The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I just see that Fleiss and crew are lazy and taking the easy money route. The Show's been cheapened over the years IMO. Why can we not have more and better production value brought to the show—not less. Give us back interesting locations. Give us back romance. It is 2015/16, there are a lot of great shows to watch on television and on line. They need to stop "talking down" to us with these tired storyline. Like the sleuthing is even predictable!! Come on!! 

RS also said her family was emailing/telling everyone they knew about the HTD again.

@RealitySteve
Just ask her friends, family, or sisters. Keep getting emails they're telling everyone. Silly.

Kashathediva wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:Being a returnee doesn't matter to me.
If I could change anything about this show it would be that there is NO sex and NO proposal!!!
I dislike those two things much, much more than any returnee.  

That there is not huge backlash against those two things but there is backlash against returnees (one of whom is a virgin) blows my mind.  

Sorry for the possible double post --however--I had to add: 
I personally like sex, but not necessarily on the show. I think most people enjoy sex? No? (joking!)

Agreed!
Most of these leads already know who their F1 is by the time they get to FDs.
Adding sex into the mix only seems to cause more problems than anything else.

Like Bach/Bette Aussie and Bach NZ, it seems to work much better when there is no sex involved (their success rate of couples still being together is proof of that).
And the lead and F1 can go at it like rabbits post-FRC with sex 6 times a day (as one lead said about her F1).
So I am all for sex but just not on this show.

^^^ I think they've had some pretty great travel this season..Vegas, Mexico City, the Bahamas. And even in Warsaw, they flew out to Chicago for one of the dates. I'm excited to see where they go for the final overnight dates

Linds911 wrote:RS also said her family was emailing/telling everyone they knew about the HTD again.

@RealitySteve
Just ask her friends, family, or sisters. Keep getting emails they're telling everyone. Silly.

Hopefully she won't be the lead otherwise that group of blabbermouths will run to RS with ending.

Linds911 wrote:Of course.

Maybe Kaitlyn and Shawn will show up for a birthday party since they are been her cheerleaders! I will always wonder how much they talked to Ben about how perfect she is for him.

Is it bad I hope she gets eliminated right after her birthday at the F4 RC? I'm cruel like that.

And her family better not b!tch about the edit again this season. You were treated fine last season and then willingly agreed to it again. You get no sympathies from me.

I've always been against proposals on the show. I don't care a whit whether they have sex or not - just don't show me or talk about it. I've also never liked returnees starting with Mary.

If Becca's family are being blabbermouths maybe they should let Ben send her home without a htd.

loveactually9 wrote:^^^ I think they've had some pretty great travel this season..Vegas, Mexico City, the Bahamas. And even in Warsaw, they flew out to Chicago for one of the dates. I'm excited to see where they go for the final overnight dates

Every season, I want to see one nice tropical location (the Bahamas will do just fine,) and one interesting foreign location. Mexico City might be okay. I *really* liked Ireland on Kaitlyn's season. I want to see them out of North America. I can't travel right now for budgetary reasons, so the show has to travel for me!

rhondam wrote:I just see that Fleiss and crew are lazy and taking the easy money route. The Show's been cheapened over the years IMO. Why can we not have more and better production value brought to the show—not less. Give us back interesting locations. Give us back romance. It is 2015/16, there are a lot of great shows to watch on television and on line. They need to stop "talking down" to us!! IMO, if that. 

Personally, I feel the show has been downgraded, and degraded over the years, but that may be a result of realizing tptb don't have to deliver more to get more. (ratings) Why give more when they can get by with giving less?

I agree with AAL. I can't believe this show has turned me into such a prude, but the whole free pass to have sex with up to 3 people (at least) and then expecting the F1 to be perfectly fine with that is so tacky. I don't blame any F1 for not coming to terms with their fiancé shagging their friends (or foes) just days before proposing. It may be the name of the game in the US, but the lead still has a choice. No one forces them to test drive everyone. And the backlash Kaitlyn got wasn't really about the sex in general, just the timing of it, since apparently you must wait until the FS to get to it.

Julz91 wrote:I had no idea the show was so scripted until now.

Yup, it's that scripted.

I think this show is beyond tired and might as well just recycle half the cast, if this is how it goes.

The amount of lying and manipulation that goes on this 'show' is not what a relationship is about.

The show should knock out all but 6 by the 3rd episode. If not more. It's stupid how this show is nothing but a person lying and leading people on for fake drama and ratings.