips that episode: who I could be saying goodbye to at this point.

On the part that Ben's dad says that she has fallen in love with you and then Ben says Yeah, I couldn't feel luckier. Isn't that what Ben always say about Lauren that he is lucky to have met her etc.?

"Lucky" is Ben and Lauren's word, if I'm not mistaken. I feel like Lauren has said it before to Ben. I think she repeats it after he proposes- but then says, "I'm the luckiest!" I don't remember him saying that to Jojo or vice versa. I could be wrong. I do feel like there will be good conversation from Ben about Lauren and his parents will see how he feels about her. In the episode write-up, it says that Lauren has to win over Ben's dad. I wonder if she talks to both parents separately or together? Why would she have to win over his dad? So what? For an hour or two of meeting these girls, mom has to make an impulse call. Perhaps Mrs. Higgins has already told Lauren what she said and reassured her, "But I didn't know you that well at the time and I was being prodded to say something," I just didn't like how his mom said, "She's more my style..." It is possible that Lauren reminded her of someone she used to know or Ben used to know that wasn't really "her style". All conjecture!

So RM just retweeted a glamour mag article about the proposal and we can now safely conclude he called Lauren's father for permission

http://glmr.co/HIPZDu6

tennischick80 wrote:"Lucky" is Ben and Lauren's word, if I'm not mistaken. I feel like Lauren has said it before to Ben. I think she repeats it after he proposes- but then says, "I'm the luckiest!" I don't remember him saying that to Jojo or vice versa. I could be wrong. I do feel like there will be good conversation from Ben about Lauren and his parents will see how he feels about her. In the episode write-up, it says that Lauren has to win over Ben's dad. I wonder if she talks to both parents separately or together? Why would she have to win over his dad? So what? For an hour or two of meeting these girls, mom has to make an impulse call. Perhaps Mrs. Higgins has already told Lauren what she said and reassured her, "But I didn't know you that well at the time and I was being prodded to say something," I just didn't like how his mom said, "She's more my style..." It is possible that Lauren reminded her of someone she used to know or Ben used to know that wasn't really "her style". All conjecture!

No . I think and it has been sleuthed or analyzed here, the more my style was Ben's mom mimicking what Ben might have told her. It's edited for sure. With the dad, I'm pretty sure it's going to be about Ben telling Lauren about his surgery. Would be interesting if Jojo knows about that too or did Ben just tell Lauren. Could be Lauren's knowledge shows his dad how much Ben has revealed about himself to one girl. All mo.

see2love wrote:So RM just retweeted a glamour mag article about the proposal and we can now safely conclude he called Lauren's father for permission

http://glmr.co/HIPZDu6

Puzzle pieces falling into place!

tennischick80 wrote:"Lucky" is Ben and Lauren's word, if I'm not mistaken. I feel like Lauren has said it before to Ben. I think she repeats it after he proposes- but then says, "I'm the luckiest!" I don't remember him saying that to Jojo or vice versa. I could be wrong. I do feel like there will be good conversation from Ben about Lauren and his parents will see how he feels about her. In the episode write-up, it says that Lauren has to win over Ben's dad. I wonder if she talks to both parents separately or together? Why would she have to win over his dad? So what? For an hour or two of meeting these girls, mom has to make an impulse call. Perhaps Mrs. Higgins has already told Lauren what she said and reassured her, "But I didn't know you that well at the time and I was being prodded to say something," I just didn't like how his mom said, "She's more my style..." It is possible that Lauren reminded her of someone she used to know or Ben used to know that wasn't really "her style". All conjecture!

I haven't been able to find where this write up is Lauren meeting the parents. Can someone head me to the right direction or post a link for me. Thank You'll in advance.

^^^^ From the epi description:

Lauren B. makes a lasting first impression with Ben’s parents, but she must win over his dad in particular. Jo Jo, although a little nervous, also leaves his folks equally impressed. Her vulnerability especially appeals to Ben’s mother. Although his parents have strong feelings for both women, Ben is still undecided. His only hope is that his last dates with each bachelorette will help him make the biggest decision of his life.

Source

I honestly think they play up how undecided Ben is A TON for the show, but I don't really think he was that undecided. I know he loves and cares about both girls a lot, and it will be very hard for him to say goodbye to one of course, not easy for him. BUT I do think deep down he knew who he was going to pick.

see2love wrote:So RM just retweeted a glamour mag article about the proposal and we can now safely conclude he called Lauren's father for permission

http://glmr.co/HIPZDu6

Who is RM?