The Bachelor Canada - Season 2 - Episode 8 - Nov 4 - WTA - Discussion - *Spoilers*

AllAboutLove wrote:

atem wrote:Tim didn't say he was crazy for April, like he said for Trish.  

So far we have ONLY seen him say crazy and fell to Trish. Nothing to April's face or about her. Which begs the question: Why take April to F2 and lead her on when she is the most vulnerable? He realised that on her HTD how important all this was to her. To take her there and be less sure of her than Trish? I lose respect for him if that is the case. Better off taking Lisa.
Hopefully his family warms up because those previews, wow. I would want to leave as well. Not very welcoming to say the least.

rufaro96 wrote:Do you think April actually leaves or are they dramatising the whole situation to put us off

Maddy wrote:

rufaro96 wrote:Do you think April actually leaves or are they dramatising the whole situation to put us off

I think they are dramatising the whole situation...

AllAboutLove wrote:

richmondrose wrote:There was a photo of Tim and Trisha's dad talking together on HTD that BachCan posted on their website.

Yes, I previously posted it in the SC thread when HTDs aired but because it was not shown during the show and Auntie was showing what was shown on camera during last's seasons show, I didn't mention it in my post since that would not be comparable when viewing camera to camera.

Some differences from past/current seasons:
1) ITM's where Family talks about Bachelor on camera
Season 1: Bianca = Yes, Whitney = Yes (Both parents talk about Brad ITM on camera
Season 2: Trisha = No, April = Yes (YiaYia and Aunty talks about Tim on camera)

2) 1:1 with Family member/s and Bachelor alone on camera
Season 1: Bianca = Yes, Whitney = Yes
Season 2: Trish = No, April = No

As far as drama... that is left to interpretation. Watching Whitney's HTD is nothing like April's, imo. It was more like what Sachelle's was with her brother grilling Tim and then Sachelle's brother's ITM was like Whitney's dad's ITM (against and then slowly accepting). I see more similarities between Lisa and Sachelle's HTD (her brother that is) and Whitney than April.

AllAboutLove wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:To me, April's HTD was stressful.  It was tense.

IMO, they really thought a lot of Bianka after a quick conversation in the kitchen with the three ladies(Brads sister and mom with Bianka)  The rest of the date went well.

Whit's was extremely tense.  There were problems between the sister/mom and whit.  It didn't go well at all.

There were no problems between April's family and April. In fact, YiaYia said I love you in German to Tim and April said 'you said it before I even did'...

Also, Whit's dad was like Sachelle's brother... very skeptical, tense, but then a bit accepting by the end of the night yet still cautious. This was not the case with April's family.... her YiaYia and April's aunt may have been cautious but they were in love with Tim by the end of the HTD, no caution at all. YiaYia said she felt like she knew him forever, that her heart was connected to his heart. Those are huge words of acceptance!.

And in comparison? not one word of acceptance is said by Trisha's parents about Tim in an ITM as we saw with April's YiaYia. Trisha's mom does an ITM but she only talks about Trisha, not Tim. April's family on the other hand was loving Tim by the end of the night.

Even when April goes to say goodbye to Tim she says to him "That was so good. You were so good" and Tim says "it went awesome!". The comparison between Whit's HTD and April's and them both being tense, especially after just watching them, doesn't hold. Talking about one's childhood and losing your father to partying is hard but not tense/awkward. The HTD with the family and April was very warm, the music created a mood but YiaYia is hugging Tim, telling him in German she loves him, did his mommy say that to him, and then how her heart is connected to his and she feels like she knew him forever?

I struggle to see the connection to April's date being tense/awkward and having re-watched Whitney's even Whitney's reaction to Brad was extremely awkward. April had none of that while with Tim and her family. She was so very comfortable with him and sitting there next to him and her family. No awkwardness or tenseness from April at all.

AllAboutLove wrote:Shame. I was just thinking of something...

1) April's PI about her past and people looking at her differently:
Remember when April is talking in PI HTD (but from earlier in the show, TO?) that she is afraid people can see that she comes from parents that partied, a dad who died from partying? She talks about how she wonders if knowing this about her, that her past changes the way people look at her and see her. I think this is very concerning for her meeting Tim's parents. She already has a preconceived idea that people will think less of her so combine this with being 'judged' so to speak by Tim's parents as good enough for Tim, that could really, really upset her. Also, in that PI when she talks about how people look at her differently, she was tearing up EXACTLY like she is doing in the upset we see in Moorea. I wonder if that is the issue? She evens says in the upcoming preview that she feels rushed and doesn't like feeling rushed (she says this to Tim in the room) and that she just wants to leave. 


2) Tim running to April and April saying she wants to leave:
The main point to notice is that NOWHERE does it indicate that Tim wants April to leave or is letting April go. He is running like a madman to her and by SCs she is wanting to leave and he has to fight for her to stay or change her mind, reassure her. By April acting this way, Tim will have to show his cards, somehow. He won't be able to lead her on at all if she is not the one for him and if she is, he certainly cannot put her through more misery. How he goes about that is beyond me when April is the one ready to go before heis ready to let her. Which brings up the next point...


3) Tim knows who April is. He reads and understands her just like April said on her HTD and Tim said it is really crazy:
In the upcoming previews when Tim and April are sitting at a table together April says she "really scared" and Tim says "I know". Now if Tim knows April as well as he has the entire season, and can read her, and then says he knows she is scared, there is no way he would have brought her to F2 if she wasn't his F1. Doing so would be cruel on his part at worst and disingenuous at best in leading her on.  

