The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Oh boy. The other girls are already throwing shade at Ben.. Great.  

I can now see why Amanda was not a happy camper at the carnival. She knows she has no chance in hell. Oh well. 

I really hope they can edit the season, to be not so Ben solely focused on Lauren esque. And hopefully he comes off looking good, otherwise the girls will give it to him at WTA. 

Sean never made it super obvious right? He didn't even get into Catherine for a while.. What leads were really obvious about their final 1/favorite? 

Well, I say good for Ben for knowing what he wants and sticking with it. The only problem is, this is a tv show..so he really needed/needs to fake it til he made/makes it.

jcrbil wrote:IMO TPTB will work overtime to plant doubt into Lauren's mind- and Ben's-  they will find the one family member on one side or the other to bring up some issue and then tptb with magnify it out of all proportion.... it is their job- to make a TV show, just as it's CH's job to make outlandish statement about thing like "letting his true match go" or something, to try to increase viewers from week to week.  These folks are professionals- they'll find a way, ethically or not, to make a tv show.

Someone that saw Lauren during/after her date with Ben said she might have been "upset". Maybe TPTB were planting doubt in her mind for the drama.

Maybe they'll be able to make it look like Calia was a serious contender? She seems to have a good personality, so all they need is a moment to suggest that he was mulling it over and it was a "struggle" in the last minute.

eversotrue wrote:Oh boy. The other girls are already throwing shade at Ben.. Great.  

I can now see why Amanda was not a happy camper at the carnival. She knows she has no chance in hell. Oh well. 

I really hope they can edit the season, to be not so Ben solely focused on Lauren esque. And hopefully he comes off looking good, otherwise the girls will give it to him at WTA. 

Sean never made it super obvious right? He didn't even get into Catherine for a while.. What leads were really obvious about their final 1/favorite? 

Well, I say good for Ben for knowing what he wants and sticking with it. The only problem is, this is a tv show..so he really needed/needs to fake it til he made/makes it.

I'm very biased but I thought once Cat had her individual date that season that it was game over. Heck even back to their first kiss. But I could really tell once it was down to the F4 who he wanted even if his mind tried to say otherwise.

Brad being awestruck with Emily was obvious. I though Ashley/JP was obvious for like half the season too.

Rolly wrote:

jcrbil wrote:IMO TPTB will work overtime to plant doubt into Lauren's mind- and Ben's-  they will find the one family member on one side or the other to bring up some issue and then tptb with magnify it out of all proportion.... it is their job- to make a TV show, just as it's CH's job to make outlandish statement about thing like "letting his true match go" or something, to try to increase viewers from week to week.  These folks are professionals- they'll find a way, ethically or not, to make a tv show.

Someone that saw Lauren during/after her date with Ben said she might have been "upset". Maybe TPTB were planting doubt in her mind for the drama.

Maybe. But what doubts could creep up in the middle / end of what looked like a great date ?

The odd thing is she also said that Lauren was cozying up to a crew member and that she hope Lauren would not get the rose. Someone here start stalking that poster for more info in this .

Ashley and JP was really obvious, but also beautiful to watch. I hope we get that kind of love story!

Maybe the girls were giving her a hard time and she had just told Ben about it. That is a logical explanation that I can get behind.

There is still a lot left to sleuth. We can't go through a season without analyzing pillows trees candles and sunsets now can we?

I'd love to sleuth out where they are going after HTD's!

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nd4reality wrote:

Oh no.

Well things worked out really well fir Des so maybe that's not a bad thing.
The 3 seasons where the lead was not 100 on their  f1 at this point turned out the best, actually 4 if you count in Charlie who could not make up his mind even at the FRC yet dated bee for a long time.

Funny how that works. You would think that if the lead is SURE (granted that his chosen is sure as well), then that would increase his chances of making the relationship work.

Which leads have been sure yet still kept it in their pants with the other contestants? It's easy to say it was X all along, but I don't really buy it if they still slept with Y and Z just days before proposing/being proposed to. Or it may have been X, but their feelings surely weren't very strong to be disrespecting them like that. If you're legitimately unsure then sleeping with several people makes a bit more sense.

I don't see Ben getting it on with anyone, at least anyone but Lauren, if he's already head over heels for her. I think if anything THAT will increase their chances.  

I'm a bit cynical, but I think there have been leads who knew their f1 early on but still got it on with others, not because they were unsure but because they just wanted to check physical compatibility or for their last hurrah. I think it was always Courtney for Ben, yet he slept with the others. Same with Ashley/JP, Juan Pablo/Nikki, and Shawn/Kaitlyn. The only person who has known since day one and alleges to not have slept with anyone else is Brad (with Emily).

I don't really know enough about Ben to know how he'll handle the FSD. I do think sleeping with only the F1 (or no one) helps the longeivity of a relationship. jmo.

I didn't see a thread for Mandy Kremer who's on this season, but just want to say forget the F4's for next Bachelorette, I want THIS girl to take the gig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ileBSUf7M

^^^ I think that the timing of Lauren's upset coincided with the death of the sound guy who worked on the first few days of the season (when they were in LA)- someone here (sorry I forget who) thought that perhaps she had been told that news and was being consoled.... just another scenario.

jcrbil wrote:^^^ I think that the timing of Lauren's upset coincided with the death of the sound guy who worked on the first few days of the season (when they were in LA)-  someone here (sorry I forget who) thought that perhaps she had been told that news and was being consoled.... just another scenario.

I'm not sure about that... But another possibility (imo) is that the girls are giving her a hard time because she's a frontrunner, it's obvious and they are jealous, so she's upset about it. Usually happens.