Bachelor - Bachelorette - Statistics - NO Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

GuardianAngel wrote: snipped

ChrisS and Ben both sat in the same seat as Luke.





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Aunties_Love wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:F3 always gets the monkey shots

F2 in Lindsey in Sean's season got the monkeys on the beach in Thailand, I thought.

Catching up. @Aunties_Love

I don't remember that, but I was thinking Kaitlyn had monkey's and now Chase had monkeys.

Just out of curiosity, who was the contestant on a date with I think Ashley, that was sitting on a bench and a dog came along and peed on their balloon? Sorry, can't remember exact details. Just wondering if that was a F3 as well.

Here's this for ya GA!

GuardianAngel wrote:Right! Another F3 gets an animal in their FS epi!

OT - BTW he's happily married to a gorgeous girl and they have a baby girl named Olive who if IRC was born around the same time as Fordy.

Here's stats for you all for the F1's RC order from the episode before HTD's to the FD's  IMO, it's not an ABSOLUTE 100% pattern, but there are more seasons with the F1 getting their rose 2nd during the FD rc than not.

Aunties_Love wrote:

reason wrote:For future reference the person that the Bachelorette gives the FIR almost always win, BUT the bachelor FIR never wins.

FWIW, went back through my stats and found the stuff......Here's the stats on the FIR rose placements per season



BACH
S8 = F4
9=F3
10=F9
11=F2
12=F3
13=F8
14=F2
15=F10
16=F2
17=NONE
18=F6
19=F5
20=F9

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BETTE

3=F7
4=F1, F3
5=F11
6=F1
7=F5
8=F6
9=F2, F4, F5, F9, F10, F17
10=F2
11=F1
12=F1

Aunties_Love wrote:snipped
I can't seem to find the stats thread, but then again I am tired so here's the stats for both questions above:

ReneeM wrote:This discussion made me curious so I went all the way back to Ashley's season to check & I made a table



Of the 12 seasons (incl. bachelor & 'ette), the F1 has either been on all the dates or missed an episode 2 date 11/12 times.& the F1 hasn't missed a date later than episode 2 since Ben F's season.

Ladybug82 wrote:Here's are all our F1's, their 1:1s and HTD orders from our archives.  I didn't go back any further than that.  If further back is needed, someone else will have to dig.    If I typed something wrong or missed something, feel free to add to or let me know and I'll edit and add.

Ette's:
Jordan (week 5,7 1:1s, 4th HTD)
Shawn (week 5)
Josh (week 5,7 1:1s, 4th HTD)
Chris (week 5,7, 3rd HTD) Brooks (1,7 4th HTD)
Jef (week 5,7 1:1s, 2nd HTD)
J.P. (week 3,6 1:1s, 3rd HTD)

Bach:
Vanessa (week 3, 7 1:1s, 4th HTD)
Lauren (week 3,7 1:1s, 4th HTD)
Whitney (week 3,7 :1s, 4th HTD)
Nikki (week 5,7 1:1s, 2nd HTD)
Catherine (week 6 1:1s, 2nd HTD)
Courtney (week 2, 7 1:1s, 4th HTD)

sdmom wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:I'm looking forward to hearing her explanation as to why she gives Bryan the GDR since we didn't see any reason why he should receive it.

I wonder if previous F1's received the GDR just before their 1:1. Something we should add to stat's for future seasons if it means anything.

Again , from the stat thread, credit to amazing @Aunties_Love
https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t3244p12-the-bachelor-bachelorette-statistics-no-discussion-sleuthing-spoilers

S9  E5      had rose and special time in epi 3 on gr date
S10  E5    Had rose and special time in epi 3 on gr date
S11  E5    Had rose and special time in epi 3 gr date

But this season has so many TBC, I don't even know how we count the episodes.....

Cila51290 wrote:Jordan got a rose the episode before his first 1 on 1 date with JoJo.

mercieme wrote:@sdmom Real time sleuthing during filiming indicated when the SDs occurred. The Episodes however are different due to the TBC.

