Re: Andi Dorfman - Bachelorette 10 - Fan Forum - Discussion

by **GuardianAngel** Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:01 pm

Jolena wrote:
aviej wrote:But why you think ANdi would be the one to break things off? I think it was Josh. If it were Andi then why be extra clingy and affectionate to Josh on Monday and showing off the ring etc. I don't get it. To me, she was the one that was desperately hanging onto him - I think it is he that broke it off.

For me all signs point to Andi being the one to initiate the breakup. I guess it was Josh's Instagram that was immediately taken down , MM rushing to his side, & his friends tweets ( ie feel bad for my boy Josh , kicking a man when he is down ), as far as her pats on his back , I saw them to be more of Comforting kind of pat like ( everything will be ok) def not a " clinging " pat. I also noticed how so very quiet her camp remains . Imo if Andi wasn't the one to end it ( and I'm not saying that she isn't sad by the breakup) I just think we would have heard some words of comfort to her from at least one of her friends on SM and we haven't ( that came from Josh's side ). So putting that together from my perspective I think SHE was the one . Also , ( not that we can trust what we hear on TV because I know they want you to stay tuned in ), but the opening segment on the ET said " coming up, Why AD decided to end her engagement to JM. So I guess from what I'm reading It tend to make me lean towards the breakup came from her . Of course this is JMO .

Interesting perspective Jolena. yes

by luvlady345 Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:03 pm

I agree, Jolena not that it's makes it better or worse I do believe Andi did the breaking....

by StacyNor Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:30 pm

Jolena wrote:
aviej wrote:But why you think ANdi would be the one to break things off? I think it was Josh. If it were Andi then why be extra clingy and affectionate to Josh on Monday and showing off the ring etc. I don't get it. To me, she was the one that was desperately hanging onto him - I think it is he that broke it off.

For me all signs point to Andi being the one to initiate the breakup. I guess it was Josh's Instagram that was immediately taken down , MM rushing to his side, & his friends tweets ( ie feel bad for my boy Josh , kicking a man when he is down ), as far as her pats on his back , I saw them to be more of Comforting kind of pat like ( everything will be ok) def not a " clinging " pat. I also noticed how so very quiet her camp remains . Imo if Andi wasn't the one to end it ( and I'm not saying that she isn't sad by the breakup) I just think we would have heard some words of comfort to her from at least one of her friends on SM and we haven't ( that came from Josh's side ). So putting that together from my perspective I think SHE was the one . Also , ( not that we can trust what we hear on TV because I know they want you to stay tuned in ), but the opening segment on the ET said " coming up, Why AD decided to end her engagement to JM. So I guess from what I'm reading It tend to make me lean towards the breakup came from her . Of course this is JMO .

Interesting.... also Josh's instagram pic asking for prayers through this pain might indicate that Andi might be the breaker. If it is true she broke up with him, she has gained a little respect from me. She knew how much crap she was going to receive from the public but doing what was best for her instead of what the crowd wanted is a bit admirable. I say this as someone that dislikes Andi and a Nick fan.

by Ash2214 Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:33 pm

Sprite wrote:
stuckinsc wrote:The body language on Monday said to me that Andi was the breaker. Josh and his lack of filter has a hard time holding back and the back patting etc, seemed like Andi trying to keep his filter in place IMO. She didn't look heartbroken or in despair on Monday and if Josh was ending it, I would expect that. JMO.

Stuck you and I usually agree but not in this case. To me it was the exact opposite. She was manic and trying way too hard to look happy and project that they both were happy. She seemed almost hysterical or on crack. Yes, she was trying to keep his filter in because she didn't want him to spill the beans about them until she could talk to him in private and maybe try to change his mind. To me, he seemed much more in control and over it, indicating that he was the one that was done.

We all see it differently which is why I asked the question. I really would love to know what was the last straw. As usual, I think eventually we will figure it out...if we haven't already. We are just that good...

100% agree. Whether it was fake or not, she was affectionate to him in some ways. It seemed like she was trying to fake it so hard so she didn't break down whereas Josh just looked completely done. I think once November and December got here I think they both knew they were in trouble, but ultimately I think Josh was the one that was completely done IMO.

by Kashathediva Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:12 pm

I tend to agree with Jolena's pov. I think MEandI did the breaking up.

by bamagal Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:14 pm

Ash2214 wrote:
Sprite wrote:
stuckinsc wrote:The body language on Monday said to me that Andi was the breaker. Josh and his lack of filter has a hard time holding back and the back patting etc, seemed like Andi trying to keep his filter in place IMO. She didn't look heartbroken or in despair on Monday and if Josh was ending it, I would expect that. JMO.

Stuck you and I usually agree but not in this case. To me it was the exact opposite. She was manic and trying way too hard to look happy and project that they both were happy. She seemed almost hysterical or on crack. Yes, she was trying to keep his filter in because she didn't want him to spill the beans about them until she could talk to him in private and maybe try to change his mind. To me, he seemed much more in control and over it, indicating that he was the one that was done.

We all see it differently which is why I asked the question. I really would love to know what was the last straw. As usual, I think eventually we will figure it out...if we haven't already. We are just that good...

100% agree. Whether it was fake or not, she was affectionate to him in some ways. It seemed like she was trying to fake it so hard so she didn't break down whereas Josh just looked completely done. I think once November and December got here I think they both knew they were in trouble, but ultimately I think Josh was the one that was completely done IMO.

