The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 7 Jun 29th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

mercieme wrote:

peggy0221 wrote:

reason wrote:I have heard Kaitlyn said a relationship went too fast I believe it is the relationship that she is in.  It will burn out in time if not handle carefully.  The relationship with NICK is the slow burn and it will be gone by the time she realize it.  Just like SWSNBN realize it too late per CH

saw many of you refer Kaitlyn as SWSNBN
may i ask, what does that mean?

I think they are referring to last season's bette and the acronym stands for "someone who shall not be named"

oh, okay, thanks mercieme.
hahaha, that is a great one!

OMG yall -- Dr. C on that cliff is EVERYTHING!!! so raw and truthful -- he's such a sweet heart -- and a smart one at that...I see nothing wrong with his crying -- I'm positive it was induced by something the producer said to him about how he'd been heartbroken in the past not specifically with K -- in any case worth noting his statement to the camera

"I think that she's wrong and I don't think she really knows what she wants. But I would much rather know now than next year or in 20 years. She deserves a lifetime of happiness and I'm not sure she's ready to find that yet. Just looking at her, she's a mess...and I get it. I'm really scared too."  

meanwhile -- shawn is a mess and I think he completely threw this whole "process" on it's head -- the process was supposed of K exploring relationships with diff guys to reach a natural conclusion of a truly "best fit" guy on multiple dimensions... I can't imagine based on what we're seeing that she actually explored any relationship in any real serious way on this show --- everything seems superficial... The time for this show is already soooo tight (extremely limited time with the guys she's spent most time with)
now with all this drama -- it just feels like a very silly 'shawn pinning K down' show with some side characters who are just adding fodder rather than actually exploring any type of mutual relationship with K...

I don't think ANY of the guys including shawn are actually at the level of depth of feeling someone needs to be to visit parents and that's exactly why tptb were right to postpone the show -- the problem is I don't think it gives her the time she needs to really grow these relationships in any real way... based on what we saw ALL the relationships are in very early stages and the journey is now being accented with lots of fear, anxiety and most importantly I think shawn's behavior is making K shrivel away ridden with GUILT & afraid of heartbreak -- let alone continue to open up to connect with more people.

Based on all this there's no way I can see her pick anyone other than shawn at this point -- cos he's the only one she's gotten really emotional with AT ALL -- whether that's healthy kinds of emotions or a roller coaster of emotional intensity not...

Thank you guys,
after reading your comments and those on SM I'm finally free of this show.
People only see what they want to see ... and Nick will never be truthful and sincerely hurt. So great laughs ... but I'm missing the joke. So I choose to watch UnReal instead, I prefer the sexy scenes there, knowing that it's all an act ... and even the worse characters on the show get the sympathy and some love.

Emusha ... fear is a powerful thing indeed. Sometimes it's also an answer ... and I hope Nick got it.

emusha wrote:I agree cp the situation absolutely sucked for nick and it showed how not into him emotionally she was at that point IMHO if she was into him really she'd want to reassure him cos she'd be nervous he'd question his feelings for her if she went straight questioning if he told on her. You could see it on Nick's face...I think just like that time Joe mentioned K was in shawn's room -- when K was questioning if he told on her the fact that she prioritized that -- communicated a lot to him. Nick is a very sharp guy at least imho and would be one to pick that up...I think his getting emotional is a reaction to the fact that K was more concerned about asking if he told on her than "catching up with him from a great date" - it showed him she wasn't really "there" and he realized that HE still had to keep falling for her in spite of that if he had any hope of this working for them.... I totally think that's what he was communicating to her... he's much more eyes wide open this season -- and I think his pervious season has helped him understand what to look out for this round...

On the other hand -- I am getting the sense that K actually has the instincts which are telling her that the bits about shawn's reaction should make her question whether they could get through anything...

IMHO shawn is sooo concerned about himself and his feelings about her and not enough about her experience -- he's not making much of an effort to empathize with her just overtly concerned with his own feelings -- that's a big cause for concern imho

Emusha, these are interesting thoughts.  I agree.  

Firstly, I do wonder how much Nick knew about Kaitlyn's connection with Shawn as it is historically a goal of the producers to keep the F1 & F2 away from each other so that they do not talk about their respective relationships with each other.  That worked very well in Nick and Shawn's case...they barely spoke ten words to each other.  And when they finally did, it was to come to heads about the FS sex.  

If Nick really did not know how close Shawn and Kaitlyn were, he might have been thinking that the producers chose to speed up the FSD because Kaitlyn had made her choice...him.  He did have a cute little smile when CH told the guys about the change up.  (The smile could also have been veiled admiration for Élan...as I'm sure he thought up this clever way to bring all the guys' relationships with Kaitlyn to the same "playing field"... If all the guys sleep with Kaitlyn early, maybe they won't care that she slept with Nick a few days early....well it's obvious they cared, but maybe "the one" could forgive her if she made an effort to make it a fair game.).

