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Post by Living Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:57 am

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bilolo wrote:oh gosh we are not on the same page
some take what CH says as a clue others not


CH is a front man for the show and should be taken with a grain of salt. Anything more and it would be like taking financial advice from Bernie Madoff--kind of unwise. JMO
CH perpetuates MF's ponzi scheme, nothing more, nothing less.

Great! We will find out in a week whether CH is right or RS is right!

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Post by LibbyBell Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:57 am

nutty1 wrote:Everyone at this point is going to be trying to see how things point to their favorite. But I do believe Chris talks the company talk, Bentley being a prime example. If the edit shows Joe Schmo to be a crybaby, even if he really isn't, Chris will refer to him as a crybaby. That's the point I was making, not that it was changing JP being F1.

What Chris says is worth taking note of, IMO.

On the off chance Ben would be F1, he is saying "the (edited) frontrunner guy at the HTD's is not going to be the winner". JMO, of course, and that's JUST AN EXAMPLE, not saying Ben is F1.

I cannot wait for previews tonite. We will see FRC ones, don't you think?? Get ready for shadow analysis!!!



I understand what you're saying nutty and agree, we need to take note of what CH is saying but what he's saying (on the surface) may not mean what he means (literally), right?!?


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Post by nutty1 Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:59 am

LibbyBell wrote:
nutty1 wrote:Everyone at this point is going to be trying to see how things point to their favorite. But I do believe Chris talks the company talk, Bentley being a prime example. If the edit shows Joe Schmo to be a crybaby, even if he really isn't, Chris will refer to him as a crybaby. That's the point I was making, not that it was changing JP being F1.

What Chris says is worth taking note of, IMO.

On the off chance Ben would be F1, he is saying "the (edited) frontrunner guy at the HTD's is not going to be the winner". JMO, of course, and that's JUST AN EXAMPLE, not saying Ben is F1.

I cannot wait for previews tonite. We will see FRC ones, don't you think?? Get ready for shadow analysis!!!



I understand what you're saying nutty and agree, we need to take note of what CH is saying but what he's saying (on the surface) may not mean what he means (literally), right?!?

Yea, clear as mud huh??
Do you think there is any help out there for people like us???? rotfl


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Post by LibbyBell Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:01 pm

nutty1 wrote:
LibbyBell wrote:
nutty1 wrote:Everyone at this point is going to be trying to see how things point to their favorite. But I do believe Chris talks the company talk, Bentley being a prime example. If the edit shows Joe Schmo to be a crybaby, even if he really isn't, Chris will refer to him as a crybaby. That's the point I was making, not that it was changing JP being F1.

What Chris says is worth taking note of, IMO.

On the off chance Ben would be F1, he is saying "the (edited) frontrunner guy at the HTD's is not going to be the winner". JMO, of course, and that's JUST AN EXAMPLE, not saying Ben is F1.

I cannot wait for previews tonite. We will see FRC ones, don't you think?? Get ready for shadow analysis!!!



I understand what you're saying nutty and agree, we need to take note of what CH is saying but what he's saying (on the surface) may not mean what he means (literally), right?!?

Yea, clear as mud huh??
Do you think there is any help out there for people like us???? Final Rose Ceremony - Screencaps - Discussion - Page 23 1806963828



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And, not a chance!! We're too far gone!! Final Rose Ceremony - Screencaps - Discussion - Page 23 1806963828


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Post by ironcat Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:10 pm

Do we really think Ashley changed her F1 after the HTDs? According to her, no, she said she knew early on. Therefore, CH is talking about the EDITED frontrunner changing, not the actual F1. He says it is now JP, so based on edit, then the producers' plan must be for it to change to Ben. They are going to try to, through the edit, convince the viewers that she picks Ben. So when she ends up picking JP, we'll get the surprise ending they go for every season. Thanks for the heads up, CH!

