The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - MTP -LCD - FRC - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

sweetness09 wrote:^ Interesting. Does anyone have a screenshot of Jojo's helicopter ride to compare the sun?

You would think the F2 would know it was them due to time of day.

Though a little overcast you can see the overhead sun on the land through the window. The roof of the helicopter shields the light so JoJo is not lit by direct sunlight but rather by diffused light reflected from the overcast and the ground.

I suspect that many F2s realize at some point they are arriving too early to be F1; at least the ones very familiar with how the show works could.

My SC from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efsWKkuiPRQ&index=20&list=PLdp5SNBhNKqyIHzr0iOmNHnV4sT1Oav62

^^ This is JMHO of course but as much as JoJo seems to know about the show (i.e. Ben not supposed to say ILY back & generally having her brother be on a reality show), I would almost put money on her realizing she is too early to be F1.

Didn't we read that she won't be angry just sad at FRC ? Could she have done the math ?

Seems it was a very hot day that day.

He proposed in extreme heat,” the source continues. “November 18 was the hottest day of the whole week — about 90 degrees. Just stepping outside would make you sweat. It was really uncomfortable for everyone.”

http://www.wetpaint.com/bachelor-2016-finale-ben-higgins-phone-call-1478264/

Haha.. Never thought of that. You'd think the F2 should know the drill by now.

These girls (or guys) should come to this forum before going on the show to learn a thing or two...

I would think that even if they kind of suspect, if the F2 is invested in the guy or wants to be F1 in any way, they will talk themselves into ignoring the clues and explaining them away until they are actually told goodbye.  Deep down they might know, but that doesn't lessen the blow that comes a few minutes later JMO.

SarahD wrote:Haha.. Never thought of that. You'd think the F2 should know the drill by now.

I'm always a bit amazed by the seeming naiveté of some contestants. They go on a show with a good chance they are going to be embarrassed - after signing a contract in which IMO they admit they know this - and never seem to study how the show they are going on works. IMO this is not true of JoJo.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who's been an avid viewer of the show would know saying ilu before frc is " not allowed" You don't need to have reality TV experience, or family who've been on tv, to know certain things about this show.

If you were a fan before becoming a cast, you are not going in blind.

SarahD wrote:Haha.. Never thought of that. You'd think the F2 should know the drill by now.

These girls (or guys) should come to this forum before going on the show to learn a thing or two...

I know! When Olivia said there's no book, I was thinking all the info is right here. Maybe Kasha could write a cliff notes version for them. 1. Don't go on the show. 2. Don't go on the show...

^^^ But if you refuse to adhere to rules 1 and 2...  Your on your own, but here are a few basics that need to be remembered at all times!

3.  Do not give them anything to work with!  Use common sense... do not go over the dark side and into the bubble!  
4.  Be nice, polite, kind, etc.
5.  Do not roll your eyes, make faces or fun of others, don't even laugh...it can all be misconstrued and used against you!
6.  Do not sleep with all 3 in the FS.  It's icky and what happens in the FS, does not stay in the FS!
7.  Do not have sex with anyone before the FS, especially if you don't plan on them being your F1.  
8.  Do not tell multiple people you love them.

Lucas15 wrote:

sweetness09 wrote:^ Interesting. Does anyone have a screenshot of Jojo's helicopter ride to compare the sun?

You would think the F2 would know it was them due to time of day.

Though a little overcast you can see the overhead sun on the land through the window. The roof of the helicopter shields the light so JoJo is not lit by direct sunlight but rather by diffused light reflected from the overcast and the ground.

I suspect that many F2s realize at some point they are arriving too early to be F1; at least the ones very familiar with how the show works could.

My SC from https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=efsWKkuiPRQ&index=20&list=PLdp5SNBhNKqyIHzr0iOmNHnV4sT1Oav62

I came in on a plane yesterday around 5 pm and the lighting below me looked just like that. Could be later in the day as far as I can tell.

The lighting when Jojo walks to the FRC is what is telling. The shadows and light and bright on her body and the surrounding greenery definitely say that her photos were earlier in the day. (even if you ignore the numbers on the photos released by ABC)

Sunset was around 5:30 ish in Jamaica on that day.

http://www.timebie.com/sun/jamaica.php

If you gave around two hours for setup and Ben to gain composure after F2 rejection, what time would Jojo need to be in the air and Lauren to arrive to film with a measure of sunlight? Don't a lot of proposals end with a sunset? Lauren looks so much closer to sunset.