Re: Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Fan Forum - Facebook - Twitter - IG's - Updates - Discussion Thread #4

[soccermom333]

Aww! I'm so happy to see Team Sushi reunited & back in action. Their tweets when apart are so cute but obviously this duo is meant to be together I appreciate the girls boozing and running around while the golf tournament was going on. And I'm loving Andi's bag, which I don't recognize either as part of her wardrobe or its designer but super cute, and I noticed she doesn't have a middle apart again. I hope she likes that look on herself and keeps it, since my opinion on her hair matters so much, I have to say it's my personal favorite.

A little off topic but I'm slightly bummed MM only posts to her friends now, I enjoyed stalking their family Anyway, before she started posting privately, she mentioned Steph's "friend" from UConn. I took a look at his Twitter just now and it's seriously a mini Josh in training, complete with Joel Osteen retweets. Hilarious and too cute. I'm sure Josh and the rest of their family support this new relationship so hard!

Have these been posted yet? Sorry, I haven't had a chance to catch up totally yet.

Alanna, and everyone else, what do you think the "announcement" is?????? Could it have been the avocare? I hope I am spelling that right. ;)

[moflan]

I think the announcement was about the weight loss / protein drink or whatever it was that they would be starting to eat/drink and were inviting others to join them.

[rinacabigas]

Just have to put my two cents in regarding Josh out last night.  It's clear that he was out with his friends and why not?  As it's been said, Andi goes out with Kelly.  There is not a doubt in my mind that Josh is 100% dedicated to Andi and she does not have a single thing to worry about with Josh.

The problem is that when Josh goes out, of course, girls want a pic with him.  But when Andi goes out there isn't any pics with guys because most guys just don't do that stuff.

Being able to hang out with your friends is very good for a relationship I think.  As long as it isn't all the time and as long as you trust each other.

That is the number one reason why my husband and I have lasted 38 years.  When we were younger he went on golf weekends with his guy friends and I would go on girls weekends.  He never said anything except, have a good time, sweetheart and do you need some cash.

My husband was a very good looking guy and if I spent all my time worrying about him when he wasn't with me I'd have put myself in an early grave.  My husband never gave me a second of worry.  As a matter of fact, he still calls me from work on his lunch hour every day.  Not to check up on me but just to see how my day is going.

I would not have lasted a month with a guy that smothered me.   So I think it's very healthy for a relationship that they have some outside interests and time with friends.

I think this weekend with Andi away shows Josh how much he misses her as when Josh was away on his business trip and Andi missed him so much.

Sorry to go into my marriage but was just trying to make a point.

Laura

My thought on this is that because of the venue that Josh goes to hangout with....BARS.  I just don't understand why of all places, he goes there without Andi.   Bars are the place where singles goes to mingle, more especially with young adults and college students to have a drink, good time or get lucky that night.  So, of course Josh will be flocked by girls.  Pardon me but, when I was single, I haven't been to a bar alone or with my friends.  We hangout in a public place but not in a bar.......maybe, because I grow up in another country. Since my husband and I have been married, never once went to a bar per se, except in the restaurant's bar waiting for our table to eat.

I have no problem with Josh going out when Andi is away.....but, I wish Josh will be more discreet with the places that he goes to and the time of the night.  I think he was in the bar past midnight.  Now, I'm not saying that Josh ought to have a curfew.....it just that time & place where he was at last night is not desirable for an engaged person.

With Andi, in my observation via pics & SM.....she's very discreet and handle herself very well so as not to arouse talks that is not favorable with her actions going out minus Josh.

Regarding their finances, I don't have any qualms whatsoever.  I'm just concerned with their actions post show and their relationship.  It's because I want Josh and Andi to live happily ever after.

