The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

Sprite wrote:

Seabear wrote:Caila would be a wonderful Bachelorette.  Beautiful, Complex, Educated, Positivity personified and Diverse.  Clearly as usual IF JoJo is the Ette TPTB/ABC do not care about Diversity.  Business as usual.  Opportunity lost.....  With JoJo as Ette...she and her family can continue their quest/audition for the Fletcher families own Reality TV series.  

So much for JoJo not being able to imagine her life without Ben.  I actually started to buy it.....shame on me.....good on TPTB editing team.  

JMO

I agree Seabear...with all but the buying it part. When tptb try to bulldoze me with a new "love connection" as we near the end in hopes of throwing me off the one that I have seen all along, I have learned to never believe. Not to mention that I am stubborn that way. The more I find someone trying to convince me of something that I am not convinced of, the more I question their motives...they are usually up to no good!

I feel exactly the same way. JoJo and Ben being deeply in love was about as believable to me as Sam falling deeply in love with Neil in 2 weeks on MAFS! I never bought and will always wonder if this was just the TPTB way of making a story and Ben got talked into acting and saying he was in love with 2 women when I will never believe he was. I'm not saying he didn't have feelings for JoJo, but to me they were the same as I feel about my best beloved guy friends...JMHO

Alanna wrote:

relaxing wrote:I could totally see TPTB trying to have Jojo's ex on as a contestant because wasn't that what happened with her brother on RFL?  I think it was him that actually had an ex in his group of women.  TPTB haven't used that one before so I'm sure they'd love to "borrow" that idea for a new twist.  RFL was so low rated not many people would even know the parallel.

I think the ex would be all over this scenario. I can only hope mom + champagne bottle + those broskies will be featured heavily as well. That family was meant for fame, I'm sorry.

I was just gonna post that I couldn't wait to see dear Mommy drinking from the bottle again while dear Daddy stands by looking horrified by not having being able to get a glass to her in time knowing she had * forgotten * once again they were on TV...

Ladybug82 wrote:I don't think Calia was in on it (at least not originally), I could see TPTB leading her on like they did Arie and Nick.  Maybe in the end after being told it wasn't going to be her, she joined in on the foiler, kind of like Nick did with all the SM media hints he gave right before Ben was announced, to save face and lend support to Jojo.  Especially after having been on the receiving end of a lot of unnecessary (IMO) backlash herself.  

That being said, if I watch I will totally not be the least bit invested.  I can roll my eyes when Jojo begins acting a little too much for my taste, just sit back and enjoy the eye candy and join in on the please eliminate this guy group fun.  

JMOAA.

Don't forget to save my seat.... :Woah-hoo:

dedré wrote:I hope you are all wrong and they pick JUBILEE... sorry not sorry I like her a lot, to me there's not much difference to Caila and Jojo and the rest the girls to be honest on this season to me they are all the same so I don't get when people are like yay to jojo and nay to Caila... Like it's gonna be the same thing all over again! What would be different is Jubilee who is awkward, has flaws and owns up to them for better or worse it would be interesting on so many levels. Just wish they would just grow some ballzzz and cast her. It will never happen I know... But a girl can dream. This will be the second season of ette I don't watch. Didn't watch Kaitlyn and not that I hated her or whatever I just had Zero interest

I second that.  Jubilee would keep me interested and invested.  I just think they don't have the balls to choose her. So they have not announce yet who it is? I read the last page here and it is indicating it is not Caila? I am too tired to read the whole thread .

mindless wrote:

bluwavz wrote:For me it's just a matter of who I can relate to more, not who's real or fake. JoJo is a dominant woman and a guys' girl and I'm the complete opposite of that so I wasn't able to connect with her as well as the other women. Not that I'm so much like Caila but I was able to relate to her better in some ways. Lauren is probably the closest to my personality but she wasn't an option for the lead.

Is she though? Or is she just a self-assured person? She seems like a girls' girl too since many of the other women have raved about her and she was so close to Becca, who is very much a girls' girl. If you want to hear what Lauren H. has to say about her then go to 19:25 in the newest podcast here https://soundcloud.com/bachelor-podcast That is some seriously high praise. "The kindest, sweetest, most gentle person you'll ever meet in your life." Even Ben's mom liked her.

I don't know, I just sometimes feel like JoJo is a book being judged by its cover.

Then what is Caila?

The same thing applies to everyone. We all see what we see based on our own personal experiences, preferences, biases.

If JoJo is indeed the next bette, I fully expect to see MeAndi 2.0 come out full force.

Sprite wrote:

mindless wrote:

bluwavz wrote:For me it's just a matter of who I can relate to more, not who's real or fake. JoJo is a dominant woman and a guys' girl and I'm the complete opposite of that so I wasn't able to connect with her as well as the other women. Not that I'm so much like Caila but I was able to relate to her better in some ways. Lauren is probably the closest to my personality but she wasn't an option for the lead.

Is she though? Or is she just a self-assured person? She seems like a girls' girl too since many of the other women have raved about her and she was so close to Becca, who is very much a girls' girl. If you want to hear what Lauren H. has to say about her then go to 19:25 in the newest podcast here https://soundcloud.com/bachelor-podcast That is some seriously high praise. "The kindest, sweetest, most gentle person you'll ever meet in your life." Even Ben's mom liked her.

I don't know, I just sometimes feel like JoJo is a book being judged by its cover.

Then what is Caila?

The same thing applies to everyone. We all see what we see based on our own personal experiences, preferences, biases.

If JoJo is indeed the next bette, I fully expect to see MeAndi 2.0 come out full force.

Indeed it does, but while JoJo's cover reads "Rich family of famehos, brother has been on Ready For Love", Caila's reads "Accomplished, educated, artistic, deep, intellectual, globetrotter". I'm personally more interested in what comes across on TV than the image one's carefully constructed IG page paints, but that's just me. Caila's special snowflake -ness didn't really come across to me, at least not in a positive way. But that's JMO.

The Andi comparisons leave me scratching my head, because if I were to play a word association game...
Andi - Cold,          JoJo - Warm
Andi - Insecure,     JoJo - Confident
Andi - Neurotic,     JoJo - Relaxed

I could go on, but you get the point. JMOAA.

I've said this before, but it's Caila who reminds me of Andi. Daddy's little princess who has always been good at everything, who doesn't really know herself yet and hides behind a perma-grin until someone tries to see behind the mask and then she gets defensive. When Ben tried to dig deeper she snapped that she feels like she's being put on the spot. Defensive. I also don't think she's ever really had her heartbroken, much like Andi, so no guarantee she could put herself in the guys' position. That's just my impression of her.

mindless wrote:

Sprite wrote:

mindless wrote:

Is she though? Or is she just a self-assured person? She seems like a girls' girl too since many of the other women have raved about her and she was so close to Becca, who is very much a girls' girl. If you want to hear what Lauren H. has to say about her then go to 19:25 in the newest podcast here https://soundcloud.com/bachelor-podcast That is some seriously high praise. "The kindest, sweetest, most gentle person you'll ever meet in your life." Even Ben's mom liked her.

I don't know, I just sometimes feel like JoJo is a book being judged by its cover.

Then what is Caila?

The same thing applies to everyone. We all see what we see based on our own personal experiences, preferences, biases.

If JoJo is indeed the next bette, I fully expect to see MeAndi 2.0 come out full force.

Indeed it does, but while JoJo's cover reads "Rich family of famehos, brother has been on Ready For Love", Caila's reads "Accomplished, educated, artistic, deep, intellectual, globetrotter". I'm personally more interested in what comes across on TV than the image one's carefully constructed IG page paints, but that's just me. Caila's special snowflake -ness didn't really come across to me, at least not in a positive way. But that's JMO.

The Andi comparisons leave me scratching my head, because if I were to play a word association game...
Andi - Cold,          JoJo - Warm
Andi - Insecure,     JoJo - Confident
Andi - Neurotic,     JoJo - Relaxed

I could go on, but you get the point. JMOAA.

I've said this before, but it's Caila who reminds me of Andi. Daddy's little princess who has always been good at everything, who doesn't really know herself yet and hides behind a perma-grin until someone tries to see behind the mask and then she gets defensive. When Ben tried to dig deeper she snapped that she feels like she's being put on the spot. Defensive. I also don't think she's ever really had her heartbroken, much like Andi, so no guarantee she could put herself in the guys' position. That's just my impression of her.

mindless wrote:

Sprite wrote:

mindless wrote:

Is she though? Or is she just a self-assured person? She seems like a girls' girl too since many of the other women have raved about her and she was so close to Becca, who is very much a girls' girl. If you want to hear what Lauren H. has to say about her then go to 19:25 in the newest podcast here https://soundcloud.com/bachelor-podcast That is some seriously high praise. "The kindest, sweetest, most gentle person you'll ever meet in your life." Even Ben's mom liked her.

