The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

That Fleiss. If he's breathing, he's lying.

mysthelma wrote:Oh stop it already Fleiss....Fleiss is just being Fleiss over hype much
So can ABC override the producers pick? And how much influence does Mills have based on MF tweet? Just curious

Well, if MF is to be believed (inserting many eye rolls here) then if Millsy is yet to sign off that means they want Nick purely based on Millsy wanting Ben H.

Or he is just toying with people to get them to watch the AP show live.

IMO The producers want Nick but Millsy and ABC are balking at the risk. Time will tell.

I don't buy that they want Nick. I looked at the comments on FB for two of the articles saying Nick would consider being TB and most were unfavorable and full of people saying they wouldn't watch. That may be okay if you're just one of the cast but not the lead. Again JMO.

He is full of ca-ca . TB clue on first episode of BIP was a farce—I'm embarassed to admit how much time I wasted looking for said clue that was non-existent IMO!!

AllAboutLove wrote:

mysthelma wrote:Oh stop it already Fleiss....Fleiss is just being Fleiss over hype much
So can ABC override the producers pick? And how much influence does Mills have based on MF tweet? Just curious

Well, if MF is to be believed (inserting many eye rolls here) then if Millsy is yet to sign off that means they want Nick purely based on Millsy wanting Ben H.

Or he is just toying with people to get them to watch the AP show live.

I would love for the decision to still be up in the air, but I think he is just toying with us. I don't know how things work in that world, but my guess is ABC would have the ultimate say in things. However, I will add that ABC is more about advertising, and the higher the ratings, the more $$ they would make on ads, so being that Nick's arrival brought up the ratings this season, maybe they want to go with him, and MF doesn't?

albean99 wrote:I don't buy that they want Nick. I looked at the comments on FB for two of the articles saying Nick would consider being TB and most were unfavorable and full of people saying they wouldn't watch. That may be okay if you're just one of the cast but not the lead. Again JMO.

I read those too, but the truth of the matter is they would watch, and ABC knows that. They still got decent ratings with Juan Pablo, and I think he was hated a bit more than Nick.

What about GuardianAngel's two confirmed, reliable sources? Fleiss & Co are game playing us!!

rhondam wrote:What about GuardianAngel's two confirmed, reliable sources? Fleiss & Co are game playing us!!

He probably is full of However, most of the comments in response are very pro Nick.

Millsy is Head of ABC Alternative Programming. So ABC and Millsy are looking at the choice from a Network angle. TPTB are looking at the storyboard that they want to Produce. By all accounts Nick and Ben represent two very different seasons. It will be interesting to see which story the go with. JMO

Mikey has got everyone where he wants them! Watching the stupid after paradise show. Gag! I do wonder if Ben will be there when they announce him? ;)

rosesrREd wrote:

albean99 wrote:I don't buy that they want Nick. I looked at the comments on FB for two of the articles saying Nick would consider being TB and most were unfavorable and full of people saying they wouldn't watch. That may be okay if you're just one of the cast but not the lead. Again JMO.

I read those too, but the truth of the matter is they would watch, and ABC knows that.  They still got decent ratings with Juan Pablo, and I think he was hated a bit more than Nick.

I don't know if they would watch and can't imagine why they'd take the risk. Nick fatigue is real imo. I have it myself. :Nod: