Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - Fan Forum - Updates - Discussion - Thread #9

[MVMom39forever]

nick_viall28 Closing out the craziest week of my life. Great to be spending it with these boys.
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He's got quite a crew of buds in tow!

As they say, hindsight is everything ... but I recall during the MTA that Nick Sutter was particularly hard on Andi. I remember that gave me pause. I thought, "Hmm ... why would one of Nick's good buddies be so mean to his fiancée?"

Duh ... because she wasn't! Nick S was just sticking up for his bud ... good for him ...

[Guest]

I understand your POV Sue...ITA that Nick was not delusional..he sensed ' Andi' with both his heart and mind..

I am fine with Meandi's decision. Its her life. I just hope she doesnt do oscar-caliber-acting with Josh and the Murrays..i thought Josh was a great guy with a loving family.

I have more problems in how TPTB portrayed Jodi's story. See, in my understanding, if Meandi chose Josh bc he is Meandi's great love, that he had to let go a 'good love' (Nick), why on earth:
-  they didnt show any montage of Jodi journey, but Nick instead (on the FS) with the fairy-tale ish touch?  :shocked!: 
-  they replaced the segment of the supposed Final-couple montage with all of the hideous frowning Meandi's footage?   
-  they topped this Great Love season with the frown cat gift instead of a honeymoon gift (eg ala Jash and Aliberto)?   

that leads me to these curio :
- does that mean TPTB have only a little 'faith' in this final couple?.
- Meandi got the frown montage instead of the LS montage= She is no princess to TPTB? (compared that for instance with Ali, Ash,Em, Des's FRC and ATFR- you'll see the difference-- they all had their LS montage on the FRC/ATFR)
- does the cat gift implying this season's joke ' to let the cat out of the bag' finally?'--something stinky was hidden all along?

things that makes me still     . I mean ,if TPTB highlighted Jodi's LS - for instance, how she struggled and showed a segment of emphasizing the Great Love she had with Josh in the final episode-FRC-ATFR, i wouldnt have those curio at the first place..

oh well.. i guess time with tell...or maybe it will still remain as another Ette X-Files till the end of Bach world for me....

Nice post Mura.  That really left me wondering too.  Never quite seen a final couple that should be the show's new poster couple treated like that.  And they didn't get to watch their proposal back also.  Def a strange send off for the new couple by TPTB.  Curious as to why.

.thanks Relaxing. more than good to know that im not alone having this curio...    ..aha. oh yes!..How could i forget the Elephanty point: watching back their proposal?  :shocked!: . I mean, its the sole segment where we can watch the final couple got teary eyed and kissy2 cuddly2 watching their out-of-body moments    and MFnCO chose to not giving their beloved ADA that ?   . They had rewarded Meandi with the hottest bunch of guys ever for her stint with JPab at FS fiasco..but they couldnt honor her season with the final couple's memorable moments?...  

Oh well, maybe we will get our particular 'cat' regarding this curious matter when the time is right, relaxing...   

[isittrue]

nick_viall28 Closing out the craziest week of my life. Great to be spending it with these boys.
http://websta.me/p/778671173204643604_28313266




 

He's got quite a crew of buds in tow!

As they say, hindsight is everything ... but I recall during the MTA that Nick Sutter was particularly hard on Andi. I remember that gave me pause. I thought, "Hmm ... why would one of Nick's good buddies be so mean to his fiancée?"

Duh ... because she wasn't! Nick S was just sticking up for his bud ... good for him ...

Yes.  I think we all were overlooking some important clues because they did not fit what we were seeing on-screen.  But like you said, hindsight is 20/20 and all worked out for the best.  Nick is moving on with his life and has a great support network behind him. He was the true star of the season and I had a blast watching him - the lead and her F1 - not so much....

[isittrue]

I understand your POV Sue...ITA that Nick was not delusional..he sensed ' Andi' with both his heart and mind..

I am fine with Meandi's decision. Its her life. I just hope she doesnt do oscar-caliber-acting with Josh and the Murrays..i thought Josh was a great guy with a loving family.

I have more problems in how TPTB portrayed Jodi's story. See, in my understanding, if Meandi chose Josh bc he is Meandi's great love, that he had to let go a 'good love' (Nick), why on earth:
-  they didnt show any montage of Jodi journey, but Nick instead (on the FS) with the fairy-tale ish touch?  :shocked!: 
-  they replaced the segment of the supposed Final-couple montage with all of the hideous frowning Meandi's footage?   
-  they topped this Great Love season with the frown cat gift instead of a honeymoon gift (eg ala Jash and Aliberto)?   

that leads me to these curio :
- does that mean TPTB have only a little 'faith' in this final couple?.
- Meandi got the frown montage instead of the LS montage= She is no princess to TPTB? (compared that for instance with Ali, Ash,Em, Des's FRC and ATFR- you'll see the difference-- they all had their LS montage on the FRC/ATFR)
- does the cat gift implying this season's joke ' to let the cat out of the bag' finally?'--something stinky was hidden all along?

things that makes me still     . I mean ,if TPTB highlighted Jodi's LS - for instance, how she struggled and showed a segment of emphasizing the Great Love she had with Josh in the final episode-FRC-ATFR, i wouldnt have those curio at the first place..

oh well.. i guess time with tell...or maybe it will still remain as another Ette X-Files till the end of Bach world for me....

