Re: The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Britt Nilsson - Premier May 18-19 - Thread #2 *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

[officeRules]

Ok i consider myself a fair and balanced person....and as someone that really likes Nick, i don't agree with what went down with Kaitlyn, it's disrespectful to the other guys IMO

As a fellow Nick fan, I have to agree with you mercieme.  We don't know how this turns out yet, but if it's all true, his poor Mother.  He had to know they would air this!

I think, though, we don't know what went down yet (or who went down).
It isn't what it seems- The shot of Kaitlyn hiding her face hanging over the rail with her voice sounding upset? I don't even think she is crying there. I showed my husband and he said she was laughing too.

Don't believe the first viewing of the preview. It's wrong. LoL

[mizzoufan]

Dr Chris having a mesnick-  without the railing.



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This looks like he's busting up laughing

[albean99]

I don't think naked guy is Nick. Too broad in the shoulders. Didn't Shawn have similar socks in the premier?

I get not liking Nick but I'm interested in seeing their chemistry. There's something..... that leads to something else.

Still don't know what happens with the schedule but this may have had something to do with it.

[SueSt]

I don't think there is anything wrong with her sleeping with who ever she wants, whenever she wants. Her body and her life, and she gets to do what she wants with both. And clearly she really liked/likes Nick.

What I find hard to believe is that:
a) she would bring Nick on and tell the guys that she talked to him before;
b) then would sleep with him within a few weeks, before FSD (which is universally known as the time to sleep with the lead) and tell the guys;
c) any of the guys would remain on the show and invested and thinking they were going to get engaged to her.

Why on earth would she tell them? And why on earth would the other guys not read into that some  VERY strong signals that she wasn't as into them? I call BS. This is too ridiculous not to be scripted and planned out. JMO.

Great post allykat.

So N&K were involved, very involved before the season (via sm) and couldn’t wait or wouldn’t wait to consummate their relationship. I’m not surprised, Nick does not play by the rules… And Kasha said it, GA said it, the sex was consensual. N&K made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

But I’m really confused as to why K told the other guys?? I mean what’s with the kiss and tell?? If you really love Nick or even really lust him, keep your mouth shut and ride out the season until you can be together. Or did Nick kiss and tell? Or did someone else figure it out? Or did TPTB make sure everyone else knew?? – maybe it left K no choice but to confess.

But IA, once all the guys know, why would anyone want to stay?? Unless they were paid or coerced by TPTB?

And if you believe RS, the real mystery remains why didn’t K and Nick get engaged or at least date???

[mercieme]

Ok i consider myself a fair and balanced person....and as someone that really likes Nick, i don't agree with what went down with Kaitlyn, it's disrespectful to the other guys IMO

As a fellow Nick fan, I have to agree with you mercieme.  We don't know how this turns out yet, but if it's all true, his poor Mother.  He had to know they would air this!

I think, though, we don't know what went down yet (or who went down).
It isn't what it seems-   The shot of Kaitlyn hiding her face hanging over the rail with her voice sounding upset?  I don't even think she is crying there.   I showed my husband and he said she was laughing too.

Don't believe the first viewing of the preview.  It's wrong. LoL

But RS releasing that information on twitter, that's potential libel if not true that is throwing Nick's name out there, I would think RS wouldn't do it except he knows for sure having been sued in the past but who knows. Regardless of who it is, I don't agree that Kaitlyn should have done it and especially after last season, if Nick he should know better IMO. My worry for Nick is that he is very polarizing to the general public IMO, only few of us really get him.

[umngirl]

This whole pre-FS sex thing, no matter who it's with, reminds me yet again of how skeevy I find the sleeping with multiple people back-to-back-to-back. Like eww. Call me prude, but I much prefer when I know things aren't happening in the FS.

[Alanna]

I don't think there is anything wrong with her sleeping with who ever she wants, whenever she wants. Her body and her life, and she gets to do what she wants with both. And clearly she really liked/likes Nick.

What I find hard to believe is that:
a) she would bring Nick on and tell the guys that she talked to him before;
b) then would sleep with him within a few weeks, before FSD (which is universally known as the time to sleep with the lead) and tell the guys;
c) any of the guys would remain on the show and invested and thinking they were going to get engaged to her.

Why on earth would she tell them? And why on earth would the other guys not read into that some  VERY strong signals that she wasn't as into them? I call BS. This is too ridiculous not to be scripted and planned out. JMO.

Great post allykat.

So N&K were involved, very involved before the season (via sm) and couldn’t wait or wouldn’t wait to consummate their relationship.  I’m not surprised, Nick does not play by the rules…  And Kasha said it, GA said it, the sex was consensual.  N&K made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

But I’m really confused as to why K told the other guys??  I mean what’s with the kiss and tell??  If you really love Nick or even really lust him, keep your mouth shut and ride out the season until you can be together.  Or did Nick kiss and tell?  Or did someone else figure it out? Or did TPTB make sure everyone else knew??  – maybe it left K no choice but to confess.  

But IA, once all the guys know, why would anyone want to stay?? Unless they were paid or coerced by TPTB?

And if you believe RS, the real mystery remains why didn’t K and Nick get engaged or at least date???

