Andi Dorfman - The Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - #4

bleuberry wrote:If he was suffering from the bubble when he had sex with her in the FS, that would be his fault, not hers. I've said this before but no I don't believe they sat down before doing the deed and only went forward because he thought he was f1. That just doesn't sound believable, and that was before knowing he did the same with Kait on their very first date. Hogwash. I would respect him more had he just accepted the fact that he fell for the stupid premise of the show and let his ego get in the way. He was hurt and thought he had it in the bag.

I don't believe that she said "You are F1", but I think that she definitely said things to make him think that he was F1. I don't think it's any different than Kaitlyn going into the RC feeling super confident because she had just slept with Chris and he had said things like "hey, don't worry about getting stuck on the farm. We'll travel a ton when you get there". Or, Sean feeling super confident because Emily said things like "you're the only one I'm going to the FS with! I can't wait for Ricki to move to Dallas and start school there!". And, so forth. Yes, you can argue that it's the lead's job to do this. But, all of these people also have a right to feel betrayed and hurt.

A lot of female F2/F3s have already alluded to this, but just never came out and said the words "sex". I think that if it had been, say, Kaitlyn asking Chris the same question, most people would have called him a pig and been on her side.

chasingpavements wrote:

bleuberry wrote:If he was suffering from the bubble when he had sex with her in the FS, that would be his fault, not hers. I've said this before but no I don't believe they sat down before doing the deed and only went forward because he thought he was f1. That just doesn't sound believable, and that was before knowing he did the same with Kait on their very first date. Hogwash. I would respect him more had he just accepted the fact that he fell for the stupid premise of the show and let his ego get in the way. He was hurt and thought he had it in the bag.

I don't believe that she said "You are F1", but I think that she definitely said things to make him think that he was F1. I don't think it's any different than Kaitlyn going into the RC feeling super confident because she had just slept with Chris and he had said things like "hey, don't worry about getting stuck on the farm. We'll travel a ton when you get there". Or, Sean feeling super confident because Emily said things like "you're the only one I'm going to the FS with! I can't wait for Ricki to move to Dallas and start school there!". And, so forth. Yes, you can argue that it's the lead's job to do this. But, all of these people also have a right to feel betrayed and hurt.

A lot of female F2/F3s have already alluded to this, but just never came out and said the words "sex". I think that if it had been, say, Kaitlyn asking Chris the same question, most people would have called him a pig and been on her side.

Saint Nick clearly enjoys sharing, she very clearly said on the ATFR that she never said she was gonna pick him or said she loved him and the ONLY thing he countered with was that they did fiancé type stuff. I just think if blatant things like talking about their future together was said, he'd have revealed that too. I mean that's everyone's excuse for it right? That he wanted answers/closure? He certainly didn't hold back on the other stuff

bleuberry wrote:If he was suffering from the bubble when he had sex with her in the FS, that would be his fault, not hers. I've said this before but no I don't believe they sat down before doing the deed and only went forward because he thought he was f1. That just doesn't sound believable, and that was before knowing he did the same with Kait on their very first date. Hogwash. I would respect him more had he just accepted the fact that he fell for the stupid premise of the show and let his ego get in the way. He was hurt and thought he had it in the bag.

I don't think it is appropriate to drag kaitlyn in this, because we dont know what happened yet.
And that is obviously in different context, I don't think it's fair to anyone to make a direct comparison

Back to that Andi Dorfman, Nick said it ON NATIONAL TV that he made it clear to that bitch before having sex, but she still did it with him. That was why he was led on and he wanted to know why.And i remember that stone cold bitch didn't deny this argument, didn't say she misunderstood his intention before sex, SHE KNEW WHAT HE THOUGHT BEFORE HAVINF IT.

AND she was just mad he called her being a liar, not mad that Nick made up a story.
However, for what you have said here, was just what u guess it happened. But that bitch already presented the case herself.

He actually did withhold information - Ali asked him what he meant by "fiance type stuff" and he said that he had already said too much and didn't want to reveal that too (paraphrased).

I feel bad for this bitch, really.
She can only get this much of attention when it came to Nick, not some other achievement she has. How much longer can she live on the "fortune" Nick left behind? And I am gonna say this again, if she hated Nick spoke things out in the pulic, what is she doing now?

and we have almost nothing exciting or positive to talk about her, to make those who are not fans may have a chance to start see a different side of her. Instead, she keeps going to the bitchy direction that she said she hated.

What a pathetic little bitch.

nannymargie wrote:

whit90 wrote:

bleuberry wrote:When Nick outed her on TV, many defended his right to do that and said Andi brought it on herself. Well now Nick goes back for Bachelorette serving #2, opening himself up yet again to criticism from viewers - Andi being one of them. Some would say he brought it on himself and just goes with the territory.

Till this day I still defend him with what he said to Andi. You do not go around leading someone around telling them not to worry and that everything is fine . Then you sleep with him 2 days before you are supposedly so in love with someone else and get engaged.  Then at the AFTRC you come out being a cold hearted bitch when all he wanted was closure. if she would of had one ounce of compassion it would never of happen IMO.Nick will be critized no matter what he does but the great thing and one of the reason I love him is he will not care. He knows who he is and seems to be very happy at this time. JMO.

How do you have compassion for someone who is a sore loser and thought all along that no one else was competition?  He was over confident and acted like there was no way she could have feelings for anyone else.  He didn't except her decision and tried to see her twice and then in his letter tired to get her to change her mind.  I don't know how I would have acted in that situation either.

It is very easy because I do not see him the way you do. I see a very compassionate man, family man, hard worker, risk taker , does not care what anyone says because he knows who he is, and gorgeous . But I could ask you the same question How can you even have one ounce of respect for a woman that plain and simple is a royal bitch. She has no compassion for others, wants things handed to her on a silver platter without having to work . She has no clue what reality is she is not doing one thing productive to improve her life. Unless posting selfies is a new career .

Peggy, I understand you don't like Andi but is the name calling really necessary?

nannymargie wrote:Peggy, I understand you don't like Andi but is the name calling really necessary?

She acts like a bitch, this is it.
It is not necessary, but this is the perfect way for me to refer to this person.

And Nick is one whiny Bitch, tired of hearing his victim MO...I am glad Andi, isn't sugar coating or being PC, why should she? Those who like her will and those who don't won't...This is a man who goes back on this circus with the same MO, no one exist but him...Can't wait for her tweets next week...

Don't one have to continually have to whine about something to be a whiny bitch? The only person still talking about last year and whining about it is Andi

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umngirl wrote:Bottom line for me is that they were both willing participants. Nick went through with it knowing there was a possibility he wouldn't be F1. If he either chose to believe sex for him meant F1 and/or forgot the fact there were other guys still there, that's on him. Both of said that Andi never said she loved him or was going to pick him. Yet, he still had sex with her. He could have declined. So he isn't blameless in this situation. And he certainly isn't blameless for the outing on the ATFR when he was stumbling, bumbling only before he got that line out perfectly.

FTR, Andi isn't blameless either. They both are and I'm giving them equal blame in this whole mess.

If Nick does this again this season, it will again be part his fault as well.

AMEN!