Becca Tilly - Bachelor 20 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

No the information is not an opinion. We who comment on the information we are given are stating our opinion about it. Unless one gets information personally from a source, then what one posts is simply an opinion. Again jmo.

loveactually9 wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:I understand why people had a problem with the word "fact", but I think BH just meant it as a figure of speech. I also think it gets hard, because EVERY piece of information we have of something happening off-screen comes from an unnamed source. We don't even know if Becca DID get to speak to her family...we just have a "very reliable" source saying she did. We haven't literally seen her call them or seen phone bills. RS said his source that said about Ben telling her not to come was "very reliable" too. Do we just accept something as fact because it comes from a poster here, instead of RS, even though most people have gotten bad information at some time or another? Why is that allowed to be expressed as "I know this to be true" (no IMO included), but BH can't use "fact"? It just all seems very inconsistent and confusing to me.

(all imo)

Agreed. What is the difference between one poster hearing that Ben told Becca not to come and another poster hearing that Becca was allowed to communicate with her family? In neither case was any actual proof provided (whether it was in the form of text messages, phone bills, FaceTime screenshots, etc). Don't get me wrong, I don't expect anyone to reveal their sources or give us indisputable evidence. It's not that serious. We can believe what we choose, and we can use what information we believe to draw our own conclusions. At the end of the day, 99% of what is shared here is NOT fact. It's all an open-ended and fluid discussion that will only get confirmation when the show airs, something definitive is leaked, or when it comes to a lot of the minor details discussed here, never.

FWIW in the four years I have been on this forum, Kasha has never said anything she wasn't certain of. IMO, she has many far and ranging sources in the "know" so when she does say something like Becca's been given permission to talk to family and has been in touch, I sit up and take notice.

I have definately learned to pay attention.

quietpal wrote:I don't think it's that complicated. If someone here gets info from someone else and posts said info here, that's not an opinion, even if it turns out to be wrong. An opinion comes from your own thinking and is not necessarily linked to what someone told you.
Back to Becca, I believe she was able to talk to her family for whatever reason. We may find out why or we may not. Time will tell. All of this is jmo.

I agree....now back to Becca. I am thinking that she may actually go far here.

algold29 wrote:I'm new to the Bachelor Nation, Chris Soules was the first Bachelor I watched.  How much control does Ben have over who goes on what dates or do the producers do most of the deciding?

IMO in seasons past, the lead may of had some input in a couple of dates per season, but as a rule, it is production that has the full control as to who and where the dates are.

Why do people think Becca will go far?

eversotrue wrote:Why do people think Becca will go far?

Isn't episode 6, or wherever they are now, considered far?

DebutAlbum wrote:

eversotrue wrote:Why do people think Becca will go far?

Isn't episode 6, or wherever they are now, considered far?

I think so. But people seem to think she'll make it even further..

Taking clues from this board and my own gut instinct and I think she will make it to at least HTD's, IMO.

algold29 wrote:Taking clues from this board and my own gut instinct and I think she will make it to at least HTD's, IMO.

Same. It's entirely possible that she made a genuine connection with him. She's a sweetheart.

Good morning! 
I want to address the fact/opinion situation and then we can move on. 

I don't know why it seems there is a bit more confusion lately with this. I hope I can clarify briefly. (I doubt it)
This is a sleuthing/spoiler site. We also have some fan threads for fans. Hopefully something for everyone! 

In sleuthing people examine all shades, sizes etc to put the pieces of puzzle together or simply throw some pieces out of the mix. Some pieces will fit and others won't.  Spoilers and foilers go into the mix as well. Some will fit and some won't.
If someone is told something it has been sourced--it's fact that they have been told that.
 Believe it if you will or don't. It's a fact, not an opinion, that that was read, heard, felt, smelled or tasted. No one should take offense if what they have shared is not believed or another fact is believed vs their own. It does not change that they were told that. However, it does not mean that the fact was true, only that they were told that.

Where it becomes an opinion is when it is discussed with possible side issues. It tasted "too sour" is an opinion based on past experiences. Maybe it wasn't too sour Jane.  
Another example, these women all have worldy beauty.  To whom? Prince Farmer or Donald Trump?  I am sure this measure varies greatly to the eye of the beholder.  Your measure of beauty is not mine, nor do I expect it to be.
Now let's take it a step further:  "this person got phone calls because she was upset that the other women were prettier and this probably caused her to make drama causing her to want to leave because she wasn't wanted there to begin with. So she was probably allowed to call home which only made the other girls that much more mad because they were not allowed phone calls. "
The above is what we(mods) are dealing with.  A fact embellished, speculated upon and took on a personality of it's own.  Then we get members debating this. Pages. 
So it's great to speculate on facts. If you want to believe them or not, fine. That is every person's choice and no one should take offense. 
But to a certain degree speculation needs to be prefaced as such and reigned in, IMO, when it takes flight as fact. We have almost 6000 members reading. I expect most are faceless and don't post. They read something and walk away with it. 
I would rather we be known as a reputable site than what we causally refer to often as a rag mag. Wouldn't you? 

I am going to strongly suggest members review our site rules and etiquette suggestions.
As the season gets busier, it would be much appreciated. 
We want this to be a fun place. 
Thank you and anyone want coffee?

Great post, Kasha!

There are ways of talking about things we've been told were from sources or from RS without it coming across as a statement of fact. eg:

I believe "this info" is true and if so ......

If true, "this info" then ...........

I'm not sure if "this info" is true but if it is ......

And then there's always IMO or JMO or JMHO etc.

This way we can discuss without confusing the issue.

DebutAlbum wrote:

eversotrue wrote:Why do people think Becca will go far?

Isn't episode 6, or wherever they are now, considered far?

IMO, she will be in the F4 and beyond. Wouldn't surprise me at all.