The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

agentcurls wrote:Hmmmm....starting to wonder if whether the whole "please don't blindside me" edit is Ben doing no blindsiding but possibly letting JoJo go on arrival before their FS, a reverse-Brooks. Or maybe letting her go before RC after FS? Possibly because of what transpires during her HTD...
I don't think it's impossible that Ben takes Caila to F2. She is a real challenge for Ben and I can see how he would be taken with her.
JoJo as F3 (or F1) makes more sense to me than JoJo as F2 & I can't quite put my finger on it all.  

Exactly!! I've said it myself, that she "feels' like F3 more than F2. Like you, don't know why.

agentcurls wrote:Hmmmm....starting to wonder if whether the whole "please don't blindside me" edit is Ben doing no blindsiding but possibly letting JoJo go on arrival before their FS, a reverse-Brooks. Or maybe letting her go before RC after FS? Possibly because of what transpires during her HTD...
I don't think it's impossible that Ben takes Caila to F2. She is a real challenge for Ben and I can see how he would be taken with her.
JoJo as F3 (or F1) makes more sense to me than JoJo as F2 & I can't quite put my finger on it all.  

Has anyone considered that it could be Ben that gets blindsided? I'm 95% if will be an uneventful ending, but the blindsided theme got me wondering why they are emphasizing it. I mean, obviously the girls get blindsided, so that's just more of the same old. Imagine if "unloveable" Ben got blindsided. That would be a MF favorite!

They are making Lauren so obvious, complete with CH saying that with SM, they've just given up on hiding anything. I hope that isn't true!! Isn't MF even being quoted in tabloids on what happens with the ending? It's all kind of bizarre.

Maybe the blindside is Lauren didn't accept the proposal and only agreed to keep on dating? Just wild guess.

And did Ben admit he is engaged/in love during media round?
I remember some previous leads would admit they were in love or even engaged, cmiiw.

peggy0221 wrote:Maybe the blindside is Lauren didn't accept the proposal and only agreed to keep on dating?...did Ben admit he is engaged/in love during media round?

From what I recall Ben has only admitted to being "very happy" RS says Ben/Lauren are engaged. I think they're engaged and spend a lot of time together since Ben seems to be in LA most of the time JMO

JoJo is the first one IIRC to ask Ben not be be blindsided. I think she will be the focus of being blindsided when she is let go. We will see the heart wrenching elimination and moments later the happy You were always the One IMHO.

peggy0221 wrote:Maybe the blindside is Lauren didn't accept the proposal and only agreed to keep on dating? Just wild guess.

And did Ben admit he is engaged/in love during media round?
I remember some previous leads would admit they were in love or even engaged, cmiiw.

Yes, Lauren's been pretty grounded. I could see her saying let's wait on an engagement if Ben tells her he was also in love with another. I doubt Ben would fall apart over that though. Still, if MF got a no to a proposal, that would be a first.

grace8136 wrote:

peggy0221 wrote:Maybe the blindside is Lauren didn't accept the proposal and only agreed to keep on dating? Just wild guess.

And did Ben admit he is engaged/in love during media round?
I remember some previous leads would admit they were in love or even engaged, cmiiw.

Yes, Lauren's been pretty grounded. I could see her saying let's wait on an engagement if Ben tells her he was also in love with another. I doubt Ben would fall apart over that though. Still, if MF got a no to a proposal, that would be a first.

The Lauren I've seen so far, will 100% say yes to a proposal. Yes, she is grounded.

GuardianAngel wrote:JoJo is the first one IIRC to ask Ben not be be blindsided. I think she will be the focus of being blindsided when she is let go. We will see the heart wrenching elimination and moments later the happy You were always the One IMHO.

I think so too GA, I'm just throwing it out there as a remote possibility. I want Ben to be happy, but no sleuthing isn't making me happy.

Not nay-saying the outcome or spoiler or the undeniable LaurBen chemistry and love story, however...some things to ponder:

How long has it been since we've had a foiler and are we due for one?

Why does MF say it's his favorite season since Jason Mesnick's? Is it because something very unexpected happens that will shock the audience? Or is it because Ben & Lauren's love story is one for the ages? Or is it simply because he likes to watch nice people suffer immensely? (Ummmmm, yeah.)

Why all the 3/4 of a Mesnick references? What does that mean exactly? (I don't think it's a comellete switcheroo either)

Lauren seems to be telling Ben all he needs to hear and he is falling very hard, but have they built a solid foundation? I don't see the friendship first IN THE EDIT, like several of the other couples like Jason & Molly, Sean & Catherine, Chris & Des, even Ali & Frank (her intended F1). More often than not, F1 is more of a slow-burn than a hot flame. (Admittedly, I didn't watch Ben F, Brad 2.0, JuanPa, Andi, or FarmerChris seasons). Have they switched up this formula? 

It's true, we aren't seeing that same magnetic starry-eyed attraction between BenJo as LaurBen, but yet I am still seeing a great romance and a really nice friendship intimacy blossoming between these two. 
He has stated that he feels the most comfortable around her and most like himself. He also said "she makes me FEEL better about myself." 
JoJo has been very nurturing, much like Ben describes Mrs. Higgins. 
Maybe after JoJo lets her guard down, there are surprises in store? 

After the Chantal & Brooks foilers anything is possible with this franchise. I just remember some posters on here really building the case for Des & Chris and it turns out they were right all along. Im not saying I'm right in any of this, but just putting it out there as I find the Ben & JoJo edit an interesting one. 

Some have discussed the possibility of JoJo taking herself out at F3? Has that been done before on The Bachelor? MF would love that and so would all the female empowerment junkies out there. That would leave Caila as the F2 that Ben slips the ILY to & maybe they will make a case for that to occur moving forward? 

But yet still, there a few things that say Lauren is totally IT. He does act differently around Lauren, or at least it seems different in the EDIT. He's done a few special things for Lauren, too (the picture of thier first time together, the walk through Mex City).
And Lauren's SM activity or lack there of (no promos, guarded, detached) make the strongest case for her as F1 other than the spoiler.

Foiler was as recent as last season: Kaitlin chose no one. Snapchat changed that.

Kashathediva wrote:Foiler was as recent as last season: Kaitlin chose no one. Snapchat changed that.

I forgot about that one, Kasha! (I think I was trying to wipe that entire season from my memory).

Kashathediva wrote:Foiler was as recent as last season: Kaitlin chose no one. Snapchat changed that.

Maybe because they were unsuccessful with that one, they will try again soon?