The Bachelor Australia - Season 2 - Blake Garvey - ATFR - *Spoilers* - Media & Social Media Discussion #2

Emusha.... Lisa was in contact with Blake post-South Africa but only post-Finale (episode) did he ask her the question about her feelings...

Focusing on just Blake,  Sam and Lisa. If you look at the timeline and what was said, to me it makes sense... it's not as complicated to me as l thought (even if he is shady, the stories line up).

Post South Africa/filming:
- Lisa was in contact with Blake after the show/South Africa. We can confirm this since Sam, Blake and she admits it.
- Lisa was following Blake's instagram account and said she thought of him as just a friend. Blake orobably took this as he still had a chance with Lisa. He probably didn't realise he was just friendzoned and that was just kindness on Lisa's part. (Remember, Lisa has not yet seen finale where he cries when she leaves).
- Lisa tells us that he was emotional and she wanted to be there for him as a friend and that Sam was okay with it. Makes total sense given Lisa and Sams relationship throughout the show. They trust each other 100%. Sam said the same thing,  that Blake was emotionally confused and was trying to give him support to figure it all all in his head.  
- Blake consistently says he is with Sam in all interviews.
- Two weeks before the finale airs he has no more interviews he seemed confused about everything at the end of that interviews.
- The week before the finale he breaks up with Sam.

Finale Episode/Post-Finale:
- Now Lisa has seen Blake cry his eyes out when she left.
- He calls her after she has seen this and asks if she still has feelings and can see a future with him.
- Lisa tells him "to get lost and how dare he try to break up her friendship with Sam". Lisa posts "Sisters before Misters" photo of her and Sam on Lisa's instagram.
- She tells Sam what he did and so Sam looks/sounds pi55ed off in her TheProject interview.
- Lisa and Sam begin to suspect that Blake may have done this with someone else.
-  The only person not talking to them now is Louise. Women's instinct and plain logic hits in.
- They suspect Louise but aren't sure. They along with Zoe ask if he is with her. He evades the question and Louise doesn't respond.
- They find out their suspicions are true when the Paid Woman's Day article us tweeted by Blake AND Louise.
- Lisa and Sam are stunned/hurt that Louise never told them herself. Louise confirms that she never responded or told them.
- Lisa went from "support Sam no negativity towards Blake" BEFORE she knew about Louise. AFTER knowing, and finding out that Blake wrote a letter to Louise 'before' the finale and STILL called Lisa, Lisa is now no longer 'no negativity' towards Blake anymore.
- Lisa is telling her side now because she emailed Louise telling her all this but Louise never responded.
- So Lisa decides to tell what happened to her after the finale episode on The Project.  
- She wants Louise to realise that Blake called her after the show aired and after sending Louise the letter. She did this publicly for Louise's sake but thinks Louise is too naive. They hope its genuine and real for Louise's sake.