Nice post Mura.  That really left me wondering too.  Never quite seen a final couple that should be the show's new poster couple treated like that.  And they didn't get to watch their proposal back also.  Def a strange send off for the new couple by TPTB.  Curious as to why.

.thanks Relaxing. more than good to know that im not alone having this curio...    ..aha. oh yes!..How could i forget the Elephanty point: watching back their proposal?  :shocked!: . I mean, its the sole segment where we can watch the final couple got teary eyed and kissy2 cuddly2 watching their out-of-body moments     and MFnCO chose to not giving their beloved ADA that ?   . They had rewarded Meandi with the hottest bunch of guys ever for her stint with JPab at FS fiasco..but they couldnt honor her season with the final couple's memorable moments?...  

Oh well, maybe we will get our particular 'cat' regarding this curious matter when the time is right, relaxing...   

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Yes, they did not even get a trip or anything. Least romantic ATFR ever! I still smell a set-up and I think TPTB were less than happy of how things went down (their revised edit of Nick speaks for itself). Glad it's over.

[MVMom39forever]

Thanks dear Mura,

The Anthony Robbins unlimited power principle makes a lot of sense given what we’ve seen and I think you have it correctly pegged; Nick was willing to risk it all for love, Andi was not … and so the fact that they both experienced the same level of passion and had diametrically opposed responses is just very very hard to reconcile.  

And in those circumstances, it makes sense that Nick would continue to press on for a positive love resolution and Andi would retreat to her current militant anti love position.  They are opposite sides of the same coin; both holding on for dear life.  Nick called Andi stubborn, but he is as well; stubborn in terms of believing the reality that they two of them shared and being unwilling to let it go.  

And to quote what I wrote earlier, I have ZERO doubt that Nick is misreading the situation: The thing is I trust Nick... and I believe Nick when he assessed that Andi was falling in love with him. He said he never felt it before. I believe that Nick had the correctly tuned measuring stick for whether or not she was deceiving him. Of course, what I saw on tv (and what he said he also saw watching the episodes back) only supported his assessment. It's not like Nick saw something different from what he experienced.  

So I applaud Nick for being unwilling to let it go, why would he… from his perspective what he had with Andi was a once in a lifetime love… one you don’t throw away.  He literally and figuratively prostrated himself at her feet, left no stone unturned, gave her every possible chance to come to her senses.  The fact that Nick was willing to continue to pursue Andi even after he was rejected multiple times doesn’t make him crazy or a stalker, rather a prince, a heroic figure willing to fight the dragons (and yes, in this case, Andi is the dragon!!) to win his princess.  The storybook he wrote is the perfect reflection of their experience.

Nick knows Andi, sees all of her, right into the depths of her soul… there’s no one or nothing that would be more effective than Nick in reaching Andi.  And if I’m being honest, a part of me is still waiting for Andi to come to her senses and live out the happy ending to their fairytale…

I understand your POV Sue...ITA that Nick was not delusional..he sensed ' Andi' with both his heart and mind..

I am fine with Meandi's decision. Its her life. I just hope she doesnt do oscar-caliber-acting with Josh and the Murrays..i thought Josh was a great guy with a loving family.

I have more problems in how TPTB portrayed Jodi's story. See, in my understanding, if Meandi chose Josh bc he is Meandi's great love, that he had to let go a 'good love' (Nick), why on earth:
-  they didnt show any montage of Jodi journey, but Nick instead (on the FS) with the fairy-tale ish touch?  :shocked!: 
-  they replaced the segment of the supposed Final-couple montage with all of the hideous frowning Meandi's footage?   
-  they topped this Great Love season with the frown cat gift instead of a honeymoon gift (eg ala Jash and Aliberto)?   

that leads me to these curio :
- does that mean TPTB have only a little 'faith' in this final couple?.
- Meandi got the frown montage instead of the LS montage= She is no princess to TPTB? (compared that for instance with Ali, Ash,Em, Des's FRC and ATFR- you'll see the difference-- they all had their LS montage on the FRC/ATFR)
- does the cat gift implying this season's joke ' to let the cat out of the bag' finally?'--something stinky was hidden all along?

things that makes me still     . I mean ,if TPTB highlighted Jodi's LS - for instance, how she struggled and showed a segment of emphasizing the Great Love she had with Josh in the final episode-FRC-ATFR, i wouldnt have those curio at the first place..

oh well.. i guess time with tell...or maybe it will still remain as another Ette X-Files till the end of Bach world for me....