I am in TOTAL agreement -- her expressions, gestures and voice were way more animated than normal in both interviews. To me, Josh was just DONE and ready to drop the charade!

by Jolena Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:25 pm

aviej I guess it's possible that the pats on the back could have been "guilty" pats from her knowing all to well what was to come? idk. I do think that Andi has a better game face when she needs to have it, Josh not so much. I always thought women to be better actresses:) . jmo I'm sure that they will eventually find other people to love and make a life with and my money is on Josh being the one that finds it first. Maybe Its not fair to say because heck what do I know but I just think that Andi , right now may want the fame ,glam , business opportunities and maybe even someone more financially successful then Josh. ( those LV bags and jimmy Choo shoes, burberry shoes & purses are NOTcheap) more so then wanting to settle with the husband , baby and family life which Josh seems to want NOW / yesterday. Not saying she dosen't want that in her future but probably isn't ready for it now where as he is. My perspective on this also come from being a mother of 3 grown sons Josh's age so I kind of feel that I have a little insight on average guys and where Josh was truly coming from (or at least I think i do). . I , as I'm sure all of you as well ,hear from many guys/girls how hard it is out there to find a good partner so I hope they both find their " perfect match" and are happy moving forward.

I know some here would not like to see Josh be the bachelor but I personally would LOVE to see Josh as the lead I think he would make an awesome lead. I feel it would not only give him a shot at 25 hand picked girls of his criteria (most important to him) it would allow him an even greater platform to give back and help others which is something that is very close to his heart. JMHO

by stuckinsc Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:04 pm

Sprite wrote:
stuckinsc wrote:The body language on Monday said to me that Andi was the breaker. Josh and his lack of filter has a hard time holding back and the back patting etc, seemed like Andi trying to keep his filter in place IMO. She didn't look heartbroken or in despair on Monday and if Josh was ending it, I would expect that. JMO.

Stuck you and I usually agree but not in this case. To me it was the exact opposite. She was manic and trying way too hard to look happy and project that they both were happy. She seemed almost hysterical or on crack. Yes, she was trying to keep his filter in because she didn't want him to spill the beans about them until she could talk to him in private and maybe try to change his mind. To me, he seemed much more in control and over it, indicating that he was the one that was done.

We all see it differently which is why I asked the question. I really would love to know what was the last straw. As usual, I think eventually we will figure it out...if we haven't already. We are just that good...

I can see that perspective too. She just seemed more in control and pushing him along. But, that could definitely be my bias speaking.

by aviej Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:14 pm

stuckinsc wrote:
Sprite wrote:
stuckinsc wrote:The body language on Monday said to me that Andi was the breaker. Josh and his lack of filter has a hard time holding back and the back patting etc, seemed like Andi trying to keep his filter in place IMO. She didn't look heartbroken or in despair on Monday and if Josh was ending it, I would expect that. JMO.

Stuck you and I usually agree but not in this case. To me it was the exact opposite. She was manic and trying way too hard to look happy and project that they both were happy. She seemed almost hysterical or on crack. Yes, she was trying to keep his filter in because she didn't want him to spill the beans about them until she could talk to him in private and maybe try to change his mind. To me, he seemed much more in control and over it, indicating that he was the one that was done.

We all see it differently which is why I asked the question. I really would love to know what was the last straw. As usual, I think eventually we will figure it out...if we haven't already. We are just that good...

I can see that perspective too. She just seemed more in control and pushing him along. But, that could definitely be my bias speaking.

Then why is she holding onto the Mrs Murray in her IG still if she's the breaker? I'd think she'd be the one on the move going shopping and sstuff and Josh would be the more withdrawn, sobbing the whole time. It's hard to tell really when you look at all the arguments who ended it.

by stuckinsc Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:38 pm

aviej wrote:
stuckinsc wrote:
Sprite wrote:

Stuck you and I usually agree but not in this case. To me it was the exact opposite. She was manic and trying way too hard to look happy and project that they both were happy. She seemed almost hysterical or on crack. Yes, she was trying to keep his filter in because she didn't want him to spill the beans about them until she could talk to him in private and maybe try to change his mind. To me, he seemed much more in control and over it, indicating that he was the one that was done.

We all see it differently which is why I asked the question. I really would love to know what was the last straw. As usual, I think eventually we will figure it out...if we haven't already. We are just that good...

I can see that perspective too. She just seemed more in control and pushing him along. But, that could definitely be my bias speaking.

Then why is she holding onto the Mrs Murray in her IG still if she's the breaker? I'd think she'd be the one on the move going shopping and sstuff and Josh would be the more withdrawn, sobbing the whole time. It's hard to tell really when you look at all the arguments who ended it.

Has she posted to her IG since the breakup? If not, then it can be as simple as just not bothering too do it yet. Again, I can be wrong, and have no fact to substantiate my opinion at all.

by sara11 Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:41 pm

stuckinsc wrote:
aviej wrote:
stuckinsc wrote:

Has she posted to her IG since the breakup? If not, then it can be as simple as just not bothering too do it yet. Again, I can be wrong, and have no fact to substantiate my opinion at all.

She has deleted one or two IG pics since the breakup so she's clearly holding onto the MRs Murray part

by stuckinsc Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:44 pm

sara11 wrote:
stuckinsc wrote:

Has she posted to her IG since the breakup? If not, then it can be as simple as just not bothering too do it yet. Again, I can be wrong, and have no fact to substantiate my opinion at all.

She has deleted one or two IG pics since the breakup so she's clearly holding onto the MRs Murray part

Good to know. Thank you.

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