IMO, to me it's actually quite simple and believable how Lisa post-South Africa is friends with Blake (remember.... Blake, Sam and Lisa were very very comfortable with each other. We saw this on their 2 on 1 date). Lisa and Sam were fine with Blake until the breakup.. then Lisa supported Sam her closest friend but felt bad for Blake until he called her after the show to ask about feelings, after he knew she saw him crying, and she says get lost!! Lisa and Sam have a true friendship. Blake knew this in South Africa so it's no wonder he went to Louise first. He wasn't lying when he said he had feelings for all final 3 girls. But, He needed Lisa to see how devastated he was about her leaving so he had to wait to call her after she watched it. But, he also knew how Sam and Lisa were very close so while hopeful he didn't want to underestimate their bond. And the only way to convince Louise was to let her know he wants to be her only love (notice he never said SHE was his only love) and to write her (through her dad! ha!) before the proposal episode so she watches it without much shock at all because she secretly knows its her he wants. Blake just wanted to guarantee he was with someone else. I believe he really wanted Lisa but he knew he had a slim chance because of how close Sam and Lisa were/are. He always knew Louise wanted him. Louise was the only one who said so when she left and he never shed a tear for her at all. He had to contact her before the finale to get Louise to believe him but he was hopeful that Lisa would watch the episode and have the feelings he had when he sobbed when she left. She was over him. Funny enough, the very thing he said about Sam and why he broke up with her (no romantic love only friendship) is EXACTLY what Lisa has said about Blake (friendship not love). He took a chance and it bit him by contacting Lisa. He probably never expected her to go public (and she wouldn't have until Louise was now being one of many). But, he planned to not put all his eggs in her basket, he had backup-F3-Louise who would love him for a lifetime and was still contacting him post-show (I believe this is true). If he could break it off with Sam he could just contact Louise and break it off with her. She was so 'private' in the media that he knew she wouldn't say anything and neither would her family... that is IF Lisa took him back. His heart hoped Lisa would, his head knew she wouldn't. I can actually see him being happy with Louise. She is the only one he DIDN"T really need to pursue much at all and the only one we NEVER saw say to her face he is falling for. Blake knew he was Louise's first love and he used that to say he wanted to be her only and last. Who knows, they just may work out based on Louise's love(?) for him. One thing is for sure, none of the other girls love him like that so he has little choice with anyone but Louise if he wants a love where the girl is very, very into him (I believe Sam was not that way, he had to pursue her constantly, he worked for it). He could never have told all the truth so it was better for him to get a Magazine deal and paint a Louise and Me 'Mesnick'. That is far less damage than if he admitted he was wanting Lisa and stringing Louise along as a guarantee backup. He may love Louise (and I think he loved all of them) but not with the same passion he did the other girls, that is for sure. So his whole "passion" love is not the real reason as much as having someone love HIM passionately (which Louise is the only one out of the last F3 that gave more than he did, Sam NEVER loved Blake passionate/affectionately as Louise did, and neither did Lisa and I think that is why he broke up with Sam. Because she would never be more into him than he was into her, it was always the other way around as we saw on the show and post-show. Doesn't mean Sam didn't love him, she just was used to him initiating and her receiving. For Lisa it was the same and for Louise, she was much much more into Blake than he into her. Doesn't mean he doesn't love Louise. He just loved the other two more than Louise (based on him telling only Sam and Lisa to their face he was falling for them) but Louise loved him more than Sam and Lisa did (based on willing Louise was and how reluctant Sam and Lisa were to say so to his face). Louise and Blake just might work based on that alone.
Jmho.

AllAboutLove wrote:

HodanG wrote:He sent the letter to Louise after the finale. Lisa said he contacted her after the finale. Looks like he was confused between Lisa or Louise so Lisa turned him down so he ran to Louise and she accepted him..

Louise = stated in The Project Interview that she received the letter before the finale. Carrie said to Louise, so you watched the finale knowing that he wanted you? Louise says yes.
Lisa = states Blake contacted her after the finale. She turned him down and said get lost. She told Sam that Blake had contacted her (explains why Sam calls him a jack***). 

Anyway... this timeline best it explains why he was heartbroken (Lisa told him no) as well as hopeful (Louise he still working on hearing yes.. they see each other first time in Thailand) during his TheProject Interview.

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Also, there is evidence (Interviews, WD mag, radio interviews, for each point on the timeline and can scroll back upthread to see it all.)

Oops meant before

AllAboutLove wrote:Emusha.... Lisa was in contact with Blake post-South Africa but only post-Finale (episode) did he ask her the question about her feelings...

Focusing on just Blake,  Sam and Lisa. If you look at the timeline and what was said, to me it makes sense... it's not as complicated to me as l thought (even if he is shady, the stories line up).

Post South Africa/filming:
- Lisa was in contact with Blake after the show/South Africa. We can confirm this since Sam, Blake and she admits it.
- Lisa was following Blake's instagram account and said she thought of him as just a friend. Blake orobably took this as he still had a chance with Lisa. He probably didn't realise he was just friendzoned and that was just kindness on Lisa's part. (Remember, Lisa has not yet seen finale where he cries when she leaves).
- Lisa tells us that he was emotional and she wanted to be there for him as a friend and that Sam was okay with it. Makes total sense given Lisa and Sams relationship throughout the show. They trust each other 100%. Sam said the same thing,  that Blake was emotionally confused and was trying to give him support to figure it all all in his head.  
- Blake consistently says he is with Sam in all interviews.
- Two weeks before the finale airs he has no more interviews he seemed confused about everything at the end of that interviews.
- The week before the finale he breaks up with Sam.