Peter got his SD real time in Week 2 aka Episode 2 without TBC
Anthony got his SD real time in Week 3 aka Epsiode 3 without TBC
Dean got his SD real time in Week 4 aka Episode 4 without TBC
Jack got his SD real time in Week 4 but will be shown Episode 5 due to TBC
Bryan got the GDR real time in Week 4 and hopefully will be shown during tonight's Episode 5 due to TBC
Jury is still out if tonight's Episode 5 will actually show Bryan's SD which occurred actually during Week 5
Both Eric and Will got SDs real time in Week 6 but no idea if that will be shown on Tuesday's episode this week or if one of the dates might get pushed to next week Monday due to TBC

HEA wrote:I will not quote everone but to everyone.

I learned my lesson (finally) with this show. I think being in the non-spoiled thread gave me the wake up call about not picking a favorite and concentrate to pure sleuthing. My personal preference about what I saw when I came to the dark side came probably at episode 4 when I saw Peter not interested to Rachel. My second was to believe that Bryan is not a player. IMO

This season was very interesting for me. I came with preconceived notions that Peter was a perfect F1 edit a la Emilie/Brad and Bryan was a player with all the physical attached to F2 generally. IMO But this season and time around, I really kept an open mind when I was non spoiled and out of 31 thought Bryan was the F1, Peter the F2 and Dean the F3... after all the BL and SC. I had no RS or SM to influence me. none. From the moment, Rachel was announced next lead, I stopped even watching TV and watched only recorded TV I like, avoided completely mags etc. But once I was spoiled, I went to IG and started to add up and complete what I THINK is Bryan is F1. Too many clues for not being F1... Plus of course looking at Peter IG. For me it is the cherry on top of the cake confirmation..... IMO

I do believe I was wrong at episode 1 Peter was F1 and quickly saw THE kiss à la Jordan/Jojo. On ep3 I got more suspicious and I do believe that sleuthing BL helped me to realize that I should never judge by its cover and just concentrate on the SAME script, the prods gives us IMHO:

1. hidden F1 for the first 5 episode (here Bryan)
   
2. ep1: lots of PI with F1 and some F2 with a lot of zoom in to them and the "important" contestants that will play in the script. often FIR to F1 (roberto, jordan, shawn, here Bryan)
   
3. ep 2-5: drama drama drama with QT with F1 (more hidden) and F2 (more romantic)
   
4. perfect romance and complicity seen with F2 (Peter)
   
5. Friend zone 1st SD, turning generally F3 or F4 (Dean and Eric, although I did not see Eric before his 1-1) - here it turns to F2 which is quite unusual in the script pattern.
   
6. struggle from lead toward F1 (Bryan, lack of trust, fear to be hurt) - the so called overcome F1 situation
   
7. physical attraction with F2 (here I was struggling as I do not see any from Peter but a lot from Rahcel. Generally both F1 F2 are edited with a more pronounced from the F2 to show us "more" romance and "more" attraction) - this season turns out that the F1 is more physical than F2
   
8. Incredible romantic 2nd dates with F2 AND F3 so audience is messed up
   
9. Nice 2nd date with F1 but with more talking and struggling
   
10. HTD/Fantasy dates: expecting some issues with F1 and perfect with F2
    
11. Finale: "clarity bulb" (credit to GA) from Lead, always been the F1
    

SM is something I leave to the experts. I am not good at it to find clues so I see only the obvious to me. But I will say from my perspective, I see also the same pattern IMO:

F1 post family oriented and pics with the leads and other contestants. But his focus is family.
F2 will post many pics about his job or himself.

BUT here is I think is different as it is a matter of personalities: some will play coy and PRETEND to be F1 and post tons of IN LUV with the lead (pride or just upset to be F2 or been played or just exposure) and some will just play possum. This is where I leave expert talk because I never see the same each season for F2.

However, on TV, for me, that is the same SCRIPT every single season IMO

So far they are following the same with Rachel's season IMO. And I must add that this season reminds me a lot of Des/Chris and a lot of Ashley/JP. The only difference is that the F1 is much more physical than usual but maybe because the F2 is way less, that makes the contrast more obvious IMO

All of this is JMOAA.