Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

AllAboutLove wrote:

happygolucky wrote:Ok, just a question - since I'm not sure what I should read first and where to turn - where is Kaitlyn "back-peddling" ... I'm just curious to see that "outcome" (which is simply - predictable).

HGL, she is in AOL video interview and labels with what I would call facial disgust, Nick as "just a flirt" and then talks about Shawn and her "we had these 'obstacles' to overcome". That essentially she was just mimicking Nick's behavior and thus her attraction to him was only because he is such a physical guy (sounds to me like the edit of the show). Also negates her making out with the other guys.

It is just a repeat of last year. There are MOT men and there are MOT couples. The whole show, imo is not just MOT but WOT (waste of time) at this point.

What stuck out to me in that video was the part where she talked about not being aware of how strong people's negative feelings about Nick were and not getting it because her experience of him as nice and supportive, and then said something like "I get it now" while making a face. She could be talking about getting that people hate him now because of the backlash against her, but the way she said it definitely sounded more like she got why people hated him...

I do wonder if something happened since FRC, since she has really changed her tune on him since that first media round. I get why, but it sucks to see her rewriting history...so far all we've seen is her lighting up every time he is around.

SueSt wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:Ah, the "devil made me do it" defense or the Scarlet O'hare defense "I just couldn't help myself".    Own it, Kaitlin. It is what it is. 

There is an expression I love: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
It's time to say goodnight to this franchise Nick. It does not appear reality tv is your best venue.

HA!   I thought you were talking about K.... sleeping with Nick at least twice (that she will admit).

Nah, not talking about K. I think even as a 30 yrs old there will be many more occasions for her to "fool me(her) twice".  She might even fit in with "fool me twice" repeat as needed.

Nick has not stopped going after Kaitlyn and making it clear he'd still pursue a relationship with her now, even though she's with Shawn. Of course she's not happy and gets why people don't like him now. He's a pot-stirrer, I don't know how else to put it.

historyrepeats: K has no choice but to change her tune.
Look who her F1 is.
She cannot keep embracing the "no regrets" and "Nick is a nice guy and there for the right reasons" stance for long if she wants to stay engaged.

Sidenote: your username says it all as to why K is saying what she is saying.
Nick always seems to be the post-show sideshow for these couples, even a year later.
Harsh as it sounds I feel no sympathy whatsoever.
Make your bed and lie in it.

No worries, Nick has a job and a life outside of the Back bubble, and it amazes me that he seems to be friendly with many producers. I hope he gets great compensations from them.

Nick Viall ‏@viallnicholas28 13m13 minutes ago

Got to love it when your work sends the whole office to the @U2 concert. Thanks @salesforce #dreamjob
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Robert Mills ‏@Millsy11374 7m7 minutes ago

@viallnicholas28 you lucky bastard!! Have fun!!
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Nick Viall ‏@viallnicholas28 7m7 minutes ago Chicago, IL

@Millsy11374 if you make it to Chicago next week I'll take you to the next show!

Alanna wrote:Nick has not stopped going after Kaitlyn and making it clear he'd still pursue a relationship with her now, even though she's with Shawn. Of course she's not happy and gets why people don't like him now. He's a pot-stirrer, I don't know how else to put it.

What?? What has he done? Have they met up? 
No? 
Are you referring to his sm support? IMO, if that's it that is the extent, in no way, shape or form is pursuing a romantic involvement. 
  Send me flowers. Gift me jewelry. Wine me, dine me. If all else fails chocolate will do. But liking my FB post or tweeting--get to the back of the line buster, I'm not in high school anymore.

Kashathediva wrote:

Alanna wrote:Nick has not stopped going after Kaitlyn and making it clear he'd still pursue a relationship with her now, even though she's with Shawn. Of course she's not happy and gets why people don't like him now. He's a pot-stirrer, I don't know how else to put it.

What?? What has he done? Have they met up? 
No? 
Are you referring to his sm support? IMO, if that's it that is the extent, in no way, shape or form is pursuing a romantic involvement. 
  Send me flowers. Gift me jewelry. Wine me, dine me. If all else fails chocolate will do. But liking my FB post or tweeting--get to the back of the line buster, I'm not in high school anymore.

Fair, you're not but Kaitlyn is. Remember this is how their relationship started in the first place. We can agree to disagree

historyrepeats wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:

happygolucky wrote:Ok, just a question - since I'm not sure what I should read first and where to turn - where is Kaitlyn "back-peddling" ... I'm just curious to see that "outcome" (which is simply - predictable).

