Re: Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - #9

by stuckinsc Wed May 11, 2016 10:42 pm

Knowing just how ugly their relationship, I actually give Josh a break for a little acting out. Maybe it was easier to date someone young who had not learned to be a lying deceptive b*tch yet. And hey famously single looks trashy, but it was like an extended vacation to purge the she beast from his life for good. I got nothing on the tweets, they are both idiots on SM. Maybe? JMO.

by kimberlyg Wed May 11, 2016 11:28 pm

Let's wait a bit on saying that Josh took the high road in all of this until "Famously Single" starts airing. Because it's certainly possible that he aired out plenty of dirty laundry himself. That and it's totally believable that he'd act like a jerk and use words like that. Dude definitely has a temper.

Yes, he did have a right to be upset about being lied to. His mistake was that he should have either 1) gotten over it; or 2) broken up with her if it was a deal breaker. Sticking around and holding it over her head was wrong (if that's what actually happened). Not being able to let go of the sex, when you know the premise of the show, was also dumb. But the lying is all on Andi.

by Guest Wed May 11, 2016 11:39 pm

Did I not read that he wanted to break up but she did not want to? If this is true she is the one that did not want to let go and she's still bitter about it all. Not a good look.

by Bubblebunny Thu May 12, 2016 1:17 am

I don't blame Josh for being frustrated in this gross situation. That said, I found his response to be a bit sanctimonious.

by **Linds911** Thu May 12, 2016 2:25 am

stuckinsc wrote:
Linds911 wrote:Yes I feel for Josh that she lied but when he said that he would have ended it long before Jan 2015 why did he apologize to her after their fight in NYC & keep their relationship going until then? (US Weekly article excerpt)
Wasn't the Kleinfelders NY trip in September? Or was that the Decker party?

I think Josh had his own stupid pride. He was only going to say ILY one more time and only get engaged once. He gave it a huge effort, including ignoring his family for her. They both acted stupidly, key difference Andi is telling all and Josh has not (if he does on Famously Single then I will take it all back). Added the hypocrisy of her telling Nick asking the question was wrong, yeah writing about all this is wrong.

I think MM thought Andi was a strong ATL woman and she and Josh would be Atlanta Housewife royalty. I like the Murrays, but I think MM pushed both Aaron and Josh to get into relationships with the wrong women a little too hard. She seems to have learned, Stephanie's BC has seemed to disappear without drama or mess.

I do blame Andi for the bulk of their issues, if you can't be honest, then you should leave the situation. Josh was a brute about a lot of things after the show, but I think he was trying his very best to keep his promise while slowly going a little crazy never knowing what was lies and what was the truth. JMO.

Yes they were both in September. After the Decker party is when I noticed something was up, he changed his SM pics and stopped all the lovey dovey IG posts. Of course they kept being a "happy couple" so I didn't think anything was wrong! hmmm

Agree with you about MM. Still think it's fishy how she praised both girls, engagements and break-ups happened months apart.

by Cocoasneeze Thu May 12, 2016 3:25 am

sosleepy wrote:I think she had every right as The Bachelorette to sleep with #25. That's what both she and #26 signed up for. He was in no place - as a contestant- to demand she not or to call her a whore over it. That's just yuck. If he can't handle it, well, there is the door. That being said, why on God's green earth did she lie about it? Andi, you are on film. What a dumba$$ move. The minute she lied, they were doomed. And THAT Josh had every right to be angry and upset about, not that she actually explored a relationship with #25. Lots of leads have feelings for/do things with other contestants. Des, Kaitlyn and Ben are 3 recent leads who all understood and knew that they had to be brutally honest from the ready. And what do you know? All of their respective F1's were, as a result, able to trust and move on. Stupid Andi. Dumb move.

I agree with this all. Any lead is allowed to explore all the relationships they build on the show, and not get trashed for it. That is the premise of the show. The lead however owes it to their F1 to tell them what went on during the show, not lie about it. Telling the truth doesn't necessarily have to happen during the show, but as soon as the cameras go off, the F1 deserves honesty. Jmo.

by Joshswife Thu May 12, 2016 8:10 am

We don't know when Josh told MM about her sleeping with Nick, If he didn't find out until just before ATFR it's possible that they didn't tell her until even later. That would likely have changed his parents Opinion of Andi

I have a feeling his brother was a battle over a prenup or his desires to have one and hers to not. Judging by how fast she jumped on another professional athlete it's safe to say she wants to be taken care of.