Secondly, I also thought it interesting that Shawn's anger is directed at Nick instead of at Kaitlyn for the FS sex.  I'm sure the producers filled his head with stories about Nick's magical seduction powers and that Kaitlyn was helpless to resist him.  That it really wasn't Kaitlyn's fault at all and she feels really, really guilty now.  So Shawn takes his anger with the situation out on Nick...when IMO he should have been having that discussion with Kaitlyn.  But, of course they can't let Shawn confront Kaitlyn too angrily as he might just explode and leave.  They needed Shawn to direct his anger at Nick in order for him to be able to forgive Kaitlyn her indiscretion and move ahead with the proposal.  

So again Nick takes all the heat and bears the brunt of the pressure for their mutual sexual relationship... nothing new here... he has already been doing that on the show and in SM since the idea of pre FS sex aired in the season preview.  Which also explains to me the clip of Nick telling Kaitlyn that the one person he doesn't trust is... Probably Shawn... Because he came after Nick in a way that is completely inappropriate.  At least at the time.  Kaitlyn was still in a relationship with both of them.  It was half her choice to do the deed and keep it a secret for so long.  In fact, she asked Nick to keep it quiet longer.  He should have had the conversation with Kaitlyn... Not with Nick...

I am hoping to see Nick act the bigger, more mature man and weather the Shawn storm with controlled honesty, grace and humility. He will come out of this season a winner if he can manage that and keep his cool at the ATFR. I'm looking forward to that.

chasingpavements wrote:

emusha wrote:Nick got veryyy vulnerable with K -- can't even imagine how much it must have taken for him to get that emotional cos he held his own only tearing up with his mom last season. The way K reacted to his tears she was pretty early on in her feelings developing for him at that point IMHO. she was on the fence about him at that point not sure if he truly had her back ...regardless I don't think she's that into him emotionally speaking at this point just from her reaction...

I dislike the sudden flip that shawn took once she talked about "mistakes" etc. he's coming off as a drama queen -- one second one intense crazy thing, another second rushing through a big apology that absolves K of all the things she was doing wrong previously. he is not empathizing with her very well and only doing so when she made that speech at the cocktail party...
I also really dislike how shawn makes her primary experience during this season ---> tempered by guilt

That's what I thought when I originally saw that preview, but watching that whole episode, I feel like Kaitlyn is just TIRED. She seemed just drained emotionally after her second hotel talk with Shawn, and seemed stone-faced in her cocktail conversations with Ben, Shawn, and Nick.  I feel like she's had to deal with the most guys leaving and the most drama out of any Bachelorette, plus the guilt from sleeping with Nick. Even when Shawn was like I can't do this, she didn't seem as desperate to keep him as I thought she would get. Even in her ITM, she said something like "If someone says he can't do this, he's probably not the guy for me".

I do think the situation must suck for Nick - he slept with Kaitlyn and the next time he sees her, she's like "I made a lot of mistakes this week. Btw, I think you are a completely untrustworthy person who told everyone we had sex. ". Ouch.

ITA with the bolded. She even rolled her eyes a bit when doing her ITM and cameraman/producer told Shawn was coming up to see her again. No sleep, alcohol, hormones, etc... this show feels like we are just starting and ending all at the same time. The pacing is completely off and I don't think it is just the cliffhangers -- it feels rushed and yet nothing is happening. Cannot believe a FRC is so soon. I feel like I know nothing about anyone (only Nick because of last season) and not much about Shawn either. It is just drama and tears, drama and tears.

I am exhausted watching this show so it was probably exhausting for those filming it. Everyone was crying!

wow! i gained a whole new respect for Ben H after his conversation with Kaitlyn! i am totally rooting for him to be the Next bachelor! sorry Josh M. Ben just won me away with his maturity and integrity... i am such a fan now!

Honestly ... I really, really, really do hope that whoever believes Nick is a "master manipulator" is correct. I hope they're right.
I wish that to be true and I hope that in his grand-mastery he manipulated the whole thing till the end. That would be the best joke ever and I would finally laugh at this season.

If it wasn't for knowing Nick from last season, I feel that I know very little about Kaitlyn's boys from this season so far. Shame for them that the drama has been the focus of the season

Kaitlyn is a mess. She keeps proving how much she doesn't respect this guys. we can understand the sex with Nick, but the way she handled the situation with Shawn and Ben H is a new low, Ben H doesn't deserve to be disrespected that way.

I actually don't blame her for bringing Nick to the F2. She's been forced to cut from 6 to 3, she hardly knows the other guys at all and probably knows Nick the most from their pre-show talks, what else is she meant to do when she is trying to look for a husband? She's been given very little time with each of them. It'd make sense for her to bring the guy she knows the most and also likes to her final 2

Who was it that said Shawn acted like he was top dog before Nick got there?  Was it Joe? Boy was he right pity kaitlyn did not  tell him there are others to know if you want to go go.  That relationship is gonna be claustrophobic pretty soon.

^^ think it was Tanner