The Bachelorette Australia - Sam Frost - Season 1 - Social Media - Media - #2 *Spoilers - Sleuthing*

see2love wrote:Why is Michael not even in the mix?    Michael will be a good role model too. I know most dont believe he is F1 and nothing tomsupport this probability from anyone.
For some unshakable reason, I think he is in there with a great shot at being F1. And right now we most are concentrating on Sasha and Richie which leaves Michael to coast on unnoticed.
Sam has spoken about feelings overcoming her around Michael, about loving to be around him, about him being genuine and liking the little things, about feelings for him growing, and she has bagged him in the media about his hair and his weekly tan.
My money is on Michael, and I may be totally off base but I am still betting on him.
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computerms wrote:I don't know if I have this in the right place but here is an article regarding Michael Turnbull.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3266394/The-Bachelorette-s-Michael-Turnbull-cuts-dapper-figure-surprises-family-friend-escorting-high-school-formal.html.
He just seems like a very genuine and caring guy.  

So handsome in those photos! No wonder Sam couldn't wait to kiss him.

See2love... Why not Michael?
- cos I see no genuine/real feelings in Sam for him (the feeling I get every time I see her talk nicely about him it's like she tries (needs to) sell me the version of Michael that I should see... And since I don't buy the "bad" edit of David and Davey (or Emily) I don't buy the "good" edit for Michael. That doesn't mean he's a bad guy... just that not everything is so perfect as it shines...
The same could be said about Richie too... since his perfect edit leads straight to the next lead... And since I don't mind him being... i guess I put more faith in him - totally personal bias.
- cos I don't see actual involvement of Michael for Sam (he's too "cool" for being a guy supposedly liking the girl)
- cos post filming Sam "made fun" of Michael's "high maintenance" in a not so "girlfriendish" way... painting more "real" portrayal of her "opinion" of him (since she doesn't need to follow the script anymore).

Hmmmm good to hear your opinins regarding Michael but i cant seem to shake the feeling he is F1. Only time will tell.

Norcalgal wrote:

computerms wrote:I don't know if I have this in the right place but here is an article regarding Michael Turnbull.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3266394/The-Bachelorette-s-Michael-Turnbull-cuts-dapper-figure-surprises-family-friend-escorting-high-school-formal.html.
He just seems like a very genuine and caring guy.

So handsome in those photos! No wonder Sam couldn't wait to kiss him.

gentleman, sweet, adorable, gorgeous, caring respectful...
i bet he heard no guy invited her to go to her school party (prom?) and wanted her to feel like a princess
that is totally reflecting how he is around sam: holding her chair, putting his arm on her back not touching but protecting, giving her his jacket, making her feel like a princess even if she is the worse cook in australia.
michael is a class act gentleman

and yes I am aware of his womanize reputation but anyone can change, be a bachelor and grow up. Plus I am still waiting the proofs he has so many women etc. He said it himself, he "did crazy poop" in the past, he does not want a fling. I honestly think he is the real deal for sam. It was even sweet how they expressed their feeling about "I want to kiss you"... the voucher from michael and the "PS you can kiss me anytime you want". That was adorable... and what a kiss. nothing uncomfortable here even if the crew was still around. no double sips of wine, no crossed arms... she was dying him to make the first move.

I think sam brings him the best out of him, especially humor and I think he gives her what she never had, caring and respect. They both love in Melbourne (and areas), they love spotlights. Sam made a public comment to defend him when he was so under attack with the olympic, she made sure to let us know that the gossips about the grey shirt was not sasha, made the comment that "it went downhill" with sasha too. I mean for me (again IMO) everything is pointing to michael's direction.

I honestly saw a love story between them. I truly see no other guy that she she can say "I love you so much".

Sasha: Not after the air balloon with sasha and obviously a difficult time with his family, not after I did not see her any romantic moment after episode 3 with sasha. I explained my raisons in the other thread.

Richie: his time came way too late - Him repeating that he needed time alone with sam for 6 episodes which lead me to think that they did not have much time together and sam did not make any effort to have some with him since he kept asking for some time with her "I waiting a long time for it" about his date. His date was fun, they spent half the day being dressed so no talk, then they went bingo. They only had time the evening and it looks like they talk about this fun experience a lot. For me it screams friend zone even if obviously richie wanted more from the start. I have no doubt she loves him but is not in love with him. I am not sure she see him as a man and lover, but more like one of her brothers. (?). He is definitely lovable but many F2 were too.

So the "I love you so much" for me does not fit either Sasha or Richie. But the slow burning love story with michael? definitely started from episode 1. She made sure to give him 2 special extra time after GD (no activities, just talking, so no distraction and time to know the other person well).

this is JMO. But for even more reasons, I honestly think it is michael and it was always about him.

see2love wrote:Hmmmm good to hear your opinins regarding Michael but i cant seem to shake the feeling he is F1. Only time will tell.

If Michael was F1, just for hypothetical sake, why would he be back in Brisbane July 10 and tagged in photos with others that same week (Tony for one). It is highly unlikely, imo, that an F1 would not spend at least 1 night with the lead and certainly not possible that he would be coming home at 3pm on July 10 when MTP was July 8 (based on Sam's brother posting such that he was in NZ that date as well as July 9th and he too posted he was home in Australia on July 10).

Add in the edit: only two people get Sam Frost's F1 music (meaning whenever Sam F kissed Blake on Bach AU S2 Sam had her own theme music). And that same theme music was used for Snez's kiss music (the music she got when Sam first kissed her in the winery) and that is Sasha and Richie. Interestingly, Sasha gets the music before and during kissing Sam at the cocktail party. Richie gets the music before the kiss but not during the kiss. Sneaky editors.

Based also on "I love you so much"  Sam VO likely at FRC I doubt that Michael, who hasn't even had a single date yet Sasha already is getting his 2nd single date would be able to get to a place within the timeframe. One needs to remember the timeline of filming was 7 weeks (May 21 - July 10ish)... which means that Tony left after 4 weeks into filming and thus it was the 5th week of filming for Sasha's 2nd SD. So only 2 weeks left of filming until FRC and when Sasha gets his 2nd SD and Michael hasn't even had one and Michael be in love? Not even a remote possibility, imo.

I also would add to my previous post that I'm questioning Richie's involvement when it comes to "fighting" for the girl too... something just doesn't speak "in love" to me. Not saying he's just playing the game.. or that by the end he won't experience a heartbreak, but I don't feel his trajectory can be compared to Heather's (for example - and even with Hbomb we could discuss considering all the new found facts) and again for a competitive guy he is pretty chill with others (Sasha) having their time with the girl he is supposedly developing feelings for.

I'm still on team Richie... just saying, that Sasha's "dead" looks are giving me the reassurance that he is falling... and I don't take them as a red-flag or some negative character issue.
Considering these 2 also shared a room, I would presume Richie was more aware of the situation... and unless the last couple of weeks (episodes) the standard lead's deception hasn't worked its full force, I believe Richie will take the "heartbreak" like a champ...

btw - love his blue dane.

AllAboutLove wrote:

see2love wrote:Hmmmm good to hear your opinins regarding Michael but i cant seem to shake the feeling he is F1. Only time will tell.

If Michael was F1, just for hypothetical sake, why would he be back in Brisbane July 10 and tagged in photos with others that same week (Tony for one). It is highly unlikely, imo, that an F1 would not spend at least 1 night with the lead and certainly not possible that he would be coming home at 3pm on July 10 when MTP was July 8 (based on Sam's brother posting such that he was in NZ that date as well as July 9th and he too posted he was home in Australia on July 10).

Add in the edit: only two people get Sam Frost's F1 music (meaning whenever Sam F kissed Blake on Bach AU S2 Sam had her own theme music). And that same theme music was used for Snez's kiss music (the music she got when Sam first kissed her in the winery) and that is Sasha and Richie. Interestingly, Sasha gets the music before and during kissing Sam at the cocktail party. Richie gets the music before the kiss but not during the kiss. Sneaky editors.

Based also on "I love you so much"  Sam VO likely at FRC I doubt that Michael, who hasn't even had a single date yet Sasha already is getting his 2nd single date would be able to get to a place within the timeframe. One needs to remember the timeline of filming was 7 weeks (May 21 - July 10ish)... which means that Tony left  after 4 weeks into filming and thus it was the 5th week of filming for Sasha's 2nd SD. So only 2 weeks left of filming until FRC and when Sasha gets his 2nd SD and Michael hasn't even had one and Michael be in love? Not even a remote possibility, imo.

You may be right but on the flip side... We have no progression f any relationship wih Sasha since their SD, Richie and Sam have just kickstarted a relationship too s none of them is anywhere near "I love you so much" happening in a couple of weeks.

If it is Richie F1:

- the only GD moment was the spa but no touching, no kiss, just sharing family similarities which IMHO assured him to always receive a rose after that and added in the top 5
- why no hot kiss before episode 6 and we cannot even consider that as hot kiss since he never touch her or even initiated the kiss
- the "we make love 5, sometimes 6 times per day... it is a bit silly" does not mach what I see on my TV: I do not see physical chemistry but everything screams friend zone to me
- considering all the time we saw on TV, I did not see many "talking time" period to make me think they know each other and she fell in love with him.
- I see definitely fun time sharing a unique experience but nothing that makes me think that she think of him with a "I love you so much"
- why do we have so little S/C for him and nothing to really confirm a FD (ski and water/see cuddle.. no romantic settings)
- why showing issue with his mother at HTD (when it is always a happy family reunion for the lead with the chosen)

If Sasha is F1:

- why the very unhappy moment on the air balloon
- why did she kiss him on the cheek in the vineyard
- why didn't we see anymore hot kiss after episode 3
- why do we saw the tango time several time and only that with sasha (if she was falling in love, they crossed the line from friend to more with the kiss so why no more hot kiss after that kiss long ago
- why not taking advantage to favor him with the extra time in GD
- why do we have less S/C for him
- why showing issue with his mother at HTD (when it is always a happy family reunion for the lead with the chosen)
- why did sam made sure to say to social medias that the grey tee was not sasha
- why did she say "it went downhill" after the first kiss
- why calling him "Big sash" (not especially any lover would call the chosen at this new stage of the relationship
- why no romantic evening settings with dress and tux like we always have for the FD dinner


IMO...

F3: sasha - family and possible argument. It was an orchestrated prod kiss and decoy all along

F2: richie - family issue  and i totally see an early exit before the FD (I think I remember him saying that he may have scared sam telling her he was still a virgin?? so it would make sense that she may want to spare him?)

F1: michael - no issue with family (i think it went very well with his parent) - chemistry was only with him and no matter what the public think, her heart picked him from the start and nobody else. If Michael is the last one standing it will go with the prince/princess story and she gave a leap of faith ... the fairytale ending expected for her this season.

all of the above is IMO only

I think what are seeing here @happygolucky is a time issue.

We need to keep in mind the Filming schedule: May 21 - July 10-ish (7 weeks).
Here's a timeline to go by that fits everything in:

1st week - M&G, Rose ceremony etc, and there were no dates that weekend. Instead they did a film shoot and with The Project. I know this was confirmed by Drew. And they didn't film on the weekends (guys were able to also go out escorted to movies, gym, etc).
2nd week - Dave's SD (was filmed Monday, May 26 here) and Sasha's SD  
3rd week - Alex's SD and Tony/Davey's 2on1 date
4th week - Richie's SD and Sasha's 2nd SD (possibility that there may have been another SD this week if Michael gets one at all)
5th week - HTDs (Sasha, Richie, Michael, and Alex)
6th week - FDs (Sasha, Richie, and Michael)
7th week - MTP, LCD, FRC (in New Zealand)

So the thing is that the only person, imo, that could to be in love with a progression is Sasha. Sasha had his SD and is getting a 2nd SD by the time Richie (who is in F3) gets his 1st SD. And Michael (also in F3) hasn't even had a SD yet.It is showing that the time separated between Sasha's SD and Richie's SD is further apart and that Sasha gets another SD right after Richie's first one. It's similar to what Sam Wood did with Snez.

When one speaks of a shock exit, I along with those doing podcasts for the show are speaking about Richie because he has been edited since the first episode and is constantly seen the way that Heather was in ITMs talking about how much she wants to be the one. Having watched all episodes it is quite clear that the edit is set up to make the audience see Richie as invested (he is consistently saying how much he really, really wants to be with Sam, spend time with Sam, and his intro was about being the one at the end with Sam). Even his diary videos are about how much he wants to be with Sam. He has been shown as disheartened and dejected time and again when he didn't get the date or SQT. The edit keeps showing that. Male vs female ways of expressing feelings are different and Heather was good at doing this but so is Richie, imo.

What is different however when it comes to the media response to Heather or Richie is that even past-contestants from the show never were on Heather's team (other than Sam Frost) and neither was Fitzy of F&W or Dan from Dan and Maz or Lisa. All of those were #TeamSnez from the getgo. This time around those media/past contestants are #TeamRichie and it is really interesting that they are Team Richie because they were all Team F1/Snez for Bach Sam Wood but are likely not Team F1 this time around (since I don't see Richie as F1).

So it is just another way that the media is presenting Richie and pushing for him so audiences will be more invested in Richie and see him blindsided. And just because he is the first guy they will ever see on this first season ever it will be heightened even more so and ALSO because this same audience just experienced heartbreak with Heather so it will likely be compounded on that feeling alone and that Heather was so obvious the way Sasha is to audiences is why people are invested in Richie even more. They don't get the small details exactly, but the audience has been primed for a non-obvious F1 and will be blindsided when it is the obvious this time around.


JMO

Thanks for the info AAL and viewing it that way I can't not agree with you. I have difficulty to post from my phone, so I can't write longer responses and my wifi is throwing me out all the time,so I hope the msg arrives.
OT, i've recently watched a documentary about the internet cables in the ocean that connect us... Interesting how it all works and how fast we can receive the data from afar.

No problem HGL. It is fascinating indeed how we are all "connected" (in all various ways).

ETA: The F&W votes for F1 and even Tony's video (he left before Richie even got a date so he obviously has inside info that Richie is the "dark horse" as he calls him) are just more reasons why Richie as F1 but won't be will be a shock to viewers. They are expecting the underdog/not-obvious person to win (which is definitely Richie as stated by even Sam Frost herself in interview with Jackie O).

F&W poll with Richie as winner: https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t3201p96-the-bachelorette-australia-sam-frost-season-1-social-media-media-2-spoilers-sleuthing#873768
Tony video talking about it being between Richie and Sasha and DJs are like "Richie? He's not even on the radar": https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t3142p360-the-bachelorette-australia-richie-strahan-sleuthing-spoilers#873877
Lisa's take on Richie and him being frontrunner: https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t3142p324-the-bachelorette-australia-richie-strahan-sleuthing-spoilers#873499