Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

see2love wrote:

bleuberry wrote:Nick is my least favourite contestant of this franchise in recent years, and I can't wait until he's old news in a season or two. I think he's a sneaky little manipulative rat, and I got exactly what he tried to do last night in his tweets. They seemed very low key shady towards Kait (and probably her f1) and NOT supportive at all - though carefully worded they were. It was like his pre-ATFR performance and I shudder to think of the BS he'll spew then. This creep show is just getting warmed up.

I have tried to stay away from forming an opinion on him since Andy's season, but I now know it is because I have nothing good to say about him that I stayed my corner. He is a smug slime who cares nothing for anyone but himself.
Didn't he use "fiancee type stuff" to justify sleeping with and outing Andi? I guess his bullcrap metre just went off the roof since he was happy to have sex with Kaithlyn without being anywhere near her fiancee.

Yes, exactly, thank you!!!

I just cannot deal reading all his fake crap. Total ugh.

So Kaitlyn thinks that if the men (Shawn, mostly) find out, she'll be left alone? What about Nick? It's like she chose Shawn in her mind, freaked out and had sex with Nick ALSO just to test things out and now she's scared? Horrible judgement all around.

see2love wrote:

bleuberry wrote:Nick is my least favourite contestant of this franchise in recent years, and I can't wait until he's old news in a season or two. I think he's a sneaky little manipulative rat, and I got exactly what he tried to do last night in his tweets. They seemed very low key shady towards Kait (and probably her f1) and NOT supportive at all - though carefully worded they were. It was like his pre-ATFR performance and I shudder to think of the BS he'll spew then. This creep show is just getting warmed up.

I have tried to stay away from forming an opinion on him since Andy's season, but I now know it is because I have nothing good to say about him that I stayed my corner. He is a smug slime who cares nothing for anyone but himself.
Didn't he use "fiancee type stuff" to justify sleeping with and outing Andi? I guess his bullcrap metre just went off the roof since he was happy to have sex with Kaithlyn without being anywhere near her fiancee.

This is also my issue with him. He put so much importance to getting physical with Andi that I expected him to say no to SEX until he was the last one standing. I thought it was BS then and he has confirmed it by having non- fiance type sex with Kait this season.

Alanna wrote:

see2love wrote:

bleuberry wrote:Nick is my least favourite contestant of this franchise in recent years, and I can't wait until he's old news in a season or two. I think he's a sneaky little manipulative rat, and I got exactly what he tried to do last night in his tweets. They seemed very low key shady towards Kait (and probably her f1) and NOT supportive at all - though carefully worded they were. It was like his pre-ATFR performance and I shudder to think of the BS he'll spew then. This creep show is just getting warmed up.

I have tried to stay away from forming an opinion on him since Andy's season, but I now know it is because I have nothing good to say about him that I stayed my corner. He is a smug slime who cares nothing for anyone but himself.
Didn't he use "fiancee type stuff" to justify sleeping with and outing Andi? I guess his bullcrap metre just went off the roof since he was happy to have sex with Kaithlyn without being anywhere near her fiancee.

Yes, exactly, thank you!!!

I just cannot deal reading all his fake crap. Total ugh.

So Kaitlyn thinks that if the men (Shawn, mostly) find out, she'll be left alone? What about Nick? It's like she chose Shawn in her mind, freaked out and had sex with Nick ALSO just to test things out and now she's scared? Horrible judgement all around.

Agreed to all of this. Quite simply for me, Nick is a little skeeze and a sh*t stirrer.

I loved how People Magazine picked up on the fact that the first time Nick told the guys about his date, it was detailed, but not as bad as the second time he talked about it once he found out from Joe that Shawn got extra time as well. Nick didn't need to use the adjectives he did. He could have simply stated we hung out and talked, but Nick will never act classy IMO.

If you will have a person enslaved, the first thing you must do is convince yourself that the person is subhuman. The second thing you have to do is convince your allies so you'll have some help, and the third and probably unkindest cut of all is to convince that person that he or she is subhuman and deserves it.
- Maya Angelou

I'm glad to see Nick standing up to all the hate.  He is his own man and a true inspiration.

My personal interpretation of "fiancé type behavior" has to do again with timing. Funny how much of this season has to do with timing. IMO.
When the term fiancé type behavior first came up, it was in response to the emotional commitment that was falsely interpreted in the FS which then led to a physical commitment. This is an apple.
The emotional commitment seen last night was not on the same plane. The timing was not the same. The comparison not the same.  
Last night's sex was in the heat of the moment. It was brought up and encouraged by the female and eagerly pursued by both. The emotional commitment had it continued to grow, was not at a fiancé emotional commitment. This was a juicy orange. 
Timing was totally different for the acts and led to a totally different definition, IMO.  
Last night's sex was passion, scratching an itch and not a committal. JMOAA

I guess I never believed that the FS sex was anything other than an itch for both parties, I think Nick BSd his way out of that one and used it to his advantage because he was bitter and got a cold reception.

