The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Will the girls be meeting Ben's parents when they go to Warsaw? Have the ever met the leads parents this early?

BlackHalo wrote:Will the girls be meeting Ben's parents when they go to Warsaw? Have the ever met the leads parents this early?

Jade met Chris's parents around this time, didn't she?

chasingpavements wrote:

BlackHalo wrote:Will the girls be meeting Ben's parents when they go to Warsaw? Have the ever met the leads parents this early?

Jade met Chris's parents around this time, didn't she?

Yes but that was an ID and the other girls were in Des Moines. It seems like this 6 will actually be staying in Ben's town. It's not a big town I'm confused what they will be doing there exactly.

eversotrue wrote:So, if Olivia, by statistics isn't gonna win because of the FIR, and Joelle is being painted at next ette....who's f1??

I don't think that enough to discount Olivia as f1. I remember Brad saying he knew on night one it was Emily (yet gave his FIR to Ashley s) and Jason said he knew his top 3 on night one (yet gave it to Nikki). I think that leads in the past have been told not to give it to the real pick, but that rule might be changing. They made it super obvious with Shawn, so I can see them going that route again.

(Jmo)

bluwavz wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:I don't think a girl that has received a FIR has ever won, right? It was just three guys (Jesse, Roberto, and Shawn). I think think she'll be the frontrunner for the bachelorette, but well see! She seems cute and normal.

Yes, the Bachelor has NEVER picked the girl he gave the FIR to. Which sucks because Olivia was my pick for Ben. My guess is Olivia will be the F2 if JoJo is really the frontrunner for the B'ette. Anything can happen though.

There's been one bachelor who has given FIR to his F1 but not in the US franchise.

It would not surprise me if Ben will be the first in the US to do so and viewers think it's never happened so it won't be her.
Because I am not convinced that it is TPTB alone who select FIR since US Bettes have had FIR=F1.

So it may be that the men just don't "pick" as well on first impressions the way Bettes do?
Otherwise there's always the option that the lead gives FIR to whomever TPTB want him to and for their storyboard.

[quote="BlackHalo"]So JoJo and Olivia both have a good chance of being in the F4. I'm surprised Lauren B wasn't RS' pick for Bachelorette. She is very pretty but maybe she's isn't a frontrunner. Caila is a WOC so unfortunately I feel she has no chance at next 'ette. [/quote

What's a WOC?

woman of color

AllAboutLove wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:I don't think a girl that has received a FIR has ever won, right? It was just three guys (Jesse, Roberto, and Shawn). I think think she'll be the frontrunner for the bachelorette, but well see! She seems cute and normal.

Yes, the Bachelor has NEVER picked the girl he gave the FIR to. Which sucks because Olivia was my pick for Ben. My guess is Olivia will be the F2 if JoJo is really the frontrunner for the B'ette. Anything can happen though.

There's been one bachelor who has given FIR to his F1 but not in the US franchise.

It would not surprise me if Ben will be the first in the US to do so and viewers think it's never happened so it won't be her.
Because I am not convinced that it is TPTB alone who select FIR since US Bettes have had FIR=F1.

So it may be that the men just don't "pick" as well on first impressions the way Bettes do?
Otherwise there's always the option that the lead gives FIR to whomever TPTB want him to and for their storyboard.

Regarding the bolded, was that Tim to April?

chasingpavements wrote:woman of color

Ooooooooohhhhhhh.Duh.

Thanks!

AllAboutLove wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:I don't think a girl that has received a FIR has ever won, right? It was just three guys (Jesse, Roberto, and Shawn). I think think she'll be the frontrunner for the bachelorette, but well see! She seems cute and normal.

Yes, the Bachelor has NEVER picked the girl he gave the FIR to. Which sucks because Olivia was my pick for Ben. My guess is Olivia will be the F2 if JoJo is really the frontrunner for the B'ette. Anything can happen though.

There's been one bachelor who has given FIR to his F1 but not in the US franchise.

It would not surprise me if Ben will be the first in the US to do so and viewers think it's never happened so it won't be her.
Because I am not convinced that it is TPTB alone who select FIR since US Bettes have had FIR=F1.


So it may be that the men just don't "pick" as well on first impressions the way Bettes do?
Otherwise there's always the option that the lead gives FIR to whomever TPTB want him to and for their storyboard.

I don't think it's solely TPTB, but I definitely think that they have some input...just like how the lead usually isn't able to give the GDR to the same girl, every single time. Some leads do fight TPTB and get away with it, but I still think it's something that might have been be a point of discussion. A lot of male leads have known their F1 on day one: Ben F with Courtney, Brad with Emily, JP with Nikki, but none of those girls got the FIR. I can see them letting Ben give it to his actual pick, since Juliet said he was very agreeable with reshooting scenes and things like that so they might let him have this one.

I think it's hard to compare the US season with international seasons, because they seem a lot less contrived and producer-manipulated than the US ones.

(jmo)

chasingpavements wrote:

eversotrue wrote:So, if Olivia, by statistics isn't gonna win because of the FIR, and Joelle is being painted at next ette....who's f1??

I don't think that enough to discount Olivia as f1. I remember Brad saying he knew on night one it was Emily (yet gave his FIR to Ashley s) and Jason said he knew his top 3 on night one (yet gave it to Nikki). I think that leads in the past have been told not to give it to the real pick, but that rule might be changing. They made it super obvious with Shawn, so I can see them going that route again.

(Jmo)

I still think that the B'ettes do a better job at picking the FIR than the Bachelors. That is not to say that both Brad and JaunP were super taken with their F1s right out of the limo - they were. It is just that they didn't give them the FIR.
I so hope to see Ben loose his words like the aforementioned when his F1 interacts with him on ep1. So done with the hidden edits.
I don't really care that these guys end up with them or not, I want to enjoy what I do on screen.

*ed8t*



This is interesting. I feel like number 4, his predictions, are based off of what he hears from his friend who works with the show. I really think Lauren H is the one who has him "VERY smitten" leaving her F1, Becca F2, and Jojo/Olivia with F3/F4, cant decide on that one