I wonder if the blacklash was so strong and severe for Kait, it ruined anything she was building with Nick so she decided to walk away single and make a clean break.

Her only right decision this season it seems to me.

[Guest]

Ok i consider myself a fair and balanced person....and as someone that really likes Nick, i don't agree with what went down with Kaitlyn, it's disrespectful to the other guys IMO

As a fellow Nick fan, I have to agree with you mercieme.  We don't know how this turns out yet, but if it's all true, his poor Mother.  He had to know they would air this!

I think, though, we don't know what went down yet (or who went down).
It isn't what it seems-   The shot of Kaitlyn hiding her face hanging over the rail with her voice sounding upset?  I don't even think she is crying there.   I showed my husband and he said she was laughing too.

Don't believe the first viewing of the preview.  It's wrong. LoL

CH did say that someone would pull a full-Mesnick, and in the same article, defined it as "wailing over the railing". It's possible that she is laughing in the scene they showed, but it would be one hell of a coincidence if there was ANOTHER scene of someone on the railing.

[allykat]

I don't think there is anything wrong with her sleeping with who ever she wants, whenever she wants. Her body and her life, and she gets to do what she wants with both. And clearly she really liked/likes Nick.

What I find hard to believe is that:
a) she would bring Nick on and tell the guys that she talked to him before;
b) then would sleep with him within a few weeks, before FSD (which is universally known as the time to sleep with the lead) and tell the guys;
c) any of the guys would remain on the show and invested and thinking they were going to get engaged to her.

Why on earth would she tell them? And why on earth would the other guys not read into that some  VERY strong signals that she wasn't as into them? I call BS. This is too ridiculous not to be scripted and planned out. JMO.

I think that it's the same reason why Josh stayed with Andi after he found out that she had sex with Nick. Or why JP stayed with Ash, after she had sex with Ben. Or why Court stayed with Ben, after she found out he had sex with...everyone else. I would definitely have a problem with it, but for many of them, it's not a "real" engagement and are okay with the lead do whatever before settling down in a monogamous relationship.

As to why she told them? I do think that TPTB set it up. They probably egged Nick to go to her room knowing that they were dying to sleep together since January, then got another guy to knock on her door. If Kaitlyn/Nick have been FT-ing, they've probably already seen each other naked. OF COURSE, they are going to have sex the moment they are left alone. TPTB knew that and used it to their advantage. JMO.

But each of those are the final relationships. It's the end of the show, they've been chosen already, and the relationship has started. If they had to deal with it while still in the midst of the 'competition', would they have been as confident in their own 'connection'? Or would they read it as a signal that the relationship with another competitor was stronger? I guess we'll never know...but I would have taken it as a signal that they weren't as into me. And there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that TPTB manipulation was the reason she told them. It had to be. JMO.

[mercieme]

Dr Chris having a mesnick-  without the railing.


This looks like he's busting up laughing

I like me Dr Chris but me thinks Kaitlyn was giving him the boot there, just sadz

[Guest]

I don't think there is anything wrong with her sleeping with who ever she wants, whenever she wants. Her body and her life, and she gets to do what she wants with both. And clearly she really liked/likes Nick.

What I find hard to believe is that:
a) she would bring Nick on and tell the guys that she talked to him before;
b) then would sleep with him within a few weeks, before FSD (which is universally known as the time to sleep with the lead) and tell the guys;
c) any of the guys would remain on the show and invested and thinking they were going to get engaged to her.

Why on earth would she tell them? And why on earth would the other guys not read into that some  VERY strong signals that she wasn't as into them? I call BS. This is too ridiculous not to be scripted and planned out. JMO.

I think that it's the same reason why Josh stayed with Andi after he found out that she had sex with Nick. Or why JP stayed with Ash, after she had sex with Ben. Or why Court stayed with Ben, after she found out he had sex with...everyone else. I would definitely have a problem with it, but for many of them, it's not a "real" engagement and are okay with the lead do whatever before settling down in a monogamous relationship.

As to why she told them? I do think that TPTB set it up. They probably egged Nick to go to her room knowing that they were dying to sleep together since January, then got another guy to knock on her door. If Kaitlyn/Nick have been FT-ing, they've probably already seen each other naked. OF COURSE, they are going to have sex the moment they are left alone. TPTB knew that and used it to their advantage. JMO.

But each of those are the final relationships. It's the end of the show, they've been chosen already, and the relationship has started. If they had to deal with it while still in the midst of the 'competition', would they have been as confident in their own 'connection'? Or would they read it as a signal that the relationship with another competitor was stronger? I guess we'll never know...but I would have taken it as a signal that they weren't as into me. And there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that TPTB manipulation was the reason she told them. It had to be. JMO.

I can't speak to everyone, but I think that most/a lot of them probably do know. Courtney talked about it in her book, how she basically told Ben on their FS date that she knew that he would be sleeping with the other girls and she was okay with it, but she just didn't want to hear about it. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them have that attitude going into it. Just because of the fact that this show has been around for more than a decade now, and most of them must know what the FS entails.

[MiniDiva]

I think Kaitlyn and Nick must have gotten caught and she was confronted, so she had to fess up. JMO.

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