The FS has been known for years as the place where the sex happens on this show. It's been known for years as the place where contestants get down and dirty. I don't think that, what, two weeks, is a large amount of time difference from the two separate times Nick had sex with a lead on this show.

Given the way Nick hopped on Kaitlyn the first shot he could this season, one would think he would have been cool with what went down previously.

Kashathediva wrote:My personal interpretation of "fiancé type behavior" has to do again with timing. Funny how much of this season has to do with timing. IMO.
When the term fiancé type behavior first came up, it was in response to the emotional commitment that was falsely interpreted in the FS which then led to a physical commitment. This is an apple.
The emotional commitment seen last night was not on the same plane. The timing was not the same. The comparison not the same.  
Last night's sex was in the heat of the moment. It was brought up and encouraged by the female and eagerly pursued by both. The emotional commitment had it continued to grow, was not at a fiancé emotional commitment. This was a juicy orange. 
Timing was totally different for the acts and led to a totally different definition, IMO.  
Last night's sex was passion, scratching an itch and not a committal. JMOAA

Great post, Kasha. Timing and promises made or alluded to...

Ash2214 wrote:The FS has been known for years as the place where the sex happens on this show. It's been known for years as the place where contestants get down and dirty. I don't think that, what, two weeks, is a large amount of time difference from the two separate times Nick had sex with a lead on this show.  

Given the way Nick hopped on Kaitlyn the first shot he could this season, one would think he would have been cool with what went down previously.

Without going into a huge discussion about last season, there is a huge difference in context between what went down this time and previously. He had no closure for 3 months, and when someone tidies away a relationship in a matter of minutes on national tv, I think some form of verbal diarrhea was going to be inevitable.

Both people were willing participants this season, it isn't two days before an engagement and it isn't the same day as a person had confessed their love. If given closure last season, he most definitely would not have aired it on television and would have been fine imho

Alanna wrote:
Yes, exactly, thank you!!!

I just cannot deal reading all his fake crap. Total ugh.

So Kaitlyn thinks that if the men (Shawn, mostly) find out, she'll be left alone? What about Nick? It's like she chose Shawn in her mind, freaked out and had sex with Nick ALSO just to test things out and now she's scared? Horrible judgement all around.

Hmm - I think I've watched this play out before. 

MeAndI chose Josh in her mind, freaked out and had sex with Nick, then sent him home before the final rose ceremony to "prove" she really loved Josh. I wonder if Kaitlyn will follow this script? CH must be salivating at the thought of the most shocking ATFR show ever!

FLChica wrote:

Alanna wrote:
Yes, exactly, thank you!!!

I just cannot deal reading all his fake crap. Total ugh.

So Kaitlyn thinks that if the men (Shawn, mostly) find out, she'll be left alone? What about Nick? It's like she chose Shawn in her mind, freaked out and had sex with Nick ALSO just to test things out and now she's scared? Horrible judgement all around.

Hmm - I think I've watched this play out before. 

MeAndI chose Josh in her mind, freaked out and had sex with Nick, then sent him home before the final rose ceremony to "prove" she really loved Josh. I wonder if Kaitlyn will follow this script? CH must be salivating at the thought of the most shocking ATFR show ever!

The main drama is really happening between K & her F2. Do you think they are going to address any of this in the MTA?

happydays wrote:

FLChica wrote:

Alanna wrote:
Yes, exactly, thank you!!!

I just cannot deal reading all his fake crap. Total ugh.

So Kaitlyn thinks that if the men (Shawn, mostly) find out, she'll be left alone? What about Nick? It's like she chose Shawn in her mind, freaked out and had sex with Nick ALSO just to test things out and now she's scared? Horrible judgement all around.

Hmm - I think I've watched this play out before. 

MeAndI chose Josh in her mind, freaked out and had sex with Nick, then sent him home before the final rose ceremony to "prove" she really loved Josh. I wonder if Kaitlyn will follow this script? CH must be salivating at the thought of the most shocking ATFR show ever!

The main drama is really happening between K & her F2. Do you think they are going to address any of this in the MTA?

My initial thoughts are the guys are going to keep it tasteful and if it starts to veer off it will be sparked and fanned by CH.