Finale Episode/Post-Finale:
- Now Lisa has seen Blake cry his eyes out when she left.
- He calls her after she has seen this and asks if she still has feelings and can see a future with him.
- Lisa tells him "to get lost and how dare he try to break up her friendship with Sam". Lisa posts "Sisters before Misters" photo of her and Sam on Lisa's instagram.
- She tells Sam what he did and so Sam looks/sounds pi55ed off in her TheProject interview.
- Lisa and Sam begin to suspect that Blake may have done this with someone else.
-  The only person not talking to them now is Louise. Women's instinct and plain logic hits in.
- They suspect Louise but aren't sure. They along with Zoe ask if he is with her. He evades the question and Louise doesn't respond.
- They find out their suspicions are true when the Paid Woman's Day article us tweeted by Blake AND Louise.
- Lisa and Sam are stunned/hurt that Louise never told them herself. Louise confirms that she never responded or told them.
- Lisa went from "support Sam no negativity towards Blake" BEFORE she knew about Louise. AFTER knowing, and finding out that Blake wrote a letter to Louise 'before' the finale and STILL called Lisa, Lisa is now no longer 'no negativity' towards Blake anymore.
- Lisa is telling her side now because she emailed Louise telling her all this but Louise never responded.
- So Lisa decides to tell what happened to her after the finale episode on The Project.  
- She wants Louise to realise that Blake called her after the show aired and after sending Louise the letter. She did this publicly for Louise's sake but thinks Louise is too naive. They hope its genuine and real for Louise's sake.

IMO, to me it's actually quite simple and believable how Lisa post-South Africa is friends with Blake (remember.... Blake, Sam and Lisa were very very comfortable with each other. We saw this on their 2 on 1 date). Lisa and Sam were fine with Blake until the breakup.. then Lisa supported Sam her closest friend but felt bad for Blake until he called her after the show to ask about feelings, after he knew she saw him crying, and she says get lost!! Lisa and Sam have a true friendship. Blake knew this in South Africa so it's no wonder he went to Louise first. He needed Lisa to see how devastated he was about her leaving so he had to wait to call her after she watched it. But, he also knew how Sam and Lisa were very close so while hopeful he didn't want to underestimate their bond. And the only way to convince Louise was to let her know he wants to be her only love (notice he never said SHE was his only love) and to write her (through her dad! ha!) before the proposal episode so she watches it without much shock at all because she secretly knows its her he wants. Blake just wanted to guarantee he was with someone else. I believe he really wanted Lisa but he knew he had a slim chance because of how close Sam and Lisa were/are. He always knew Louise wanted him. Louise was the only one who said so when she left and he never shed a tear for her at all. He had to contact her before the finale to get Louise to believe him but he was hopeful that Lisa would watch the episode and have the feelings he had when he sobbed when she left. She was over him. Funny enough, the very thing he said about Sam and why he broke up with her (no romantic love only friendship) is EXACTLY what Lisa has said about Blake (friendship not love). He took a chance and it bit him by contacting Lisa. He probably never expected her to go public (and she wouldn't have until Louise was now being one of many). But, he planned to not put all his eggs in her basket, he had backup-F3-Louise who would love him for a lifetime and was still contacting him post-show (I believe this is true). If he could break it off with Sam he could just contact Louise and break it off with her. She was so 'private' in the media that he knew she wouldn't say anything and neither would her family... that is IF Lisa took him back. His heart hoped Lisa would, his head knew she wouldn't. I can actually see him being happy with Louise. She is the only one he DIDN"T really need to pursue much at all and the only one we NEVER saw say to her face he is falling for. Blake knew he was Louise's first love and he used that to say he wanted to be her only and last. Who knows, they just may work out based on Louise's love(?) for him. One thing is for sure, none of the other girls love him like that so he has little choice with anyone but Louise if he wants a love where the girl is very, very into him (I believe Sam was not that way, he had to pursue her constantly, he worked for it). He could never have told all the truth so it was better for him to get a Magazine deal and paint a Louise and Me 'Mesnick'. That is far less damage than if he admitted he was wanting Lisa and stringing Louise along as a guarantee backup,. He may love Louise but not with the same passion he did the other girls, that is for sure. So his whole "passion" love is not the real reason as much as having someone love HIM passionately (which Louise is the only one out of the last F3 that gave more than he did). They just might work based on that alone.
Jmho.

I really hope that Louise or her parents read what you have written. Your analysis is spot on backed with evidences. I would think he wanted Lisa badly though. He was crying his heart out when she got booted. Called her immediately after the finale was over. Can a one sided love strive through the tribulations in life that every couple will face in their lifetime? Knowing Blake's history of cheating, can it really thrive. Will Louise be the submissive wife... believe and do not ask question type of wife. She is far too educated and exposed to the world to play the submissive wife. But then you never know. She was the coolest girl in the mansion..no drama. I am intrigue to follow their love LOL!!!

Guys how about is LOUISE AND BLAKE meant thy Blake have Louise the letter before the finale? Not the date finale was aired.. But the real finale few months before it was aired?

HodanG wrote:Guys how about is LOUISE AND BLAKE meant thy Blake have Louise the letter before the finale? Not the date finale was aired.. But the real finale few months before it was aired?

No he gave the letter to her father..if I am not mistaken.

But thinking about it..it was all very weird that he did not cry and said that she will find love very very soon.

Quane wrote:

HodanG wrote:Guys how about is LOUISE AND BLAKE meant thy Blake have Louise the letter before the finale? Not the date finale was aired.. But the real finale few months before it was aired?

No he gave the letter to her father..if I am not mistaken.

But thinking about it..it was all very weird that he did not cry and said that she will find love very very soon.

Oh yeah and I forgot haha Louise said she was watching the finale the day before Blake have her the letter

HodanG wrote:Guys how about is LOUISE AND BLAKE meant thy Blake have Louise the letter before the finale? Not the date finale was aired.. But the real finale few months before it was aired?

This is all based on date the finale episode aired (the letter given to Louise's dad before episode airing, Lisa getting called after episode aired). There is tons of evidence for this. It really is as simple as it seems. Crazy messy, but actually simple. (This IS after all a show with one man and many women.)

He had feelings for them all. We know this, and all the F3 know this (no one has denied it). He was emotionally confused. He thought he could contact both Louise and Lisa when he broke up with Sam because he was used to being in a F3 (many women) relationship.

In his head, that is normal because he had been on a show where it is normal! He knew he would have to contact Louise before the finale aired so she watched it without issues. He knew he would have to contact Lisa post-finale airing so she watched him cry. Was this shady behaviour? Yes! But even shady people fall in love.

And Blake had feelings for all of them, including Sam (his breakup The Project interview he says he loves Sam. Present tense.) He just broke up with her because she didn't initiate loving him like he had chased her on the show. Sam never would. Doesn't mean she didn't love him, it means she was always chased not a chaser, so she wouldn't start reaching out to him rather just give him space and hang out watching tv. She is that person. She is laid back.

So, based on his feelings for all them, after dumping Sam he still had feelings for the other two. He does what he does, letter to Louise and call to Lisa. Lisa tells him to get lost (she couldn't have done this after South Africa because she wouldn't have been friends with him then). Louise takes the bait.

Blake loved them all. He loved Sam, Lisa and Louise in different ways: He loved Sam most, he fell hard and fast and he had to chase her the hardest, then Lisa, he only fell for her near the end when she reciprocated then he felt terrible letting her go, he loved that Louise made him feel loved, he never told Louise he fell for her, he smiled when she left because his feelings at the time were strongest for Lisa and Sam. His post-show statements are just pr-Max script to make it all work out/make sense publicly (remember post-show reality is monogamy-accepted, the show is polygamy-accepted). Doesn't mean the feelings for Louise are false. He had them for all anyway...  

