The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

Sprite wrote:

nutty1 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:Certainly poor taste on MF's part. 
Certainly poor taste on anyone else' part that chose to go into personal details. 
No one forces personal anecdotes out of your mouth. 
No one forces personal anecdotes of adult language to an audience out of your mouth. 
Even those that vomit can sometimes swallow it. 
I don't think MF employed water boarding on this date. Some of these war stories could have been nilla'ed out. JMOAA

I assume you're talking about the sex date?? I just read about it now. UGH....makes me want to skip this season. I have no hope for a happy forever after, so may as well enjoy the snark!!
Excuse me while I go shower....

Well, I thought they would try to one up last season. Heaven only knows how far they will go.

I said she would be Andi 2.0, now I may have to revise it to Kaitlyn 2.0. Their parents must be so proud.

Maybe next season they will just have them do a live sex show.

Totally agree. Regarding the bold, imo, she will be a combination of Kaitlyn 2.0 and Andi 2.0.

HEA wrote:This sex anecdotes confession date is just to bring more audience. Poor taste? I say NO taste at all. Jojo could have say no or use some veto but since she is brainwashed... And most guys are just guys who love to show off. If one guy refused, good for him but if he got fun about it, it is what it is.
They do not want a religious or trashy seasons (will not mention names but everyone is smart to know who I am talking about).
Sad that they do not rely on classy. I bet they will make a lot of buzz about this group date and will bring audience.
I am sad for jojo since she will have this tag on her head for a while after that. So unless she rejected her conservative environment, she will regret it and this will follow her on her career. If the story is true, she did not have to bring the type of toys IMO0.
Oh well... prods are trashy and I know that.

I don't think she could have said no and she has literally little to no veto power. 
There is a saying pick your battles. This is not the battle she wants to pick--the tastefulness of a group date. 
She can modulate her mouth and what comes out of it and maybe she did during the date. That is yet to be seen. 
So thrown into a distasteful situation, you can still come out with some dignity, if you choose. I don't know how much that might be, again that remains to be seen. 
Again she has to pick her battles with TPTB. This is not the time, early in the season. Things have a lot of room to get nasty and bad for her--up until the very last editing. 
That's why I always say: "Pound of flesh". That's the minimum sold to be on this show.  Most don't mind, it makes them look thinner.

GuardianAngel wrote:Interesting article on set design. Thank you to the person who shared it.  

Elledecor.com

I think about the main focus of the show, and I get a color scheme in my head and take it from there. We recently had farmer Chris Soules. I wanted his season to be very classic, kind of down home feel, very warm, like where he's from in Iowa. So we used a lot of Pendleton fabrics and really warm wools and natural fibers and linen. I think we did this really great herringbone wall in his living quarters. I loved that season because I love that Americana, Ralph Lauren vibe.

That was interesting. I wonder if she worked on Jef and Emily's....that was a pretty bad FRC setting!
I went to Curacao and hunted down the exact area. It was a courtyard of a resort and could have been done so much nicer. Everyone thought it was an alley, but it wasn't. The ocean in Curacao is so beautiful....I don't know what they didn't find a spot on the water?

Probably because tptb new for sure Emily and Jef were not going to make it so they did not try to hard jmo hopefully Jojo season will turn out better

timfan wrote:Probably because tptb new for sure Emily and Jef were not going to make it so they did not try to hard jmo hopefully Jojo season will turn out better

My friend was supposed to get married on the beach, but the wind kicked up and there was no way. It got into cameras and really hurt. They had to move the ceremony to a garden area that was away from the blowing sand and more protected. Tptb could care less if a couple are going to make it or not. They did some of the nicest decors for some that had no chance.

Kashathediva wrote:I don't think she could have said no and she has literally little to no veto power. 
There is a saying pick your battles. This is not the battle she wants to pick--the tastefulness of a group date. 
She can modulate her mouth and what comes out of it and maybe she did during the date. That is yet to be seen. 
So thrown into a distasteful situation, you can still come out with some dignity, if you choose. I don't know how much that might be, again that remains to be seen. 
Again she has to pick her battles with TPTB. This is not the time, early in the season. Things have a lot of room to get nasty and bad for her--up until the very last editing. 
That's why I always say: "Pound of flesh". That's the minimum sold to be on this show.  Most don't mind, it makes them look thinner.