Linds911 wrote:
stuckinsc wrote:
Linds911 wrote:Yes I feel for Josh that she lied but when he said that he would have ended it long before Jan 2015 why did he apologize to her after their fight in NYC & keep their relationship going until then? (US Weekly article excerpt)
Wasn't the Kleinfelders NY trip in September? Or was that the Decker party?

I think Josh had his own stupid pride. He was only going to say ILY one more time and only get engaged once. He gave it a huge effort, including ignoring his family for her. They both acted stupidly, key difference Andi is telling all and Josh has not (if he does on Famously Single then I will take it all back). Added the hypocrisy of her telling Nick asking the question was wrong, yeah writing about all this is wrong.

I think MM thought Andi was a strong ATL woman and she and Josh would be Atlanta Housewife royalty. I like the Murrays, but I think MM pushed both Aaron and Josh to get into relationships with the wrong women a little too hard. She seems to have learned, Stephanie's BC has seemed to disappear without drama or mess.

I do blame Andi for the bulk of their issues, if you can't be honest, then you should leave the situation. Josh was a brute about a lot of things after the show, but I think he was trying his very best to keep his promise while slowly going a little crazy never knowing what was lies and what was the truth. JMO.

Yes they were both in September. After the Decker party is when I noticed something was up, he changed his SM pics and stopped all the lovey dovey IG posts. Of course they kept being a "happy couple" so I didn't think anything was wrong!

Agree with you about MM. Still think it's fishy how she praised both girls, engagements and break-ups happened months apart.

by mindless Thu May 12, 2016 8:53 am

I really can't stand either of these idiots. I still find it funny how accurately #25 described them in that phone call on the plane.

How stupid do you have to be to lie about something that big? I get that she might've panicked, but it was gonna come out eventually and you just can't start a relationship under false pretenses. That never works. She's unbelievably immature for her age. That said, staying in a relationship where you can't trust the other person is also idiotic and no one forced Josh to do that. Obviously there's more pressure than usual with this show though, since it's such a public relationship.

Did I get this right that Andi implied Josh didn't want her to go back to work? I thought he was making those tense faces everytime she brought it up because he knew she was lying about wanting to go back to being a lawyer. Was it really because he didn't want her to or was it because he didn't want her to start whatever new "career" she was dreaming of at the time? If someone reads this wreck then please clarify.

by Ash2214 Thu May 12, 2016 9:27 am

Considering she still hasn't returned to work, I tend to think he wasn't thrilled that she wasn't doing anything and I think their ideas of work were two different things. I don't think he was happy that she was just kind of floating and waiting for something to come to her. In the 9 months that they were together, all she did was make an ugly, run of the mill tshirt while Josh actually worked two jobs for most of the time that they were together.

I also don't think that Andi was thrilled that Josh seemingly didn't want to go to random events to get paid for them. They mostly did charity events, which I believe is what Josh wanted or at least that's how it seemed in interviews. I think she was hoping Josh would be willing to flaunt their relationship for cash, but it never seemed like he really wanted to.

by **Sprite** Thu May 12, 2016 12:28 pm

Joshswife wrote:We don't know when Josh told MM about her sleeping with Nick, If he didn't find out until just before ATFR it's possible that they didn't tell her until even later. That would likely have changed his parents Opinion of Andi

I have a feeling his brother was a battle over a prenup or his desires to have one and hers to not. Judging by how fast she jumped on another professional athlete it's safe to say she wants to be taken care of.

Regarding the bolded, I don't think Josh told his parents because from what I remember his mother was doing a charity fundraiser during the night of the AFTR and from all accounts was rather embarrassed when F2 spilled the beans. Now she might have known and still held the party and just wasn't expecting Nick to kiss and tell, but I think she had still been very supportive up to that point and I doubt she would have been so happy had she known.

by sosleepy Thu May 12, 2016 3:23 pm

^^ I've always thought MM was waaaaay too emotionally involved in that situation. I don't see why she should even be required an explanation for Andi's bedroom activities with others while on THE BACHELORETTE - with 25 suitors - the premise of the show. All she needs to know is Josh was picked, they were together and engaged. Support or don't, but she wasn't owed an explanation for Andi exploring relationships with others. That's what all these adults signed up for. The whole Murray family dynamic is just odd to me. Too personally invested with each other - to the extreme.

by bleuberry Thu May 12, 2016 3:26 pm

Thank you sosleepy. laugh out loud

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