The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

^ must have had "next villainess" plot line planned to kick in as Olivia was getting in reject van

Seabear wrote:It is hard to watch.  This is with a few exceptions a very immature and insecure cast.  I am freaked out be the appalling grammar of most of the cast and the repetitive use of "Like and Um."  I wish these people had a basic grasp of the English language and had passed a few Vocabulary tests.  
Caila actually seems to be educated in this arena.  I enjoy listening to her speak.
Olivia's vocabulary is okay but talking about herself in the 3rd person....just No.
Most of the rest....abysmal.  
Add the incessant Drama and when does this season end??
Those who haven't are you excited to watch now??  

JMO

I too think only Caila and Olivia are better at articulating their feelings, JoJo is okay too. And maybe Jen is good too, but we see so little of her.

Most of the girls this season seems to be surface level only, the conversations are boring, without any depth most of the times.

peggy0221 wrote:

Seabear wrote:It is hard to watch.  This is with a few exceptions a very immature and insecure cast.  I am freaked out be the appalling grammar of most of the cast and the repetitive use of "Like and Um."  I wish these people had a basic grasp of the English language and had passed a few Vocabulary tests.  
Caila actually seems to be educated in this arena.  I enjoy listening to her speak.
Olivia's vocabulary is okay but talking about herself in the 3rd person....just No.
Most of the rest....abysmal.  
Add the incessant Drama and when does this season end??
Those who haven't are you excited to watch now??  

JMO

I too think only Caila and Olivia are better at articulating their feelings, JoJo is okay too. And maybe Jen is good too, but we see so little of her.

Most of the girls this season seems to be surface level only, the conversations are boring, without any depth most of the times.

LOL. It's a good thing Ian wasn't the Bachelor this season.

sophienette wrote:

peggy0221 wrote:

mysthelma wrote:Am very indifferent about Lauren B, sure Ben seems to gravitate towards her and his connections with her seem the strongest but I haven't quite figured her out yet.

i also the vibe she sensoring herself and that i haven't gotten to know the real Lauren B.

You said it best, she sensors herself. I think this is why I think she is calculated and never comes across as genuine. I don't think she is a bad person, but I want to see a REAL person, doesn't matter whether it is sweet, mean, bitchy, flirty, whatever, I want to see her REAL personality instead of a beautiful facade.

I think it is a big leap to assume she is sensoring herself... Isnt TPTB doing that? How do we know she is?

I should have said IMO.
I edited my original post, if this is what bothers you.

From the ratings list, it appears that most people watch the episode, but not the Bachelor Live. They really need to get rid of it. It's boring, imho. I don't need to see CS on my TV every week, thank you very much...or Mama Kardashian for that matter.

Mommyof1 wrote:From the ratings list, it appears that most people watch the episode, but not the Bachelor Live.  They really need to get rid of it.  It's boring, imho.  I don't need to see CS on my TV every week, thank you very much...or Mama Kardashian for that matter.  

Castle returns next week so this was the last week of Bach Live. It was just a filler show.

Any idea who tries to rat out which frontrunner?

I'm thinking Leah is the one who is worried on the group date and sneaks over to his place.

relaxing wrote:

limoncello wrote:on Ben's promise to Jojo about not being blindsided, I didn't see is as any major hint, though I understand how many perceive it that way.

I simply understood it as Ben telling her he would always be honest about his feelings towards her, which I think he is and he will. In a "I really really like you but I'm here to explore other relationships as well" kind of way - they both know that going into this show.
Leading her on would be hinting her how she's the one without actually meaning it, which he doesn't do. and I think as time will progress, she will easily notice the connection of him with Lauren

I have to say that we don't know this at all yet and based on the preview if he tells JoJo "I love you" but she's F2, that's a pretty big blindside/lead-on.  JMO.

In the video that I saw on the after show , it seems he tell one girl "I do love you" and the other" I know im in love with you" . My take is he is telling JoJo that he loves her (as a friend , as a person) but it's Lauren B that he's in love with. jmo

Guys, he said on Bach live "he fell in love with two women" whether that was a lie or not... I'm pretty sure that's what was meant while filming the show..

peggy0221 wrote:

mysthelma wrote:Am very indifferent about Lauren B, sure Ben seems to gravitate towards her and his connections with her seem the strongest but I haven't quite figured her out yet.

i also the vibe she sensoring herself and that i haven't gotten to know the real Lauren B.

You said it best, IMO, she sensors herself.

I think this is why I think she is calculated and never comes across as genuine. I don't think she is a bad person, but I want to see a REAL person, doesn't matter whether it is sweet, mean, bitchy, flirty, whatever, I want to see her REAL personality instead of a beautiful facade.

Yes I agree again! Be real please! If she cannot show me who she really is, I assume she has something to hide. I also often see her looking at the camera at least once per episode. To me that indicates being overly cautious and self censoring. The only other girl this season who does that (but not as often) is Amanda. As more proof of Lauren not showing who she is as a person IMO, is her repressed SM. If I'm wrong and she is being real, then I see zero personality.  :Nod:

So many people are really inactive on social media. That tells nothing about their personality or that they have some sort of secrets. And looking at the cameras is pretty normal for people who aren't used to having cameras around them 24/7. There are tons of people buzzing around them, it's realle easy to get distracted by it, it doesn't make you shady.

Also good on Lauren for being aware of how she acts, isn't that a positive thing? That doesn't mean someone is fake, it means they're aware not all actions or speech is sppropriate on a tv show millions of people watch. If this is in fact what she's doing.

rhondam wrote:

peggy0221 wrote:

mysthelma wrote:Am very indifferent about Lauren B, sure Ben seems to gravitate towards her and his connections with her seem the strongest but I haven't quite figured her out yet.

i also the vibe she sensoring herself and that i haven't gotten to know the real Lauren B.

You said it best, IMO, she sensors herself.

I think this is why I think she is calculated and never comes across as genuine. I don't think she is a bad person, but I want to see a REAL person, doesn't matter whether it is sweet, mean, bitchy, flirty, whatever, I want to see her REAL personality instead of a beautiful facade.

Yes I agree again! Be real please! If she cannot show me who she really is, I assume she has something to hide. I also often see her looking at the camera at least once per episode. To me that indicates being overly cautious and self censoring. The only other girl this season who does that (but not as often) is Amanda. As more proof of Lauren not showing who she is as a person IMO, is her repressed SM. If I'm wrong and she is being real, then I see zero personality.  :Nod:

You guys have nailed it. I don't know whether she's being fake or she's really just that bland.