Rina, I see your point, bcs where I am from, going to a bar has a negative ca notation (sexual) to most, but in America, a bar is a place to hang out, drink some beer, dance, especially the sports bars, many people gather to watch their favorite sports. So, no need to be concern for Andi and Josh, they use to going to bars. I remember Josh said AFRC at Jimmy Kemel that he saw Andi at a bar before filming, but he wasn't supposed to talk to her. So, this is usual for Josh and Andi, no surprise here. My question to you is, what would Josh do in a bar that he couldn't do anywhere else? These two are so in tune with one another, no need to worry.

Mag, I didn't grew up here but have been in this country for decades and my husband is an American, born &  raised in U.S.  I'm not worried about Josh doing something wrong and it's not about trust issues.  That's between Andi & Josh.  What I'm getting at is that, Josh is not using his discretion on where to go & how long to stay out at night when Andi is away.......to avoid notoriety among college girls or young adult girls whose hangout mostly are bars and are fierce on getting a piece of Josh. LOL.  There's a saying that even if the firewood is green....if it's close to the fire....it will get burnt.

When he was out of town a few weeks ago for a conference, he visited bars not only one, two or three and the girls gone crazy following him to different bars.....because they know those are the places that he normally go to.

I don't know about other woman.....but in my case.....I would prefer that my fiancé use his discretion in things he does when I'm gone.  

Anyway, I like Josh at the show because I know Andi really loves him and vice versa.  I thought he is a stand up guy & principled due to the Lie Detector Test.  I also had the impression that he has good values and I had such a high regard for him at the show.  After the show I'm awaiting further convincing by his actions.

His status changed from Single to Engaged but his old ways remained and for many it's acceptable.  For me it remains to be seen and it's up to Andi to sort it out what she can or not tolerate.  If everything is copacetic with Andi and Josh the way things are.....then, I will be happy for them too and wish them eternal happiness and blissful life.

[GuardianAngel]

I don't see a problem at all. Josh is in love. He's not going to do anything to jeopardise his relationship with Andi. When you're in love, you have or you should have 100% trust with each other. Josh shouldn't be staying away from establishments because there's a perception of infidelity by others. He has may friends, he is well known, and if he were going to do anything to ruin the trust, he can do it anywhere, any time of the day or night. Whether it be morning or midnight.

He and Andi should be free to go where ever they chose to go without any concern by the other. Just because the college girls want pictures, doesn't mean he is doing anything wrong. He's happy to take pictures as are many other reality contestant/couples and it makes the girls happy.

The moment he is questioned, or he questions Andi is the beginning of problems. JMO

[soccermom333]

I don't see a problem at all. Josh is in love. He's not going to do anything to jeopardise his relationship with Andi. When you're in love, you have or you should have 100% trust with each other. Josh shouldn't be staying away from establishments because there's a perception of infidelity by others. He has may friends, he is well known, and if he were going to do anything to ruin the trust, he can do it anywhere, any time of the day or night. Whether it be morning or midnight.

He and Andi should be free to go where ever they chose to go without any concern by the other. Just because the college girls want pictures, doesn't mean he is doing anything wrong. He's happy to take pictures as are many other reality contestant/couples and it makes the girls happy.

The moment he is questioned, or he questions Andi is the beginning of problems. JMO

Great post Guardian! Way to keep things positive on this FAN thread! :cutesmile!:

[Alanna]

Yeah I don't think Josh is going to cheat on Andi anytime soon, it would probably kill Andi on the spot and I don't think he's a murderer.

[Alanna]

From Kelly's boyfriend:

He captions the one of the girls that they're not interested in golf but still had fun

[soccermom333]

Yeah I don't think Josh is going to cheat on Andi anytime soon, it would probably kill Andi on the spot and I don't think he's a murderer.

[Georgia Lindsay]

I don't see a problem at all. Josh is in love. He's not going to do anything to jeopardise his relationship with Andi. When you're in love, you have or you should have 100% trust with each other. Josh shouldn't be staying away from establishments because there's a perception of infidelity by others. He has may friends, he is well known, and if he were going to do anything to ruin the trust, he can do it anywhere, any time of the day or night. Whether it be morning or midnight.

