The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 3 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

IMO the only reason Amber is on the season at all is to stir the pot. It's almost as if she's embedded with the girls but it a tool of production.

IA jcrbil, and IMO she's doing a bad acting job trying to appear like she's stirring the pot. How many times have they bleeped her out? A few times already.

When does she go again?

Do we actually know that the other women knew about Jubilee's fear of heights? If she hadn't told them, they all may have assumed...like I did...that due to her military service she didn't have any issues in that department.

I don't have an issue with how Caila responded to the questions, but I do have an issue with Amber trying to round up a posse to confront Jubilee. She knows how this show works. She no doubt knows that Ben has zero interest in her by now, so she is just ganging up on someone to get more camera time. Not to mention, one of my pet peeves is when I tell people to just leave me alone so I can decompress/think about things and they just won't leave me alone. I will talk to you when I am good and ready. Until then, just STHU!!!.

jcrbil wrote:IMO the only reason Amber is on the season at all is to stir the pot.  It's almost as if she's embedded with the girls but it a tool of production.

And this could be why she was added as the second returnee. Tptb either knew Becca wouldn't or they wanted to keep the heat off of her, so in comes Amber willing to do their bidding for some more camera time. That may also explain how she lasted as long as she did.

I always felt Amber was kind of a nasty person. She made some pretty rude comments about Ashley onion on her Instagram, while on  BIP and got really snippy and arrogant with people who posted on her twitter. To me, she tries to portray herself as someone she's not, but doesn't do a very good job at hiding  her true self . I'm sure it must burn to have been on this show THREE times and still be completely irrelevant. I find her attitude to be low class and just kinda skeevy.

Dog&pheonix wrote:I always felt Amber was kind of a nasty person. She made some pretty rude comments about Ashley onion on her Instagram, while on  BIP and got really snippy and arrogant with people who posted on her twitter. To me, she tries to portray herself as someone she's not, but doesn't do a very good job at hiding  her true self . I'm sure it must burn to have been on this show THREE times and still be completely irrelevant. I find her attitude to be low class and just kinda skeevy.

IA. I honestly can't stand her. I had no problem with her on Chris's season, but she was such a desperate negative nancy on BIP after Dan wasn't impressed by her making out with Justin just to make him jealous or whatever. All she's done so far this season as well is whine about how she still hasn't gotten a chance to talk to Ben and blaming whoever has for it. She knows full well she's the bottom of the barrel in that house, yet she's too desperate for screen time to even considering leaving. Seems even a GD rose can't pull her out of the negativity she so enjoys. I couldn't care less what Jubilee supposedly did to deserve some stupid talking to, she'll still come out looking better than the people going after her. I immediately take a liking to the "villains" who don't stoop the level of these high school drama queens. The reason I started liking Nick is that he made the other guys look like idiots by not being bothered by their silly attempts at drama. They're all supposed to be adults after all.

nothatgirl wrote:I understand, but if I had been asked that question it would have simply been "I think that Jubilee was just joking because she was scared. I'm sure she's excited to spend time with Ben!" Sharleen once said in her blog that the girls always knew when producers were trying to get them to trash another girl; if they wanted to show kindness and consideration for that girl, they always knew how to avoid saying anything bad. So, I just don't buy that as an excuse. Take Becca last season who never said a negative word about anyone!

I don't think this makes Caila a horrible person or anything, but it just made me roll my eyes because it just shows how caught up she (and some of the others girls) are in the bubble.

Playing devil's advocate per the bolded: 
Then TPTB go back with that answer and word their question another way. If they don't get the answer they want still they will ask again another way until they get something they want. If they still don't get what they want, later in filming they will have that cast person put on clothes needed in that time sequence and start again to get the ITM they want. Sometimes it's not as simple as what we see on tv. 
Sharleen was eliminated before the F3. She knows tricks played on her and not so much some of the finer sneakier things done on more integral players. Sharleen was not integral to drama or much to push her season along other than being another nice but MAT girl. She may be very likable, but that is all she was a ending MAT girl.

Becca's on her second season and still hasn't said a negative word about anyone. There's only so much the producers can do. If you don't think negative judgemental thoughts then they're unlikely to come out of your mouth as well. JMO.

A sneak peek of his date with Jubilee.....

http://www.people.com/article/bachelor-ben-higgins-jubilee-caviar-date-exclusive-sneak-peek?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag

That's cute! They have more of a friend vibe, but I like how nervous he makes her. I also love Ben's laugh. And the sexual innuendo - "I love hot dogs" - is ridiculous.

I finally caught up on all the videos. I like Jubilee but offering up her date wasn't a good move. It wouldn't have been so bad if she didn't seem serious. The offensive comment was dumb but other than that it didn't bother me that some of the girls didn't like her saying that. Truthfully I didn't either. I was a little surprised that Caila was singled out once I saw her very mild comment.

albean99 wrote:I finally caught up on all the videos. I like Jubilee but offering up her date wasn't a good move. It wouldn't have been so bad if she didn't seem serious. The offensive comment was dumb but other than that it didn't bother me that some of the girls didn't like her saying that. Truthfully I didn't either. I was a little surprised that Caila was singled out once I saw her very mild comment.

She will be over analysed, as will Amanda, due to their potential B/ette positions!