So, feelings for all three.. these feelings changed: Sam he began to fall out of love with. Lisa he hoped that she would build on her feelings she showed toward the end, and Louise was just loving him all the time and so he fell more for her.

Keeping this perspective (and not turning Blake into a psycho/douche, whether he is or not) we can see, in his head, how it could be normal for him to still pursue other girls post-show. He was still in the bubble in his head. It was all too real for him. Louise was the only one he never had to chase as hard as he did Sam (the dude cried when she wanted to leave in Ep8. Imagine being the other girls watching that episode? Ha!). He chased Lisa to a lesser extent than Sam (but only at end of show and then after finale episode aired), and the only chasing he did with Louise was give her dad a letter post-hiring-Max.

I wish them well. It is what it is. Sam and Lisa found love in friendship   ...

I cried watching Lisa tear up when she tells Sam in the interview that she feels she "went on this journey to find Sam" and "I love you so much" to Sam. Awww! Those girls are the real deal all the way! They were there for each other from the beginning, end, and even now. Louise and Blake may make it after all and I am hoping for their sakes that they do. If he is a douche/player then time will work that out anyway (yes it will hurt but that is life). If the whole thing is scripted even up until now then I have written about that weeks ago and there's no harm done anyway, really. Regardless... Yay for Sam and Lisa! And best wishes for Blake and Louise. I concur with Sam and Lisa, I hope it's genuine and best of luck.

[And Blake had feelings for all of them, including Sam (his breakup The Project interview he says he loves Sam. Present tense.) He just broke up with her because she didn't initiate loving him like he had chased her on the show. Sam never would. Doesn't mean she didn't love him, it means she was always chased not a chaser, so she wouldn't start reaching out to him rather just give him space and hang out watching tv. She is that person. She is laid back].

AllAboutLove, one thing that did not add up is that he was cold to Sam right after the show stopped filming. I do not understand how he could have fallen in love with her and then switched off immediately after the camera stopped rolling. That was what Sam said happened in SA after the camera stopped rolling. It did not make sense at all as to why he did that if he has loved her all that while. It did not make sense too why he proposed to her if he did not love her (his reaction of switching off immediately while still in SA). He was not influenced by what happened after they returned from SA. This is really a puzzle that I do not think any of us will be able to solve.

Quane, I believe my possible reason posted pages and pages ago explains this best, imo. Blake had the longest season of TB filming, ever. He was emotionally and physically exhausted. He also had to propose and dump someone on the same day.

When the filming, like Tom Cruise is accused of a lot, Blake was "on", when filming wrapped, he was "off". He had run a marathon and collapsed. If you ever watch some people when they finish an ultra marathon they cross the line, fall to the ground and cannot move. Blake, to me, was like that. Guys when messed up/exhausted (emotionally, physically, mentally, etc) as Blake was just want to sleep it off. They don't want sex at all.

His behaviour after South Africa and interviews shows he was happy with his F1. Yes, he changed his feelings on all that as time passed but he still stated he loves Sam but as not romantic.

Scripted and douche aside, Blake was not a good candidate for being the Bachelor. Not because of his sleazy past (though that comes into play) but because his approach throughout the process was to focus on each women, give them all his attention, instead of just ONE person and pretend with the rest. So what if you pretend with the rest as long as you know you are genuine about ONE person only? That's the point of the show.

But Blake was trying to be all genuine with each girl. So.. emotionally confused not so much about his feelings for the girls but whether THEY have feelings for him. He asked ALL the girls this. He still, by reaching out to Louise and to Lisa was asking how THEY felt about him. He seemed to want, at the end of the day, reassurance about the girls feelings for him. The only one out of ALL 30 girls that still had feelings was Louise. So, while he had feelings for ALL, she is the one that has even more feelings for him (unless she realises that he contacted Lisa after writing the letter ... and believes it to be true).

So, ultimately, job aside, sleazy aside, manipulation aside, Blake as he said "wish I had 30 more days to decide". He wanted the show to go on and in his mind, doing the press rounds, IT STILL was going on. That is why he feels no guilt about contacting any of these women because heck, that is what he was doing ON the show. He was reaching out to each of them based on how he viewed them. He mirrored their behaviour towards him.