HGL, she is in AOL video interview and labels with what I would call facial disgust, Nick as "just a flirt" and then talks about Shawn and her "we had these 'obstacles' to overcome". That essentially she was just mimicking Nick's behavior and thus her attraction to him was only because he is such a physical guy (sounds to me like the edit of the show). Also negates her making out with the other guys.

It is just a repeat of last year. There are MOT men and there are MOT couples. The whole show, imo is not just MOT but WOT (waste of time) at this point.

What stuck out to me in that video was the part where she talked about not being aware of how strong people's negative feelings about Nick were and not getting it because her experience of him as nice and supportive, and then said something like "I get it now" while making a face. She could be talking about getting that people hate him now because of the backlash against her, but the way she said it definitely sounded more like she got why people hated him...

I do wonder if something happened since FRC, since she has really changed her tune on him since that first media round. I get why, but it sucks to see her rewriting history...so far all we've seen is her lighting up every time he is around.

Yup, definitely stuck out to me too. I have to think that if something DID happen, it had to happen post-filming as she spoke pretty positively about him in her initial interviews and her first blog about him. Now, she has seemed to go full Andi on him.

It kind of sucks for me because I love both Kaitlyn and Nick, and now I feel like I have to take a side. I don't feel like Nick is doing the same stuff he did last year (like saying "my sister can't watch this episode...too steamy"). I feel like most of it is defending himself and Kaitlyn about the sex, and not really trying to get her back. Obviously, he might be doing that in private and if he is, I will be super disappointed in him. For some reason, I just feel like this is more of Kaitlyn trying to downplay the relationship to protect her alpha-male man's feelings and reputation. I guess we'll see!

Kashathediva wrote:

Alanna wrote:Nick has not stopped going after Kaitlyn and making it clear he'd still pursue a relationship with her now, even though she's with Shawn. Of course she's not happy and gets why people don't like him now. He's a pot-stirrer, I don't know how else to put it.

What?? What has he done? Have they met up? 
No? 
Are you referring to his sm support? IMO, if that's it that is the extent, in no way, shape or form is pursuing a romantic involvement. 
  Send me flowers. Gift me jewelry. Wine me, dine me. If all else fails chocolate will do. But liking my FB post or tweeting--get to the back of the line buster, I'm not in high school anymore.

Kasha you aren't in high school anymore but the majority of people on this show act like they are. But I agree, if that is pursuing these women need to meet real men who actually know how to pursue a woman and put cromagnum man back in his cave.

Poor Kaitlyn, I can't believe how awful Nick has been to her lately. Supporting her against hate-filled SM warts. Defending her choices via twitter. Telling the world that she should be allowed to do as she pleases without being villified. Yep, Nick sux.

I agree it's good to agree to disagree.  We have had some great discussions on this forum doing that! :Nod:
I remember, also, as was posted in another thread today, K was the one who initiated that sm relationship with N.
My belief is most adults need to put the electronics down and communicate the good ole fashioned way, talking or in their case, not talking perhaps.

chasingpavements wrote:

historyrepeats wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:
HGL, she is in AOL video interview and labels with what I would call facial disgust, Nick as "just a flirt" and then talks about Shawn and her "we had these 'obstacles' to overcome". That essentially she was just mimicking Nick's behavior and thus her attraction to him was only because he is such a physical guy (sounds to me like the edit of the show). Also negates her making out with the other guys.

It is just a repeat of last year. There are MOT men and there are MOT couples. The whole show, imo is not just MOT but WOT (waste of time) at this point.

What stuck out to me in that video was the part where she talked about not being aware of how strong people's negative feelings about Nick were and not getting it because her experience of him as nice and supportive, and then said something like "I get it now" while making a face. She could be talking about getting that people hate him now because of the backlash against her, but the way she said it definitely sounded more like she got why people hated him...

I do wonder if something happened since FRC, since she has really changed her tune on him since that first media round. I get why, but it sucks to see her rewriting history...so far all we've seen is her lighting up every time he is around.

Yup, definitely stuck out to me too. I have to think that if something DID happen, it had to happen post-filming as she spoke pretty positively about him in her initial interviews and her first blog about him. Now, she has seemed to go full Andi on him.

It kind of sucks for me because I love both Kaitlyn and Nick, and now I feel like I have to take a side. I don't feel like Nick is doing the same stuff he did last year (like saying "my sister can't watch this episode...too steamy"). I feel like most of it is defending himself and Kaitlyn about the sex, and not really trying to get her back. Obviously, he might be doing that in private and if he is, I will be super disappointed in him. For some reason, I just feel like this is more of Kaitlyn trying to downplay the relationship to protect her alpha-male man's feelings and reputation. I guess we'll see!

Hasn't she untagged him and cut him off so why is she so mad? He seems to be supportive on SM even though they dont communicate anymore.