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Post by CarrieA Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:13 pm

ironcat wrote:Do we really think Ashley changed her F1 after the HTDs? According to her, no, she said she knew early on. Therefore, CH is talking about the EDITED frontrunner changing, not the actual F1. He says it is now JP, so based on edit, then the producers' plan must be for it to change to Ben. They are going to try to, through the edit, convince the viewers that she picks Ben.So when she ends up picking JP, we'll get the surprise ending they go for every season. Thanks for the heads up, CH!

And good luck with that one buddy, you're going to need it.

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Post by LibbyBell Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:15 pm

ironcat wrote:Do we really think Ashley changed her F1 after the HTDs? According to her, no, she said she knew early on. Therefore, CH is talking about the EDITED frontrunner changing, not the actual F1. He says it is now JP, so based on edit, then the producers' plan must be for it to change to Ben. They are going to try to, through the edit, convince the viewers that she picks Ben. So when she ends up picking JP, we'll get the surprise ending they go for every season. Thanks for the heads up, CH!



IC, I think that the statements that CH has made are meant to be misleading. Some part of her decision may have changed but, I don't think it is what it seems on the surface (that JP slips). I think that Ashley was happy and positive about her choice long before the HTD's. I think she could have ended the show after HK and would have been just as happy! This is just my opinion-- I know others disagree.


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Post by Pattycake92 Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:22 pm

Living wrote:
LibbyBell wrote:
Tnmomof4 wrote: with the three guys she has left, things aren't quite as smooth. By the end of next week, the order of who's on top will change.

This statement, which of course is meant to make us believe that Ben goes ahead of JP could also mean (since CH is talking about all 3) that because of what Constantine does, Ben goes "on top". Prior to the FD, JP and Constantine were "on top", now JP and Ben are "on top".
After the htd I definitely got the impression that Constantine was her 2nd choice. My unspoiled friend actually was surprised that Ben did not go home last week. Just a thought.



Tnmomof4, this is a good point. i can see that this is how they are spinning the "the order will change".

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I do not know if you read the original CH wording. He said JP is at the top now but that will change.

Looks like he ends up on top to me :fanningfan Sorry couldn't resist!

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Post by Alanna Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:24 pm

Living wrote:
Kashathediva wrote:
bilolo wrote:oh gosh we are not on the same page
some take what CH says as a clue others not


CH is a front man for the show and should be taken with a grain of salt. Anything more and it would be like taking financial advice from Bernie Madoff--kind of unwise. JMO
CH perpetuates MF's ponzi scheme, nothing more, nothing less.

Great! We will find out in a week whether CH is right or RS is right!

Living, I think I missed something. I thought you determined Ames was F1 and that TPTB were making everything up about him dating Jackie? Do you think he comes to the FRC instead of JP who is F3?


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Post by LibbyBell Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:26 pm

Pattycake92 wrote:Looks like he ends up on top to me Final Rose Ceremony - Screencaps - Discussion - Page 23 502611898 Sorry couldn't resist!

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HILARIOUS Pattycake!! Which clip is this? Can't believe, I don't remember it!!


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Post by clueless Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:26 pm

ironcat wrote:Do we really think Ashley changed her F1 after the HTDs? According to her, no, she said she knew early on. Therefore, CH is talking about the EDITED frontrunner changing, not the actual F1. He says it is now JP, so based on edit, then the producers' plan must be for it to change to Ben. They are going to try to, through the edit, convince the viewers that she picks Ben. So when she ends up picking JP, we'll get the surprise ending they go for every season. Thanks for the heads up, CH!

Thank you for the perspective (hope).

What color is the dress Ashley is wearing for the FRC? Life&Style states Ashley is wearing a pink dress for the proposal.. True? It didn't look pink and/or light pink to me. Hope I didn't compeletely misunderstand.

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Post by Pattycake92 Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:30 pm

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HILARIOUS Pattycake!! Which clip is this? Can't believe, I don't remember it!!

It's the last preview that abc put out. It goes by really fast but she is pulling him down on top of her Embarassed
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