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tim&aprillove wrote:

Maddy wrote:

rufaro96 wrote:Do you think April actually leaves or are they dramatising the whole situation to put us off

I think they are dramatising the whole situation...

Me 2 IMO somthing dramatic will actualy happen this time but in the end we will get the happy ending with T&A  :cutesmile!: :yes

Aunties_Love wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:Shame. I was just thinking of something...

1) April's PI about her past and people looking at her differently:
Remember when April is talking in PI HTD (but from earlier in the show, TO?) that she is afraid people can see that she comes from parents that partied, a dad who died from partying? She talks about how she wonders if knowing this about her, that her past changes the way people look at her and see her. I think this is very concerning for her meeting Tim's parents. She already has a preconceived idea that people will think less of her so combine this with being 'judged' so to speak by Tim's parents as good enough for Tim, that could really, really upset her. Also, in that PI when she talks about how people look at her differently, she was tearing up EXACTLY like she is doing in the upset we see in Moorea. I wonder if that is the issue? She evens says in the upcoming preview that she feels rushed and doesn't like feeling rushed (she says this to Tim in the room) and that she just wants to leave. 


2) Tim running to April and April saying she wants to leave:
The main point to notice is that NOWHERE does it indicate that Tim wants April to leave or is letting April go. He is running like a madman to her and by SCs she is wanting to leave and he has to fight for her to stay or change her mind, reassure her. By April acting this way, Tim will have to show his cards, somehow. He won't be able to lead her on at all if she is not the one for him and if she is, he certainly cannot put her through more misery. How he goes about that is beyond me when April is the one ready to go before heis ready to let her. Which brings up the next point...


3) Tim knows who April is. He reads and understands her just like April said on her HTD and Tim said it is really crazy:
In the upcoming previews when Tim and April are sitting at a table together April says she "really scared" and Tim says "I know". Now if Tim knows April as well as he has the entire season, and can read her, and then says he knows she is scared, there is no way he would have brought her to F2 if she wasn't his F1. Doing so would be cruel on his part at worst and disingenuous at best in leading her on.  

I am really having a hard time with what you are saying that there is no way he'd take April to F2 and lead her on.....doesn't any final 2 person get led on?  Why is it ok to lead Trish on and hurt her but not April....IMO that doesn't make sense.  I know the game, someone gets led on, but for us to sit back and say it's perfectly understandable for him to lead Trish on and not April, that's the point that I say WOW.

Maybe it just is April that is let go or leaves at F2 and Trish is the actual F1.  IMO, everything is open for thoughts, butthe saying that it is fine to lead Trish on as "she'll understand" is something that I don't think is very cool.  She's the one that he's said those things to her face and they were on the show....don't think that will be easily understood or forgiven.  That would be insulting and very hurtful, IMO.

grace8136 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:Shame. I was just thinking of something...

1) April's PI about her past and people looking at her differently:
Remember when April is talking in PI HTD (but from earlier in the show, TO?) that she is afraid people can see that she comes from parents that partied, a dad who died from partying? She talks about how she wonders if knowing this about her, that her past changes the way people look at her and see her. I think this is very concerning for her meeting Tim's parents. She already has a preconceived idea that people will think less of her so combine this with being 'judged' so to speak by Tim's parents as good enough for Tim, that could really, really upset her. Also, in that PI when she talks about how people look at her differently, she was tearing up EXACTLY like she is doing in the upset we see in Moorea. I wonder if that is the issue? She evens says in the upcoming preview that she feels rushed and doesn't like feeling rushed (she says this to Tim in the room) and that she just wants to leave. 


2) Tim running to April and April saying she wants to leave:
The main point to notice is that NOWHERE does it indicate that Tim wants April to leave or is letting April go. He is running like a madman to her and by SCs she is wanting to leave and he has to fight for her to stay or change her mind, reassure her. By April acting this way, Tim will have to show his cards, somehow. He won't be able to lead her on at all if she is not the one for him and if she is, he certainly cannot put her through more misery. How he goes about that is beyond me when April is the one ready to go before heis ready to let her. Which brings up the next point...


3) Tim knows who April is. He reads and understands her just like April said on her HTD and Tim said it is really crazy:
In the upcoming previews when Tim and April are sitting at a table together April says she "really scared" and Tim says "I know". Now if Tim knows April as well as he has the entire season, and can read her, and then says he knows she is scared, there is no way he would have brought her to F2 if she wasn't his F1. Doing so would be cruel on his part at worst and disingenuous at best in leading her on.  

I am really having a hard time with what you are saying that there is no way he'd take April to F2 and lead her on.....doesn't any final 2 person get led on?  Why is it ok to lead Trish on and hurt her but not April....IMO that doesn't make sense.  I know the game, someone gets led on, but for us to sit back and say it's perfectly understandable for him to lead Trish on and not April, that's the point that I say WOW.

Maybe it just is April that is let go or leaves at F2 and Trish is the actual F1.  IMO, everything is open for thoughts, butthe saying that it is fine to lead Trish on as "she'll understand" is something that I don't think is very cool.  She's the one that he's said those things to her face and they were on the show....don't think that will be easily understood or forgiven.  That would be insulting and very hurtful, IMO.

April's got a dead father, missing mom, was cheated on by her long term boyfriend and has had a harder time opening up. I'd say she is the more vulnerable of the two.