Bachelor 19 - Becca Tilly #4

Litta123 wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:Litta just realized your analysis was on the lock thread.

would you kindly bring it to F1 thread, with additional preface notes :

CH mentioned in a media/interview that they have to 'work around' some stuff, since C is wearing his heart on his sleeve  - (and that your analysis could be a case in point? ).


we have only about 1 week to go...keep the nuggets coming!

I've read through this entire thread to get caught up to now post. julychild, I'm right there with you about the preview. That's really what started me on the Becca is F1 drumbeat.

Thanks Ladybug and GA! I'll credit mura with asking me questions about the PIs that spurred me on to take a closer look.  

mura , I will gladly do this...but in the morning if it's okay. Friday night is date night with the hubs and we just got home, but are headed to bed. Just a quick question about the additional preface notes -- do you mean for me to include your sentence above? If not, can you be more specific? TIA.

grace8136 wrote:

mimitalks wrote:We know that the F1's name isn't always called first, right? I remember on Ashley's season often Ben's name would be before JP's. What if? and I had already thought this. The one he was sure of calling could have been Becca, but to create suspense TPTB had him call her name second. It would explain why Becca didn't look scared (solemn, but never scared, because she knew by now which girl was going home and because Chris had just told her multiple times he was falling in love with her and apologized for how things had gone down in the fantasy suite), but Kaitlyn seemed shaken. We weren't shown the end of the BC conversation, right? Somehow he reassured her. We saw her smiling as they were starting to walk in to the rc area. Anyway, I think in my fairlyland of the spoiler being wrong that Chris H. knew it was Becca Chris S. was indicating as the "easy rose". Right after Chris S. said one rose was easy (theme for Becca that was a voiceover on season preview - a beautiful girl who it was easy to have a relationship with):

Quoting myself from Becca Tilley Contestant thread #2 concerning full season preview:
"Voiceovers by Whitney about beautiful girls - showed McKenzie, then showed Becca - Becca shown twice, once when Whitney said beautiful girls, another closeup but briefly shown, later Chris says in voiceover, "some people you just kinda know, it's easy". Becca is then called for a rose. Was what he said "editing"? a later pickup to carry the storyline of how easy things seemed with Becca? compares with the statement following that there are others (clearly not her) who he could be making a mistake with."

So after he indicated one rose was easy, who did he then talk about? Whitney and Kaitlyn, then Becca. Why not Kaitlyn and Becca and why even mention Whitney, if she is a sure thing? He even mentioned all 3 of them as possibly going home in his outdoor reflecting time - for the edit, I know. Pie in the sky, maybe, but it is my pie in the sky.

I've thought that too. The editing makes it seem like it's between Kaitlyn and Becca, but there's no actual evidence of that. I believe CH may have said something which supports your theory as well. I'm too tired to find it now. Mura??? Becca asked him how he was and he said good, then smiled and corrected himself to ok.

I remember that comment about people that you just kinda know. Good point.

Hopefully wrote:Now look at the start of the interview she does on same date. I just noticed this BUTTT there is no necklace IT'S not there. Then if you go on To the vidoe with C having the talk with her mom BINO the necklace is there

grace8136 wrote:

mimitalks wrote:We know that the F1's name isn't always called first, right? I remember on Ashley's season often Ben's name would be before JP's. What if? and I had already thought this. The one he was sure of calling could have been Becca, but to create suspense TPTB had him call her name second. It would explain why Becca didn't look scared (solemn, but never scared, because she knew by now which girl was going home and because Chris had just told her multiple times he was falling in love with her and apologized for how things had gone down in the fantasy suite), but Kaitlyn seemed shaken. We weren't shown the end of the BC conversation, right? Somehow he reassured her. We saw her smiling as they were starting to walk in to the rc area. Anyway, I think in my fairlyland of the spoiler being wrong that Chris H. knew it was Becca Chris S. was indicating as the "easy rose". Right after Chris S. said one rose was easy (theme for Becca that was a voiceover on season preview - a beautiful girl who it was easy to have a relationship with):

Quoting myself from Becca Tilley Contestant thread #2 concerning full season preview:
"Voiceovers by Whitney about beautiful girls - showed McKenzie, then showed Becca - Becca shown twice, once when Whitney said beautiful girls, another closeup but briefly shown, later Chris says in voiceover, "some people you just kinda know, it's easy". Becca is then called for a rose. Was what he said "editing"? a later pickup to carry the storyline of how easy things seemed with Becca? compares with the statement following that there are others (clearly not her) who he could be making a mistake with."

So after he indicated one rose was easy, who did he then talk about? Whitney and Kaitlyn, then Becca. Why not Kaitlyn and Becca and why even mention Whitney, if she is a sure thing? He even mentioned all 3 of them as possibly going home in his outdoor reflecting time - for the edit, I know. Pie in the sky, maybe, but it is my pie in the sky.

I've thought that too. The editing makes it seem like it's between Kaitlyn and Becca, but there's no actual evidence of that. I believe CH may have said something which supports your theory as well. I'm too tired to find it now. Mura??? Becca asked him how he was and he said good, then smiled and corrected himself to ok.

I remember that comment about people that you just kinda know. Good point.

murasaki1393 wrote:Being kept here for easy reference

Ladybug82 wrote:Ok, I went ahead and re-watched in CC/typed up the whole RC talk between Becca and Chris.  