I don't know, I just sometimes feel like JoJo is a book being judged by its cover.

Then what is Caila?

The same thing applies to everyone. We all see what we see based on our own personal experiences, preferences, biases.

If JoJo is indeed the next bette, I fully expect to see MeAndi 2.0 come out full force.

Indeed it does, but while JoJo's cover reads "Rich family of famehos, brother has been on Ready For Love", Caila's reads "Accomplished, educated, artistic, deep, intellectual, globetrotter". I'm personally more interested in what comes across on TV than the image one's carefully constructed IG page paints, but that's just me. Caila's special snowflake -ness didn't really come across to me, at least not in a positive way. But that's JMO.

The Andi comparisons leave me scratching my head, because if I were to play a word association game...
Andi - Cold,          JoJo - Warm
Andi - Insecure,     JoJo - Confident
Andi - Neurotic,     JoJo - Relaxed

I could go on, but you get the point. JMOAA.

I've said this before, but it's Caila who reminds me of Andi. Daddy's little princess who has always been good at everything, who doesn't really know herself yet and hides behind a perma-grin until someone tries to see behind the mask and then she gets defensive. When Ben tried to dig deeper she snapped that she feels like she's being put on the spot. Defensive. I also don't think she's ever really had her heartbroken, much like Andi, so no guarantee she could put herself in the guys' position. That's just my impression of her.

You summed up my thoughts as well. The Andi and JoJo comparisons make zero sense to me. Andi doesn't have a sympathetic bone in her body. IMO

Girls from Andi's season (RS said he heard this too) said she was a part of the mean girls club and girls from JoJo's season have said JoJo is the most gentle, kind, caring, special and fun person they've ever met (Lauren Himle, Amanda and Jubilee said this). Sorry, but I just cannot see the Andi and JoJo comparison. The only comparison that could be made IMO is that they come from wealthy families. Pretty much everyone is JoJo's family works in the medical field. It's not like they didn't earn it. IMO

mindless wrote:

Sprite wrote:

mindless wrote:

Is she though? Or is she just a self-assured person? She seems like a girls' girl too since many of the other women have raved about her and she was so close to Becca, who is very much a girls' girl. If you want to hear what Lauren H. has to say about her then go to 19:25 in the newest podcast here https://soundcloud.com/bachelor-podcast That is some seriously high praise. "The kindest, sweetest, most gentle person you'll ever meet in your life." Even Ben's mom liked her.

I don't know, I just sometimes feel like JoJo is a book being judged by its cover.

Then what is Caila?

The same thing applies to everyone. We all see what we see based on our own personal experiences, preferences, biases.

If JoJo is indeed the next bette, I fully expect to see MeAndi 2.0 come out full force.

Indeed it does, but while JoJo's cover reads "Rich family of famehos, brother has been on Ready For Love", Caila's reads "Accomplished, educated, artistic, deep, intellectual, globetrotter". I'm personally more interested in what comes across on TV than the image one's carefully constructed IG page paints, but that's just me. Caila's special snowflake -ness didn't really come across to me, at least not in a positive way. But that's JMO.

The Andi comparisons leave me scratching my head, because if I were to play a word association game...
Andi - Cold,          JoJo - Warm
Andi - Insecure,     JoJo - Confident
Andi - Neurotic,     JoJo - Relaxed

I could go on, but you get the point. JMOAA.

I've said this before, but it's Caila who reminds me of Andi. Daddy's little princess who has always been good at everything, who doesn't really know herself yet and hides behind a perma-grin until someone tries to see behind the mask and then she gets defensive. When Ben tried to dig deeper she snapped that she feels like she's being put on the spot. Defensive. I also don't think she's ever really had her heartbroken, much like Andi, so no guarantee she could put herself in the guys' position. That's just my impression of her.

I totally agree on the bolded comparison.  Andi is my least fav Bachelorette ever and really one of my least fav people from the show in general.  I love Jojo and did from the start.  So for me no comparison beyond I guess they come from money.

Maybe Jojo is as the other girls described. She however IMO rather than mean might have come across as calculating (using opportunities to her advantage) Maybe in comparison to Andi

I'm enjoying all the Andi=BAD and Jojo=GOOD comparisons here because we don't even effectively know Jojo yet whatsoever and no one is all "cold" or all "warm" all the time imo. I'm guessing tide towards Jojo will change in general and expecially once she rejects Nick like the previous two ladies. I'm just assuming he'll show up as usual here, right on time.