IMO this post captures a thought that not only deserves a "Like" but bears repeating - and remembering - not only for this season but for the next (and the next after that) - anytime we see something done by someone that seems questionable and we are left wondering why "they" went along with it. Yes - IMO - you can battle - but you have to pick the ones you choose to fight. You probably won't win anyway even if you do go to battle, but it may be best to save your battles for those that you have some (albeit remote) chance of at least influencing even if you can't win. This wasn't one of them.
JMHO

Lucas15 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:I don't think she could have said no and she has literally little to no veto power. 
There is a saying pick your battles. This is not the battle she wants to pick--the tastefulness of a group date. 
She can modulate her mouth and what comes out of it and maybe she did during the date. That is yet to be seen. 
So thrown into a distasteful situation, you can still come out with some dignity, if you choose. I don't know how much that might be, again that remains to be seen. 
Again she has to pick her battles with TPTB. This is not the time, early in the season. Things have a lot of room to get nasty and bad for her--up until the very last editing. 
That's why I always say: "Pound of flesh". That's the minimum sold to be on this show.  Most don't mind, it makes them look thinner.

IMO this post captures a thought that not only deserves a "Like" but bears repeating - and remembering - not only for this season but for the next (and the next after that) - anytime we see something done by someone that seems questionable and we are left wondering why "they" went along with it. Yes - IMO - you can battle - but you have to pick the ones you choose to fight. You probably won't win anyway even if you do go to battle, but it may be best to save your battles for those that you have some (albeit remote) chance of at least influencing even if you can't win. This wasn't one of them.
JMHO

I agree. And to add to that, I would say the chance for repercussions from TPTB are probably pretty high. They can make or break you with your edit, even if you are the lead.

I don't see the parallels between JoJo and Andi at all, excepting both were raised in fairly affluent surroundings.  

Andi has a small Jewish family, just one sister and JoJo has 4 siblings from 2 blended families.  Andi spent 7 years in college, getting both her Bachelors and her JD.  She then spent 2 years as an assistant D.A. before going on the show. JoJo seems to have gone straight from college into medical sales, then some type of realty company.
JoJo always seemed very laid back and calm to me, whereas Andi came off to me as Type-A and in charge from the word go.  Andi was a competition athlete growing up and JoJo says on one of her bios that she likes a relaxing day of golf.  

Aside from both being petite brunettes, I can't see a single way they're alike.  I liked Andi's season and certainly hope this one has even a fraction of the good looking and interesting guys that she had. We already know that at least one of JoJo's dates is going to be skanky, though Andi did have her exotic dancers for date entertainment.

metalgirl wrote:I don't see the parallels between JoJo and Andi at all, excepting both were raised in fairly affluent surroundings.  

Andi has a small Jewish family, just one sister and JoJo has 4 siblings from 2 blended families.  Andi spent 7 years in college, getting both her Bachelors and her JD.  She then spent 2 years as an assistant D.A. before going on the show. JoJo seems to have gone straight from college into medical sales, then some type of realty company.
JoJo always seemed very laid back and calm to me, whereas Andi came off to me as Type-A and in charge from the word go.  Andi was a competition athlete growing up and JoJo says on one of her bios that she likes a relaxing day of golf.  

Aside from both being petite brunettes, I can't see a single way they're alike.  I liked Andi's season and certainly hope this one has even a fraction of the good looking and interesting guys that she had.  We already know that at least one of JoJo's dates is going to be skanky, though Andi did have her exotic dancers for date entertainment.  

For me it is not in their backgrounds that I see similarities. It is more of the entitled vibe I get from both and how both auditioned for the lead. It is hard to explain, it is just what I feel.

One thing that JoJo has got going for her in the Andi/JoJo comparisons is that the girls that know Andi and lived with her for almost two months said she was part of the mean girls club while the girls that know JoJo and lived with her for almost two months have said she's the nicest, kindest, most gentle and fun person they've ever met.

Big difference IMO.

Ash2214 wrote:One thing that JoJo has got going for her in the Andi/JoJo comparisons is that the girls that know Andi and lived with her for almost two months said she was part of the mean girls club while the girls that know JoJo and lived with her for almost two months have said she's the nicest, kindest, most gentle and fun person they've ever met.

Big difference IMO.

With all the people joining the Bachelor family, they want to play nice so that that they stay in good with most recent players. That way they get invited to things, do blogs, do interviews as part of the club, etc. I like to wait a while to see how things shape up and the real dirt stuff comes out.

Sprite wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:One thing that JoJo has got going for her in the Andi/JoJo comparisons is that the girls that know Andi and lived with her for almost two months said she was part of the mean girls club while the girls that know JoJo and lived with her for almost two months have said she's the nicest, kindest, most gentle and fun person they've ever met.

Big difference IMO.

With all the people joining the Bachelor family, they want to play nice so that that they stay in good with most recent players. That way they get invited to things, do blogs, do interviews as part of the club, etc. I like to wait a while to see how things shape up and the real dirt stuff comes out.

Is it fact or opinion that the girls are only speaking nicely about JoJo because of the reasons you listed? JoJo wasn't even announced as the bachelorette when these things were said. They all thought it would be Caila at that point and instead of sucking up to Caila, they said some very bland things about her.