I 100% agree with both Sue and Mura! How surprising ...   

Andi is no Barbie Doll ... she's got a lot of sides to her and like all of us, a lot of flaws. That said, the Andi we saw with Nick (the guy/relationship that she "aspired" to) during the season was a whole lot different than the bitchy and cold Andi from end of production to today. Will the real Andi please stand up?

And, if the "real" Andi is the one who actually complained about Josh chewing with his mouth open in the People Magazine interview, well, Nick is very lucky to be hanging with his buds instead of getting publicly humiliated like poor Josh.

[nutty1]

Josh chewing with his mouth open? I missed that?? Do tell….even in PM, because I know this thread isn't the place for that.

I agree that Nick was the star of the season……I am so thrilled we got to "meet" him!

They haven't given a trip to the "happy couple" in quite a few seasons, but they always show the engagement again. I guess the Nick show continued into the ATFR.

I noticed that about Nick S too…the clues were all there. That's why I kept saying I was 99% sure it was Josh. The gazillion SM clues couldn't all have been part of a foil.

[MVMom39forever]

Nice post Mura.  That really left me wondering too.  Never quite seen a final couple that should be the show's new poster couple treated like that.  And they didn't get to watch their proposal back also.  Def a strange send off for the new couple by TPTB.  Curious as to why.

.thanks Relaxing. more than good to know that im not alone having this curio...    ..aha. oh yes!..How could i forget the Elephanty point: watching back their proposal?  :shocked!: . I mean, its the sole segment where we can watch the final couple got teary eyed and kissy2 cuddly2 watching their out-of-body moments     and MFnCO chose to not giving their beloved ADA that ?   . They had rewarded Meandi with the hottest bunch of guys ever for her stint with JPab at FS fiasco..but they couldnt honor her season with the final couple's memorable moments?...  

Oh well, maybe we will get our particular 'cat' regarding this curious matter when the time is right, relaxing...   

Here's what I think ... remember the #LiveLikeEric hashtag that Elan promoted so much at start of season? Remember how Josh didn't use the hashtag but Nick did (and Andi did too but I think she had to use it for PR purposes)? Well, I think the way that TPTB dedicated season to Eric was by focusing the show on Nick and his journey more so than Andi & Josh.

Nick and Eric obviously formed some type of bond during the very short time that show aired. Eric was a real guy who put it all out there and encouraged Andi to be genuine/do the same. Andi's response was anger and kicking him to curb.

Similar to Eric, Nick was also the guy who was genuine throughout. He put it all out there and can't recall his exact words but something along the lines of "giving into the process." And what happened to Nick? She kicked him to the curb too.

So many of us have said that if it wasn't for Nick, there would not have been a season. He was the reason we tuned in. Nick is someone who embodies the LiveLikeEric theme.

To dedicate the season to Eric meant focusing on his friend in the end ... NOT ... the woman who Eric called out to be a fake.

[isittrue]

I guess the hardest part of the SM clues was that they were so so blatant. I kept telling myself that no way is TPTB letting them be so obvious. So although I was almost sure Nick was F2, I kept thinking maybe it was a foiler albeit an elaborate one. I never was able to move past the airplane video either. Kept looking for ways to disprove it, but never was able to. Things worked out for the best for Nick and am happy he is moving on.

[MVMom39forever]

Josh chewing with his mouth open? I missed that?? Do tell….even in PM, because I know this thread isn't the place for that.

I agree that Nick was the star of the season……I am so thrilled we got to "meet" him!

They haven't given a trip to the "happy couple" in quite a few seasons, but they always show the engagement again. I guess the Nick show continued into the ATFR.

I noticed that about Nick S too…the clues were all there. That's why I kept saying I was 99% sure it was Josh. The gazillion SM clues couldn't all have been part of a foil.

Sorry GA, I can't help myself. Here goes:

"ANDI: We've gotten to spend a lot of time together, and what I always loved about Josh was how realistic our relationship was. I never thought that it was perfect all the time. I could see things like how he chewed with his mouth open. I knew that I loved him because I didn't mind the flaws. Some of them were even cute! But (turning to Josh) chew with your mouth closed!

JOSH: I'm trying to. I'm getting better. "

Let's not discuss here to stick with mod rules. I posted this in the Nick contestant thread ...

[Cecilia]

I am going today! Will be on the lookout. He might not be going 3 days in a row though. That's a lot.

[isittrue]

I am going today! Will be on the lookout.  He might not be going 3 days in a row though.  That's a lot.

Have fun and make sure to bring your camera just in case!

[Kashathediva]

Mura: per your post above regarding how TPTB treated the couple--
I don't think TPTB like Me and I. So this is what we got.
They probably had Nick between a rock and a hard place, because of the video, but I don't sense they steamrolled him.
The steamrolling appeared to be for the lead for so many reason, I can't even enumerate--it would be too lengthy a post and this isn't the thread.
Nick will be and is so fine!

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