Bachelor 19 - Chris Soules - Episode 1 - Premier - *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

StacyNor wrote:I just saw the ratings and they are down. I guess the 3 hour show hurt their ratings from 2.7 last year to 2.2.

Oh, they will spin it as a good thing. That or adjust it.

So what does everyone think about the upcoming season clip? Chris was shown saying he was sorry, he's human...the short hair girl tells him she'll give him another chance. Britt says she doesn't want to see her future husband on TV doing that....Doing what? Being in the tent alone with Jade ... is that what knocks Chris off the pedestal with some of the girls?

Luvstruck wrote:So what does everyone think about the upcoming season clip? Chris was shown saying he was sorry, he's human...the short hair girl tells him she'll give him another chance. Britt says she doesn't want to see her future husband on TV doing that....Doing what? Being in the tent alone with Jade ... is that what knocks Chris off the pedestal with some of the girls?

I haven't seen it, but I could have sworn I read that he went into the tent with Kaitlyn?  As for Chris, he comes off as a guy that will have an affair or seduced easily.

You are correct, Atem. It was tent and Kaitlyn. 

Public yet personal plea!
Please if anyone is good at screencapping and has the time, can they go through the last 2 hours of M&G and screencap some of the ITM's/PI's?
It has already been notice that some of the women were in different clothes and settings during ITM/PI's. We normally utilize these for sleuthing. 
I would surely do this myself if I had those skills and this really is the meat and potatoes of sleuthing IMO--the screencaps. 
I will check and see what I can come up with in the meantime.

ETA: Dreamer has caps up for last nights upcoming season. In the past she has allowed use of her screencaps for analysis purposes only. What this means is her screencaps maybe used in our screencap analysis discussion thread, but not to be placed in our screencap only thread.

Luvstruck wrote:So what does everyone think about the upcoming season clip? Chris was shown saying he was sorry, he's human...the short hair girl tells him she'll give him another chance. Britt says she doesn't want to see her future husband on TV doing that....Doing what? Being in the tent alone with Jade ... is that what knocks Chris off the pedestal with some of the girls?

good question

Imho, I think the ratings has more to do with the general public getting tired of this show. 19 seasons is a long time for this show to keep up in ratings. I'm surprised they even got that many people to tune in and I m sure, the red carpet gave them that much viewings . I expect the numbers to go down. Nothing in the preview stood out to me- If he slept with a girl- it definitely can't be worse that Ben and Courtney's skinny dipping. I wasn't impressed with any of the girls. none of them stood out to them, will keep watching to see if that changes .

If there was somewhere this Canadian girl could watch the show, I would grab some s/caps later. It's always a challenge for us.

Here's my take on keeping the drunks. JPG let the drunk go home immediately the first night, there was no second chance for her. I'm interested in reading Chris' blog to see his reasoning for keeping the plastered ones.

They will use Prince Charming to take the heat off of them for the previous disastrous bachelor season. They have alluded to that a few times, and continued making their case by badgering Nikki last night. It's not their fault the season was a mess. JMO

albean99 wrote:Forgot to say that my favorite of the girls so far is Kelsey from Austin which probably means she's gone tonight.

Just as well that she didn't win. I don't know how you move from Austin to Arlington, Iowa.    Chris would have to morph into say Bradley Cooper, Jake Gyllenhaal or Liam Hemsworth (I love Gale:-) to make it worthwhile.  

Sprite wrote:

ReneeM wrote:

atem wrote:

I sure wouldn't want that Nikki as the next Bachelorette.

It's moot because I don't think she would accept if they did offer. I was just saying a lot of people would tune in if she was, not necessarily because they like Nikki but because they hate JP

And I would bet that she would. If she did not want any attention, she would not have shown up tonight. Plus, it would be her way of saying screw you to JPab. There is a reason she is biting her tongue. She wants to undo some of the bad press she received from Couples Therapy.

