Bachelor New Zealand - Jordan Mauger - Season 2 - Discussion - *Sleuthing* - *Spoilers*

Here are the episode descriptions for next week...

May 2nd ~ For the first time this season, the Bachelor puts himself in the hot seat, and faces up to the families of the final three girls.

May 3rd ~ Fantasy dates and an ocean full of opportunities, but when an overnight stay is on the cards, will boundaries be crossed and opportunities missed, or will romance reach new heights?

I'm wondering if all 3 women get Fantasy Dates. One is eliminated on Tuesday May 3rd. Then the F2 women will have Last Chance Dates and Meet the Parents during the finale on Monday May 9th

https://nz.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/

It's possible all 3 get FDs but also maybe just 2 girls on FD and no RC so similar to Bach Canada S2.

From the description though there's no mention of RCs for either episode and there would have to be at least one RC for either episode in order for 2 girls to be on Finale episode May 9.

So it could go either way:
a) 3 HTDS, RC, 2 girls reamin... 2 FDs, No RC, 2 girls remain... 2 LCD/MTP and FRC.
b) 3 HTDS, No RC, 3 girls remain.... 3 FDs, RC, 2 girls remain... 2 LCD/MTP and FRC.

for comparison

Erin
March 8 - Ep 2: GD
March 15 - Ep 4 = GD + SQT
(14 days in between)
March 29 - Ep 8: GD
April 5 - Ep 10 = SD
April 12  - Ep 12: GD
(13 days in between)
April 25  - Ep 15: GD
April 26  - Ep 16 = 2nd SD

Naz
March 12: Ep 3: GD
March 15 - Ep 4: GD
March 22 - Ep 6: GD
March 29 - Ep 8: GD
April 4 - Ep 9: SD
April 12 - Ep 12: GD + SQT
April 18 - Ep 13: GD
April 19 - Ep 14:  2nd SD
April 25 - Ep 15: GD
April 26 - Ep 16: GD + SQT
(each date timeframe was 6-7 days in between)

Fleur
March 8 - Ep 2: GD + SQT
March 28 - Ep 7: GD
March 29 - Ep 8: SD
(20 days in between)
April 18 - Ep 13: GD + SQT
April 19 - Ep 14: GD
April 25 - Ep 15: GD

I will try to add the SQT at cocktails.
I added the longest time in between dates.

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@HEA I don't want to speak for Jen but I believe she is just noting her observations about Naz & Fleur & why she believes Erin could be F1.

I doubt anyone's emotions are running high regarding this season especially with the way it's been edited which is good in my opinion as it allows for pure sleuthing IMO.

For me I think Fleur is F1 & I don't particularly care for how she has been edited so far & for all I know she is a nice person IRL. I am simply noting what the edits are showing me but others see diffetently which is ok. That's what makes the sleuthing interesting to me....all JMO.

mercieme wrote:@HEA I don't want to speak for Jen but I believe she is just noting her observations about Naz & Fleur & why she believes Erin could be F1.

I doubt anyone's emotions are running high regarding this season especially with the way it's been edited which is good in my opinion as it allows for pure sleuthing IMO.

For me I think Fleur is F1 & I don't particularly care for how she has been edited so far & for all I know she is a nice person IRL. I am simply noting what the edits are showing me but others see diffetently which is ok. That's what makes the sleuthing interesting to me....all JMO.

no problem. I already moved on and deleted the comment
I appreciate your views @mercieme
They always stir some thoughts that I did not see at first and push me to think in another direction
thank you.

jen689 wrote:Naz is way more invested in Jordan than Jordan is in Naz

HEA wrote:this is also your opinion right...At this time of the show, emotions are high for every fan of this show on this forum...

sorry I forgot to add JMO. My emotions aren't running high. I'm just stating my opinions. I'm not invested in Jordan or any of the remaining women. My favorite was Rebecca. During filming Naz had all day every day to think about Jordan. She said she's competitive and wants to win. In the process she developed strong feelings for Jordan. Jordan's had to juggle 23 women and still has 3 remaining. He seems overwhelmed and confused as the bachelor. I think there are qualities he likes about Naz and qualities that raise red flags JMO

mercieme wrote:snipped

I doubt anyone's emotions are running high regarding this season especially with the way it's been edited which is good in my opinion as it allows for pure sleuthing IMO.

For me I think Fleur is F1 & I don't particularly care for how she has been edited so far & for all I know she is a nice person IRL. I am simply noting what the edits are showing me but others see diffetently which is ok. That's what makes the sleuthing interesting to me....all JMO.

Yup my emotions are not involved at all this season. There's no love story here for me to watch so I am fine with whomever Jordan chooses as his F1, whether it works out or not, best wishes to all of them and hope everyone gets what they wanted - opportunities or whatever.