He and Andi should be free to go where ever they chose to go without any concern by the other. Just because the college girls want pictures, doesn't mean he is doing anything wrong. He's happy to take pictures as are many other reality contestant/couples and it makes the girls happy.

The moment he is questioned, or he questions Andi is the beginning of problems. JMO

Exactly. Thank you.

I'm taking a break from here, I assumed this was a Josh and Andi fan forum, but from the bashing of Josh going on in a few posts, it's very sad for me to read this stuff. He has done nothing wrong, not one damn thing, and to see him being wrongly accused of ridiculous things, just ticks me off to the max.

I'll say one thing, and this is a fact, Josh Murray is a very good man, inside and out and does not deserve the negative, almost slanderous things posted in here about him.

Good luck to all the 'real' Josh and Andi fans on here. Adios.

[docnash14]

I actually really like that he is going out with friends. I mean, why can't he leave his apartment to go and have a good time when Andi is not there? He doesn't and shouldn't be a person who just waits for his love to come home in his apartment alone with Sabel all day, that's wrong IMO. He is a person who happens to be in love with another person but in the end he is a person. He shouldn't spent his alone time alone and I'm so glad he is not doing that.
He, as all of us, should have independence. And more when you are in a relationship.

When I go out with my friends or for a trip without my boyfriend I tell him: "Go out and have fun! Don't stay in the apartment." And he does it and I love it.

In a relationship one of the most important things to have are love and trust.
If you don't trust that your other half is just going to have a good time (like you are having it) then why are you even with that person? Jealousy at the first stages of the relationship is completely normal because you are just getting to know the person but if you are dating someone for months and you still don't trust him then you should start questioning where your relationship is going.

Freedom is not something we should ever lose.

And I don't think it was a close call. At all. I don't think N was his mind and Josh his heart and that's why she said it was a battle between her heart and mind. I think that her mind was telling her: "This is too good to be true there most been something wrong here", "Why if Josh leaves like Brooks did? Then what?". And her heart always knew (as you can see in the episodes) that Josh was the love of his life.
N always was her second choice. Always.

It's your opinion and I respect it. I'm just giving mine.

Changing the subject. Man, Josh always looks so handsome!

I agree with your entire post.

Trust grows mostly when the couple is apart; thus, just as you are saying, it is essential to the health of the relationship that the couple have separate individual time.  And one of the primary reasons resentment begins to grow in a relationship is due to a person in the coupleship beginning to feel that s/he is losing his/her sense of self.  So conversely when both in the coupleship pursue individual interests, the relationship experiences continued growth and perhaps even more importantly the individuals can flourish.

I also agree that Andi's decision was not a close one organically (although I do believe that if she and Josh had fallen apart, she would have chosen Nick as I believe she clearly understood that her producer driven directive was to walk away engaged).  In addition to your points, I think that her prior stint on the show while it may have helped in some ways, may have exacerbated the mind games she was already playing with herself in that it taught her about the bachelor bubble.  As she admitted, she was very attracted to JP but quickly realized how that relationship would never have worked for her.  So I wonder if that added to her fear that her relationship and her feelings would suffer the same outcome.  (As an aside, I have noticed that a couple of times in the last few episodes Nick would say something to Nick when they were lips to lips and Andi would never respond back which made me wonder if this was something special she reserved for Josh and it certainly is something they - she and Josh - almost from the beginning.)

And I wholeheartedly concur with your last statement!

ITA with your post except for the bold. I don't think Andi would have chosen Nick if Josh and her fail apart, he was never in her heart, it was an infatuation, not love. I think, on one of the magazine, she said if there was no Josh, she would have left alone, and I believe her.