I agree. That was an audition and she was trying! No other reason to give her 8 minutes. I could not believe it kept going on and on. I don't think she did all that well audition wise. For herself.. she did, she took the high road, although I suspect that she did most of that for herself, she still wants to save face.. like saying there were normal ily and a time when she felt he was really in love. TPTB probably wanted her to throw JP under the bus somewhat while invoking sympathy for herself. I don't think she did that. Definitely had a boob job, hopefully not as a last ditch effort to win over JP.  I noticed it awhile back in some pictures from a party with Josh and Andi. I didn't know she went to Miami after that and had briefly gotten back together with JP. I really don't want to see her as 'ette after watching her on Couples Therapy. After talking about how annoying her fans are, she just needs to find love in Kansas City and go away IMO. I'd actually be open to Clare, but clearly they aren't considering her.

Kashathediva wrote:Britt is so full of producer bs she can't even remember her lines.

GuardianAngel wrote:Britt wants a small town? Like I said in her thread, she's going to be the perfect actress, the perfect 'ette performance.

I found her so fake, it was silly. Interesting that CH asked the audience if they found her genuine, like testing to see if it was working. If they were sure about Britt as 'ette they wouldn't have been auditioning Nikki. Seems like there are some other choices in Chris's season.. maybe Kelsey or Carly? I thought Carly did great thus far. I'm surprised they didn't let the general viewing audience know that she's Zak's sis or did I miss that?

Kashathediva wrote:

happygirl77us wrote:Who is getting the troublemaker edit?

So far Ashley S?
Agree with you, Luvstruck.
I am not surprised by the ratings. But it is a shame. I would be curious to the hourly break down if anyone has it. I wonder if that first extra hour of ex-cons hurt the time with the M&G.

I was disappointed by it, I hurried and got everything I had to do done, so I could just sit and enjoy the show, and then was bummed to have to sit through all of that. I thought Chris' time was getting cut short, didn't realize it was a 3 hour show. For me seeing past cast members wasn't a big deal, I would have rather just watched the show.

Kashathediva wrote:Kaitlyn is a mean girl. She is not funny.

I'm on the fence. When she flicked some sparkle off his face and said, "WHO IS SHE?!" I laughed out loud. That was funny. She also had a few other quick witty comments. She was cringeworthy at times, but may add some comic relief to an otherwise boring season. I suspect Chris's type was a bit crash like Kaitlyn and Tara, but maybe he wanted someone with a little more class for a wife and mother of his kids.  

Sprite wrote:Onion lady is nuts...or drunk...or most likely, both.

In the scene where she picked the pomegranate, I swear I saw her break character for a second. She rolled her eyes and smiled to the camera man. She may have been hired to spice up the show.

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GuardianAngel wrote:Within 24 hours of filming he was back at work.

So wait…..does that mean he didn't spend any time with his final choice?

Becca doesn't have an intro video?? Have the F1's always had one? Becca was way more hidden than Whitney. Are there other clues that Whitney is F1 besides her not returning to Instagram? btw... I liked Whitney. She looks a lot like one of Chris's sisters. He was sure taken with her at the limo intro, though he was wowed by quite a few of them. Her voice goes up and down. Sometimes it sounded totally normal and she does have a cute twang accent. I would not have been surprised if Chris was another bachelor that just picked the hot girl, so I'm impressed with his choice. Also, I had the impression that Whitney was sincerely interested in him.


If he actually slept with Kaitlynn Jade in the tent, I don't think he could come back from that with the girls. Did she stay in there all night?

Also, I didn't know that MM and Cody broke up. Too bad MM moved him into her house and let her daughter get attached to him. Poor kid.

I am trying to recall about the F1.. So some odd reason did we see Sean and Catherine? I know we saw Sc before the primier..some one can help me!

Hotmomma wrote:I am trying to recall about the F1.. So some odd reason did we see Sean and Catherine? I know we saw Sc before the primier..some one can help me!

CH interviewed Sean and Cat. Same old questions. They are boring married folks now, stayed home in sweats on new year's eve and may "pop" out a baby in 2016 according to Sean. I believe Kasha said it was 4 minutes long. Also, Josh and Andi's was only 3 minutes, and CH sort of called out Andi for being a little fake about moving to Iowa.