The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
I didn't like how Ben was on BL that is for sure.
But... since Kaitlyn's season I will say I have seen TPTB really cracking down on things it seems... so I won't be surprised if things have changed a bit from CS's season with what Ben is and isn't allowed to say and I've noticed the producers are tweeting and posting on SM more than ever before.
Plus Bachelor Live is the first season ever and so is part of the ongoing edit of the show and selling a storyboard. They even have thier guests choose winners (tonight they said Becca, Amanda, and JoJo are perfect for Ben so they purposefully left the F1 out the equation and to "sell" that to the viewers) and polls that say viewers all want Ben to take back the rose he gave Olivia (so again, selling Olivia as the villain).
Not to mention, JoJo's RS tweet that Caila liked was deleted (and Mills following JoJo and Caila immediately when JoJo tweeted RS) and then Sharleen posting about being contacted by producer's about her Olivia content in her blog and her saying she wasn't allowed to talk about things.
I think this is all evidence of TPTB controlling things more than ever. No surprise after last season upset foiler and that there likely isn't one now.
But... since Kaitlyn's season I will say I have seen TPTB really cracking down on things it seems... so I won't be surprised if things have changed a bit from CS's season with what Ben is and isn't allowed to say and I've noticed the producers are tweeting and posting on SM more than ever before.
Plus Bachelor Live is the first season ever and so is part of the ongoing edit of the show and selling a storyboard. They even have thier guests choose winners (tonight they said Becca, Amanda, and JoJo are perfect for Ben so they purposefully left the F1 out the equation and to "sell" that to the viewers) and polls that say viewers all want Ben to take back the rose he gave Olivia (so again, selling Olivia as the villain).
Not to mention, JoJo's RS tweet that Caila liked was deleted (and Mills following JoJo and Caila immediately when JoJo tweeted RS) and then Sharleen posting about being contacted by producer's about her Olivia content in her blog and her saying she wasn't allowed to talk about things.
I think this is all evidence of TPTB controlling things more than ever. No surprise after last season upset foiler and that there likely isn't one now.
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
LaurenHiggins wrote:Thinking back to the Jimmy Kimmel interview, when he predicted Jojo as the winner, Ben's smile was contagious, as soon as her name was mentioned. It seemed like he was genuinely happy for some reason/didn't seem like just an act. I can't help but notice that Ben looks more happy when asked about Jojo in interviews than when asked about Lauren. It makes me wonder if he still has feelings for her.
I did not get such impression, but it's good to see different points of view
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
AllAboutLove wrote:I didn't like how Ben was on BL that is for sure.
But... since Kaitlyn's season I will say I have seen TPTB really cracking down on things it seems... so I won't be surprised if things have changed a bit from CS's season with what Ben is and isn't allowed to say and I've noticed the producers are tweeting and posting on SM more than ever before.
Plus Bachelor Live is the first season ever and so is part of the ongoing edit of the show and selling a storyboard. They even have thier guests choose winners (tonight they said Becca, Amanda, and JoJo are perfect for Ben so they purposefully left the F1 out the equation and to "sell" that to the viewers) and polls that say viewers all want Ben to take back the rose he gave Olivia (so again, selling Olivia as the villain).
Not to mention, JoJo's RS tweet that Caila liked was deleted (and Mills following JoJo and Caila immediately when JoJo tweeted RS) and then Sharleen posting about being contacted by producer's about her Olivia content in her blog and her saying she wasn't allowed to talk about things.
I think this is all evidence of TPTB controlling things more than ever. No surprise after last season upset foiler and that there likely isn't one now.
what kind of tweet was that?
limoncello- Posts : 569
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
^ It's in JoJo's thread I believe but she tweeted back to RS when he said he was in the same location as him and saying "hi".
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
I did not like the way Ben handled himself on tonights episode or the After Show.
I thought Ben was rude in how he got rid of Jubilee. He got his inflated Ego bruised when she would not hold his hand. Obviously this is cause for dismissal because every other gal there is begging for their turn at tonsil hockey. Jubilee definitely had an attitude but her concerns and fears were valid. minus 10 Ben
On the After Show Ben not defending Olivia over the bad breath comment showed me a lack of class and gentlemanly behavior on Ben's part. Olivia has taken a beating in media NO NEED to make it about personal attributes. minus 100 Ben
The preview of the ILY's and the crying send off are not encouraging. I felt it was not funny that Ben pantomimed stabbing himself in the heart during the "my perfect ex" rendition. I don't care how confident a woman is....who wants to marry someone who thinks they are in love with someone else as well and is still pining over that loss. I felt that Ben appeared out of sorts. Either way I have sympathy for Lauren and JoJo. Hopefully it is all edit and No reality.
I feel that as the season progresses Ben is becoming much less Ah Shucks Humble Ben and Much More I Believe All My Press Bachelor Ben/10.
I'm betting having so many women fawning all over him is turning his head big time. I also find the overly nice your all so great talk...now kiss me....boring. ZZZZZZZ I wish we could fast forward to Warsaw.
Ben took a tumble in the ratings for me this week.
The lack of maturity and life experience is showing on this entire season with soooo many of the cast.
JMO
I thought Ben was rude in how he got rid of Jubilee. He got his inflated Ego bruised when she would not hold his hand. Obviously this is cause for dismissal because every other gal there is begging for their turn at tonsil hockey. Jubilee definitely had an attitude but her concerns and fears were valid. minus 10 Ben
On the After Show Ben not defending Olivia over the bad breath comment showed me a lack of class and gentlemanly behavior on Ben's part. Olivia has taken a beating in media NO NEED to make it about personal attributes. minus 100 Ben
The preview of the ILY's and the crying send off are not encouraging. I felt it was not funny that Ben pantomimed stabbing himself in the heart during the "my perfect ex" rendition. I don't care how confident a woman is....who wants to marry someone who thinks they are in love with someone else as well and is still pining over that loss. I felt that Ben appeared out of sorts. Either way I have sympathy for Lauren and JoJo. Hopefully it is all edit and No reality.
I feel that as the season progresses Ben is becoming much less Ah Shucks Humble Ben and Much More I Believe All My Press Bachelor Ben/10.
I'm betting having so many women fawning all over him is turning his head big time. I also find the overly nice your all so great talk...now kiss me....boring. ZZZZZZZ I wish we could fast forward to Warsaw.
Ben took a tumble in the ratings for me this week.
The lack of maturity and life experience is showing on this entire season with soooo many of the cast.
JMO
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
Great post, Seabear!
Nick on afterbuzz dissected the jubilee situation perfectly saying it was a d*ck move from Ben. I also agree that it seems like Ben is starting to buy into his own hype a little too much lately. This is why I hate when leads or contestants are put on pedestals.
And, yes, the age of the cast is definitely showing. I really hope that this doesn't become a trend to have 23-25 y/o's casts.
Nick on afterbuzz dissected the jubilee situation perfectly saying it was a d*ck move from Ben. I also agree that it seems like Ben is starting to buy into his own hype a little too much lately. This is why I hate when leads or contestants are put on pedestals.
And, yes, the age of the cast is definitely showing. I really hope that this doesn't become a trend to have 23-25 y/o's casts.
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
Just watching the episode right now. Could it be any longer? This is such a snoozefest and I can't wait for Olivia to be gone, it can't come soon enough
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
ITA, he's getting a bit too comfortable with the press and celebs fawning over him.
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
I didn't want to be disappointed hence I just didn't jump on th bandwagon of the perfect ten (Ben), heck no one is and leads as much as they are likable in the beginning become less so as the season unfolds.
Best to not put any of these contestants on a pedestal.
I will have to watch it later today to see for myself how Ben is falling from a perfect 10 Ben to minus 100 Ben @Seabear
Best to not put any of these contestants on a pedestal.
I will have to watch it later today to see for myself how Ben is falling from a perfect 10 Ben to minus 100 Ben @Seabear
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
I also watched the interactions between JoJo and Ben closely and IMO, I think he definitely enjoys kissing her but I don't see an emotional connection. In both scences with her, his leg is acting like a barriere between them, and during their conversation at the group date, it didn't even seem as if he was listening to her or even looking at her. Maybe they are not showing us their connection but that is how I see things so far.
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
I think JoJo showed a bit of scheming/manipulative side when she pounced on him after he dumped Jubilee. 'Oh poor you, it must be painful to have let her go, now let's make out!'
Ben is so obvious about LaurenB, that TPBP are pushing the 'in love with two women' angle already.
I think the 5 weeks of drama and smoothing the ladies issues is getting to Ben, which was one reason he was so short with Jubilee.
Ben is so obvious about LaurenB, that TPBP are pushing the 'in love with two women' angle already.
I think the 5 weeks of drama and smoothing the ladies issues is getting to Ben, which was one reason he was so short with Jubilee.
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
The only good thing about that entire episode was the two second Ben and Lauren scenes.
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