The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 6 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

One thing I noted .. Ben shutting the door of the FRC from the opposite side...fwiw

albean99 wrote:It's a fake out. Here's what I think happens. They show him letting his f2 go. Then he talks about a mistake and wanting to keep her in his life. Then we hear him saying he's about to get down on one knee and ask someone to marry him. We then see him saying that he loves someone else. Those two don't go together. Then we see the ring and next him saying he'd have to say goodbye. That's to the f2 person and not his f1. We see him supposed to be letting his f1 go but it's just the same pic as before but it's been flipped. His pocket should be showing on his left side but it's not.



Sorry about the quality. I just took a pic of my tv but you can see where his pocket should be.

Good eye, I didn't catch that.

nothatgirl wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:

mindless wrote:Caila doesn't know what the hell she wants. She's acting like someone who has something to hide. I'm guessing it's the fact that she's not really into Ben at all. She feels understood after Ben just told her he has no idea who she is behind the smile and got even more confused when she started talking? Right. I really don't want another lead who has no idea what she wants. Andi was enough.

I don't believe Caila is going to be the lead and never have. This was her 2nd 1on1 and for casual viewers and SM viewers it was a confusing disaster, imo, and did nothing in gaining her fans - quite the opposite from what I see on SM.

I believe that TPTB will use this edit and when Caila is given the rose instead of Becca SM viewers will have backlash against that since even TB accounts have posted negatively about Caila and the bloggers tied to the show (Kristen Baldwin for Yahoo which CH writes for too) can't stand Caila. I think that they will then say, "well we tried to have a WOC" or whatever, but I think they are referring to Jubilee solely when they say that.

I believe that the top choice for lead is Amanda. Her edit is pretty much perfect. Her time spent with Ben tonight was all positive and non-drama. F4 is also a spot for leads in the past so I won't be surprised if she is in that spot and shown with her kiddies to even add to that.

I don't think it's going to be Caila either.

I think it's going to be Amanda or Jojo, and, unfortunately, I'm leaning towards it being Jojo. She's gotten way more screentime and they really seem to be setting her up as the heartbroken, blindsided one. Plus, she's technically a WOC (a fact they convientiently had her bring up in her bio). I don't think the fact she's f2 hurts her as they wanted Chantal and JJ said Becca was one of the four possibilities last year. JMO.

I can also see it being JoJo. MF has tweeted about her already so there is that. TPTB can do what they want at the end of the day but I have never thought it was going to be Caila and expected her edit to go this way and imo, and based on SM, it has and she has the least fans via SM viewers.

I think they have Amanda, JoJo, and Becca as options and likely will go with one of them. If F2 makes it difficult then I can see it being Amanda. She will get to shine on WTA as well and has had so far only a positive edit. JoJo's edit could be seen as not being ready and then being blindsided so not ready to be lead.

I've always felt I don't think it will be Caila. Her edit is not a Bette edit at all to me. Not with being mocked already by Yahoo who has an in with the show and CH. Also People Mag had a negative spin on Caila too from this episode. Add in that Caila wasn't even brought up on the very last Bachelor Live as a potential fit for Ben (obviously they couldn't bring up Lauren) I think that the show doesn't even have her in mind.

The only reason I thought it might be her was because of Fleiss's comments about it being a WOC. But, I forgot that he BS's like his life depends on it.

nothatgirl wrote:The only reason I thought it might be her was because of Fleiss's comments about it being a WOC. But, I forgot that he BS's like his life depends on it.  

I think he said that because it is something that was asked about and also because UnReal show has a MOC lead. I don't see Fleiss or anyone else EVER coming out and saying they won't have a WOC on if asked. It's the PC thing for them to say yes. But I will believe it when I see it.

I still think Caila's the most likely person for lead. Tonight didn't change a thing for me. I'd be okay with Jojo but she's still f2.

Just to add: I also think the show won't do the "Sex" (panther) theme again this year. Kaitlyn's season was all about that and they are not into repeating consecutive years so I think the next Bette season will be something more like Des' or Emily's.

After this episode I'm like, wait a minute, who's the villain? Leah that's who. I felt bad for Olivia because in all hearts of hearts she was most likely answering very leading questions and got caught up in the spiders web.

People Mag about Caila:

Caila gave a series of very strange answers with very long pauses like: "For me, right now, I feel like I love you ... but I don't know why I can't ... share. Maybe it's just that I'm not ready," and the crown jewel: "I feel like my greatest fear is that I can't totally completely fall in love with somebody. And part of me is afraid because your greatest fear is being unlovable, and my greatest fear might be breaking your heart. It doesn't feel right. It feels like I'm going to hurt you."

"I know that I'm falling in love because I feel like I'm being understood," Caila continued (which was funny, because Ben had never looked more confused). "I want to feel understood. And I feel like I understand you in a deeper way. Just in who you are as a person. I feel like you want other people to be loved. And that resonates with me, and that's what I'm looking for in life. I feel like I want you in my life and I feel happy," – Does anybody talk like this in real life? This was like Pinterest quotes gone wrong.


http://www.people.com/article/bachelor-recap-ben-higgins-shocking-week-6-eliminations?

When People Mag who has an in with the show is mocking Caila and comparing her to "Pinterest quotes gone wrong" and the editor for People Mag (Kate Coyne) likes a tweet that says "Caila is fake AF"?

IMO, Caila has zero chance of being next lead.

Things change from week to week so doubt the People mag has any effect on whether Caila is the next lead or not. Ben may have called her a sex panther but Caila's doesn't come across anything like Kaitlyn imo. I'm sure her season would be just fine. I'd be okay with Jojo also but am thinking she's going to have her heart broken by Ben.

I was really disappointed in Leah. She lied to Ben and also Lauren and the others. At this point she may want to do BIP to try to improve her image.

I loved the pig date. It cracked me up.

Idlemess wrote:After this episode I'm like, wait a minute, who's the villain? Leah that's who. I felt bad for Olivia because in all hearts of hearts she was most likely answering very leading questions and got caught up in the spiders web.

I agree. I just think that her combination of being social awkward, confident, and most likely, a bit more intellectual than the others made her a target. Add some exaggerated facial expressions and ominous music and you have a villain! Nothing she did came close to the Courtney's or Kelsey's or Tierra's of Bachelor history, IMO.

Caila has the most airtime and has the least fans (SM) of F5. She also has the most negative response by People Mag out of F5.

I do believe that People Mag is in the know and always has with who the potential leads are and will not be (during the show) be negative about a contestant (who had a 2nd 1on1 date) unless they know something, imo. They have shown over the years that they have an in with the show and Kate, the editor herself, was on BIP last year.