Oh, I don't believe her heart would have been happy with Nick but I think she would have felt pressured if not coerced to choose someone especially given the outcome and subsequent backlash from JP's season. I think Andi is enough of a company girl that she knew fully well from the get-go what was expected of her and she was prepared to comply. Great news for her was that I think Josh was hand-picked for her by the producers to ensure the likelihood of the kind of ending that we got.

[Maggenzm]

My thought on this is that because of the venue that Josh goes to hangout with....BARS.  I just don't understand why of all places, he goes there without Andi.   Bars are the place where singles goes to mingle, more especially with young adults and college students to have a drink, good time or get lucky that night.  So, of course Josh will be flocked by girls.  Pardon me but, when I was single, I haven't been to a bar alone or with my friends.  We hangout in a public place but not in a bar.......maybe, because I grow up in another country. Since my husband and I have been married, never once went to a bar per se, except in the restaurant's bar waiting for our table to eat.

I have no problem with Josh going out when Andi is away.....but, I wish Josh will be more discreet with the places that he goes to and the time of the night.  I think he was in the bar past midnight.  Now, I'm not saying that Josh ought to have a curfew.....it just that time & place where he was at last night is not desirable for an engaged person.

With Andi, in my observation via pics & SM.....she's very discreet and handle herself very well so as not to arouse talks that is not favorable with her actions going out minus Josh.

Regarding their finances, I don't have any qualms whatsoever.  I'm just concerned with their actions post show and their relationship.  It's because I want Josh and Andi to live happily ever after.

Rina, I see your point, bcs where I am from, going to a bar has a negative ca notation (sexual) to most, but in America, a bar is a place to hang out, drink some beer, dance, especially the sports bars, many people gather to watch their favorite sports. So, no need to be concern for Andi and Josh, they use to going to bars. I remember Josh said AFRC at Jimmy Kemel that he saw Andi at a bar before filming, but he wasn't supposed to talk to her. So, this is usual for Josh and Andi, no surprise here. My question to you is, what would Josh do in a bar that he couldn't do anywhere else? These two are so in tune with one another, no need to worry.

Mag, I didn't grew up here but have been in this country for decades and my husband is an American, born &  raised in U.S.  I'm not worried about Josh doing something wrong and it's not about trust issues.  That's between Andi & Josh.  What I'm getting at is that, Josh is not using his discretion on where to go & how long to stay out at night when Andi is away.......to avoid notoriety among college girls or young adult girls whose hangout mostly are bars and are fierce on getting a piece of Josh. LOL.  There's a saying that even if the firewood is green....if it's close to the fire....it will get burnt.

When he was out of town a few weeks ago for a conference, he visited bars not only one, two or three and the girls gone crazy following him to different bars.....because they know those are the places that he normally go to.

I don't know about other woman.....but in my case.....I would prefer that  my fiancé use his discretion in things he does when I'm gone.  

Anyway, I like Josh at the show because I know Andi really loves him and vice versa.  I thought he is a stand up guy & principled due to the Lie Detector Test.  I also had the impression that he has good values and I had such a high regard for him at the show.  After the show I'm awaiting further convincing by his actions.

His status changed from Single to Engaged but his old ways remained and for many it's acceptable.  For me it remains to be seen and it's up to Andi to sort it out what she can or not tolerate.  If everything is copacetic with Andi and Josh the way things are.....then, I will be happy for them too and wish them eternal happiness and blissful life.

Rina, obviously you have a thing with bars. You have the right to choose not go to bars, to each his own. It looks like Andi and Josh don't have a problem with it, just like I have no problem with anyone, even my husband of 36 years going to a sports bar and watch sports with his friends. IMO, going to a bars doesn't lessen your good values unless your motives are wrong. JMO
By the way, if you have followed Josh from the beginning you would know that he is a very stand up guy, and Andi has nothing to worry about. Moving on...

[GuardianAngel]

From Kelly's boyfriend:

Moving on..........to these boots. Does anyone know who makes them?

[Sponsored content]