C: Hi
B: Hi
B: How are you?
C: Good
B:  Like Litta mentioned previously, she gives him an "are you serious?" look.  No actual verbal response.
C:  I mean…I’m ok.  (Chuckling)
C:  How are you?  (Clears throat)
B:  The longest few days.
C:  I thought about you a lot.
B:  I haven’t been able to stop thinking about you.
B:  I couldn’t sleep and - I don’t know.
B:  I just felt like the way we left things was just — regardless of what happens today is not
    how I wanted it to like, leave off.  But I just… I don’t know if it was the conversation we had
    and then not being able to see you or if it was just something that I realized that I’m crazy about you.
B:  And.. I think I realized that it’s not about like, not wanting to go home.  
    And wanting, like, this whole thing to be over.  Like, not wanting you and I to be over.
    And when you asked me about if I thought it was the show that was the reason that we were having these feelings  
    and falling in love and I kind of hesitated because I was nervous what you were gonna answer.
    But the only think I can credit the for is introducing us.  Like everything else has just been because of what I feel   for you.
C:  You know, I mean, I wanted to… I brought those things up because I really do like you
    and I really do see myself — I’m falling in love with you, I told you that a multiple times.  
B:  And I’m falling in love with you.  I - I want you to know that.
C:  (Heavy sigh)
B:  I realize how important it was that you felt like you could open up to me and share those things with me.
    And I think in that moment instead, I - I like, let it be a wall that came up instead of being able to, like,
    be able to tell you how I feel and reassure you, and I don’t wanna leave without you knowing, like, how I genuinely feel
    and put everything out there for you to know.  Because it’s all real and it’s all honest, and I honestly did not expect to feel
    this way coming in here.  I mean, I hoped I would, but I was like, I know how I am and so it’s just been so surprising to me.  
    And I haven’t been able to stop thinking about you and thinking about it, and…  I know it’s a conversation that we’re probably
    gonna have to have more, if this continues, about Arlington, and I’m willing to do whatever it takes to get to that point.  
    I just don’t want you to think that it’s something that I’ve, like, taken off the table at all.  It’s not like that at all.  
C:  Yeah, I mean, it’s… (sigh)  It’s tough and I’ve thought about it a lot.  I mean, I think I feel like I put you in a tough position
    that morning in general.  I just, I mean, it’s overwhelming.  And that’s because I have feelings for you, and they’re serious and…
    You know, and I — I’m just — was being open and honest, and… for me it’s about, like… finding true love, and finding someone
    that I feel like is the person I’m meant to be with, and this is crazy difficult for me.  And it’s cause I really care about you and —
    and I’ve never really doubted the potential that we have together.  Its just…  this is an extremely big week and — and this decision
    is not — It’s the most difficult decision that I’ve had to make so far.  And.. I don’t know.  This week is nothing I could’ve prepared myself for.
C: (inhales and exhales deeply)

The biggest thing I see, other than the fact they both use like too much   , is that Chris has told Becca multiple times he's falling for her.  And it appears he felt guilt for pushing too hard, too fast on whatever conversation they had in the early hours of the morning of their FS.  Make of it what you will.  

GuardianAngel wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote:snipped...

Good job Litta!  and Good catch GA!  

Will have to go search threw SC to grab them!

You just reminded me, yes, it was when I was going through the screen cap thread. Whitney date Becca date, etc.

Admin wrote:Sorry for the double post. Thanks mura for directing me to where it is. Do we have the conversation between Chris and CH?
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murasaki1393 wrote:

concerned36 wrote:

hmbach wrote:

Wondering if that was more of an off hand comment, as in he could flip a coin between the two because they were equally as difficult?  Either that or F1 was set all the way and it was a coin toss between the other too.  That would make me feel good if I was F1.

I would think that flipping a coin means choosing between 2. I think that means flipping a coin between Kaitlyn and Whitney?  Or Kaitlyn and Becca, since he felt Becca was an unknown with her feelings about him. This was before his FD with Becca, right?

I believe it was sleuthed that B's FD was first. and we know it was a bit on sour note between the 2 after the FD. Maybe that could explain he looked a bit 'lost' in the other 2 dates. ?

Ladybug82 wrote:

Admin wrote:Sorry for the double post. Thanks mura for directing me to where it is. Do we have the conversation between Chris and CH?
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Sorry for my double post as well!     I didn't transcribe the convo between them, and don't remember seeing it anywhere.  But I could've missed it!  I'll be busy all weekend, but maybe if no one else does it by then, i can try to get to it Monday sometime.  If someone else wants to do it so y'all don't have to wait on me, feel free, and thank you in advance!  

GuardianAngel wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote:

Admin wrote:Sorry for the double post. Thanks mura for directing me to where it is. Do we have the conversation between Chris and CH?
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Sorry for my double post as well!     I didn't transcribe the convo between them, and don't remember seeing it anywhere.  But I could've missed it!  I'll be busy all weekend, but maybe if no one else does it by then, i can try to get to it Monday sometime.  If someone else wants to do it so y'all don't have to wait on me, feel free, and thank you in advance!  

We are all loosing it! I work with two windows open at all times. Admin and GA. I thought I copied from Admin and posted as GA. Obviously I didn't.

Look up, yes you did transcribe the convo. :pullouthair:

Admin wrote:Sorry for the double post. Thanks mura for directing me to where it is. Do we have the conversation between Chris and CH?

Bringing this over from the Fan Forum.

murasaki1393 wrote:Being kept here for easy reference

Ladybug82 wrote:Ok, I went ahead and re-watched in CC/typed up the whole RC talk between Becca and Chris.  


The biggest thing I see, other than the fact they both use like too much   , is that Chris has told Becca multiple times he's falling for her.  And it appears he felt guilt for pushing too hard, too fast on whatever conversation they had in the early hours of the morning of their FS.  Make of it what you will.