That being said, based sleuthing I still think Fleur is F1, too. I don't mind her edit though and actually think her emotions and her being scared makes her more genuine about her feelings to me. Fleur made comment about Jordan kissing girls right after her SD and if he can do that what does she mean to him. This is similar to what Matilda said about Art getting a bit Billy big balls about kissing, imo. Also, I see Fleur telling Jordan that she is there for him and wants to be there for the long run and this is also similar to me when Matilda told Art she was there for the long haul. Matilda even on LCD laid out her reasons why she would be a better choice to Art and from this last episode I saw Fleur doing a bit of the same when she talked to Jordan at CP. I expect Fleur to "fight" some more, so to speak. I think Fleur thus has a pretty standard F1 edit but Jordan is the one who makes this season all over the place, imo, since he is just kind of "meh" and doesn't emote and isn't vulnerable. Jordan did say he "fell for" Fleur in this past episode but I haven't seen him act like he is fallen. As he accused Gabs, it is Jordan with a poker face if he is having more emotion than he is expressing, imo.

HEA wrote:for comparison

Erin
March 8 - Ep 2: GD
March 15 - Ep 4 = GD + SQT
(14 days in between)
March 29 - Ep 8: GD
April 5 - Ep 10 = SD
April 12  - Ep 12: GD
(13 days in between)
April 25  - Ep 15: GD
April 26  - Ep 16 = 2nd SD

Naz
March 12: Ep 3: GD
March 14 - Ep 3: GD
March 22 - Ep 6: GD
March 29 - Ep 8: GD
April 4 - Ep 9: SD
April 12 - Ep 12: GD + SQT
April 18 - Ep 13: GD
April 19 - Ep 14:  2nd SD
April 25 - Ep 15: GD
April 26 - Ep 16: GD + SQT
(each date timeframe was 6-7 days in between)

Fleur
March 8 - Ep 2: GD + SQT
March 28 - Ep 7: GD
March 29 - Ep 8: SD
(20 days in between)
April 18 - Ep 13: GD + SQT
April 19 - Ep 14: GD
April 25 - Ep 15: GD

I will try to add the SQT at cocktails.
I added the longest time in between dates.

quoting myself. so anyone think any of the above?

My analyze is that Jordan saw Naz every single week. Erin, after her first single date, he did not take quality time with her at all. Fleur, he waited 20 days (!) after her single date and of course no second single date.

The last single date is Erin and we can say that it was a fun date. The setting was romantic although a bit too staged for me. Remove the movies banters, and we do not have much conversation... in my opinion.

Again, based on twitter and SM, I think that everyone had the same reaction with

- volcano date with fleur
- hills date with Naz
- cage date with Erin

Each time, public was very unenthusiastic. The last date seen, is the F1.

Regarding evolution, I see a constant evolution with Naz and not so much with Fleur and Erin. Dates above are talking loud and clear... in my opinion.

HEA thanks for posting the date chart.

Jordan liked Erin enough to keep her around but she wasn't a frontrunner until her 2nd single date. He had a strong connection with Fleur which faded since they didn't spend much time together between their single date and the next group date. Jordan's interest/intrique with Naz has been growing since their first single date. Production may have played a part in Naz getting more dates than Erin/Fleur.

Fleur is insecure about the process and unable to control her emotions. She has highs and lows. When she wouldn't talk to Jordan at a cocktail party he wasn't happy. Naz hasn't been completely honest, she's badmouthed the women, and she's so intense. Erin is the only one who's been drama free, consistent, and realistic about the process. She has the least amount of "baggage" of the F3. I think we'll see an evolution with Erin in the remaining episodes  JMO

jen689 wrote:HEA thanks for posting the date chart.

Jordan liked Erin enough to keep her around but she wasn't a frontrunner until her 2nd single date. He had a strong connection with Fleur which faded since they didn't spend much time together between their single date and the next group date. Jordan's interest/intrique with Naz has been growing since their first single date. Production may have played a part in Naz getting more dates than Erin/Fleur.

Fleur is insecure about the process and unable to control her emotions. She has highs and lows. When she wouldn't talk to Jordan at a cocktail party he wasn't happy. Naz hasn't been completely honest, she's badmouthed the women, and she's so intense. Erin is the only one who's been drama free, consistent, and realistic about the process. She has the least amount of "baggage" of the F3. I think we'll see an evolution with Erin in the remaining episodes  JMO

I am beginning to agree with you. Erin is drama free, gentle,has the same quirky sense of humour as Jordan, looking at the photo shoot in Womans Day Erin is actually gorgeous. Fantastic insights.