To me, there are very little holes in the storyline. It is super messy yes, but it makes a ton of sense. I can make sense of it being totally scripted even up until now and I can make sense of it being real and messy.

Whether Blake and Louise break up will never be something one can 100% attribute to the show alone or even how they got together.

IF he had chosen Louise in the end, he very well would have broken up with her as well.

Just because we put two personalities together and say, yah they seem to suit each other, doesn't mean they will work long-term. That is what I find a lot of viewers have done to justify him being with Louise. Marriage and relationships are work for two changing people. It doesn't matter how 'compatible' or 'incompatible' one is. Or even mature, immature. Two changing, evolving people spending their lives together as that life changes takes work either way. Again, jmho and to me, it all makes sense.

AllAboutLove, one thing that did not add up is that he was cold to Sam right after the show stopped filming. I do not understand how he could have fallen in love with her and then switched off immediately after the camera stopped rolling. That was what Sam said happened in SA after the camera stopped rolling. It did not make sense at all as to why he did that if he has loved her all that while. It did not make sense too why he proposed to her if he did not love her (his reaction of switching off immediately while still in SA). He was not influenced by what happened after they returned from SA. This is really a puzzle that I do not think any of us will be able to solve.

I don't find this puzzling at all. I think that Blake's response sounds true to his personality and the stress he was under. Responding in a cold way in this context is quite likely an outward manifestation of internal disengagement, intentional or unwitting.

For example:
- as we've seen he felt exhausted by weeks/months of striving to engage with many different women, be on display, please people, create connections, assess possible futures, make choices etc. The brain gets exhausted when we have too many choices and can't decide.
- he may have felt love for Sam, but had to decide at the final hour, persuading himself despite feeling for the other girls and trying to evaluate their responses with such little data and so much hopefulness and investment in an outcome. The double negative proposal spoke a lot about how fresh this decision was and how ambiguous the process was.
- he may also be naturally introverted, seeking to get attention and affirmation externally but preferring to process this information in his own heart/gut. It would seem this way because he doesn't appear as skilled or inclined to build relationships through active communication. Introverts tend to need a lot of alone time or recovery from social activity however stimulating and exciting. This conflicts with his need for active nurturing/support so my guess is he has developed coping mechanisms that allow him to be physically present while emotionally absent or removed. Contrast this with Sam who is more extroverted and seems to get a lot of energy from socialising and sparking off people.
- he seems very adaptive in the moment and this translates for others as slippery behaviour. Dirtystreetpie's comments about his in the moment nature speak to this.

Btw Fantastic analysis AllAboutLove (particularly the comments above) and great reflections from everyone in the aftermath

Again, really appreciating the timeline of events that is coming together that helps us sort rumour from tentative or established fact.

Wendy wrote:Again, really appreciating the timeline of events that is coming together that helps us sort rumour from tentative or established fact.

Yah, for me the timeline makes so much sense. I just got bogged down with so much rumour that I decided to just focus on timeline what we can see for ourselves and have evidence of in the first person perspectives of Blake, Sam, Lisa, and Louise (and not just second hand 'sources').

I can even see how Blake and Louise had no choice but to PR their "coming out of hiding" thing. Everything just adds up, whether we think of it as totally scripted even now, or just real and messy ...

Real and messy in the sense that a polygamous relationship with one man and many women show (but real experience to those on it) to where that one man had to come back into reality where only monogamy is accepted outside of a show, you can only feel feelings for one says society, so he was dealing very poorly with the reality and consequences of that. If anything, he has got the chance to make a 'choice' twice. He had to do so to some extent at the end of filming... and now he had to do so by the end of the final episode airing/public wanting answers.

It just makes a ton of sense to me, especially when I just look at the facts or timeline, rather than analysing personality types, childhood daddy issues (displaying the same player behaviour as his father and loving being in a player TB polygamy world and post-world), the crazier rag-mag rumours about bachie babies or this one or that one's motives - all of which may be true/have truth to them to some degree but speculative rather than what can be gathered like data to draw a graph/timeline.