Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - Fan Forum - Updates - Discussion - Thread #9

[stuckinsc]

http://www.flare.com/celebrity/entertainment/the-bachelorette-finale-sharleens-take-on-josh/

hmmm....maybe a Sharnick combo is not really a good idea after all   

I find her to be fair and I think many of us wish he hadn't said it as well.  To me, she kept it brief and didn't harp on it, so I guess I am okay with her saying what she did.

I think to truly appreciate someone you must accept all of them good and bad.

[Cecilia]

I think it's ridiculous that Reality Steve criticizes all these contestants for the feelings they have and not getting over someone when the guy is almost 40 and single and doesn't date. What does he know about relationships? Like, really?

[happygolucky]

http://www.flare.com/celebrity/entertainment/the-bachelorette-finale-sharleens-take-on-josh/
hmmm....maybe a Sharnick combo is not really a good idea after all   

I find her to be fair and I think many of us wish he hadn't said it as well.  To me, she kept it brief and didn't harp on it, so I guess I am okay with her saying what she did.

I think to truly appreciate someone you must accept all of them good and bad.

 as always  

[Brill]

I think it's ridiculous that Reality Steve criticizes all these contestants for the feelings they have and not getting over someone when the guy is almost 40 and single and doesn't date.  What does he know about relationships?  Like, really?

   I really think he is just SOOOOOOOOOOOOO jealous of all these people. Just him and his dog, Maddie, thank goodness he has him!!

The guy is a TOOL, what can I say!!   Steve if you are reading this, you should follow the advice you give so many that read your stuff and that is, "You need to get a Life!!!" :Nod:  

[SueSt]

I have been giving this whole edit of Nick and Andi some thought.
There is almost always an F2, dividing the opinions, emotions of fans. It makes the show. What I think  - even when we know in our hearts this show is highly edited - is the viewers were "played" (like every season) and Andi had to be privy to it - and Josh as well. Why so intense this year? Because heartbroken Nick (and we all clearly saw why) happened to be videotaped in his first stages of grief and disbelief, saying things in his honest way that he felt at that time to someone he trusted. I wanted to believe it was a setup - that RS was wrong about the ending - because I wanted Andi to have picked the guy who offered her everything. I believed she knew it because of the voiceovers, because of her dogged determination to get time with him, to figure out this man who intrigued her and fascinated her to the point she had a ruckus in her mind. Plus he could kiss, was "hot" and met her needs on all levels and left her in no doubt he could offer her the joy of being his wife.  Whether all the voiceovers were added after the plane video or not, they led us to believe even more what we clearly saw. When did it change? At least for me, after those 2 full days with Josh. We saw her pulling away from Nick, and he seemed to be sensing it. Like his first breakup we had heard about, it was happening again. He couldn't let it go, reinforced by not only what he remembered - and saw on the screen - but all those voiceovers detailing her state of mind. We also clearly saw her relationship with Josh, but the intensity of his and hers seemed to overshadow it. I believe all the unscripted stuff - real life with Eric - the 4th wall - the attempts to contact her afterward (just like Arie and also admitted by Sean in one of his videos) were evidence of that intensity of his. He's 32 or 33, ready for that connection, that completion of himself (his words). I feel like I've been on a rollercoaster, too, and can only imagine how he (and Andi and Josh) must feel. I still hope Nick can get away from all of this to decompress, surround himself with family and friends and start working on healing the tender heart he allowed us and Andi to see.  But that's just my take. I feel for both him, his family and for Andi and Josh. The Powers that Be? They are very good at what they do.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Mimi.

Interesting about the edit... are you suggesting TPTB downplayed And's connection with Josh?

I also saw the change in Andi in those last dates … she was much more open to Josh, and conversely pulling back from Nick… and you’re right, Nick definitely seemed to be sensing it. Amazing that he kept his wits about him on the LCD and questioned Andi about her intentions. Still, the image that haunts me is in the last few minutes of his LCD with Andi, before she went to the door, with his head on the couch looking up at her in complete vulnerability.

Given the real and raw intimacy they shared, I’m not surprised Nick couldn’t let it go (I still can’t let it go!!), particularly since he didn’t have an opportunity to speak with Andi about it.

My solace is that Nick seems to have gotten the closure he needed and be moving forward with his life in his post ATFR interviews. Whoever he chooses is going to be one lucky lady!!

[isittrue]

I think it's ridiculous that Reality Steve criticizes all these contestants for the feelings they have and not getting over someone when the guy is almost 40 and single and doesn't date.  What does he know about relationships?  Like, really?

SMH - that's why I laugh at his Dr Reality Steve advice column - like he is some love guru. He does not know anything about anything.

[mercieme]

I think it's ridiculous that Reality Steve criticizes all these contestants for the feelings they have and not getting over someone when the guy is almost 40 and single and doesn't date.  What does he know about relationships?  Like, really?

SMH - that's why I laugh at his Dr Reality Steve advice column - like he is some love guru.  He does not know anything about anything.

Once exception to the bashing this season was Josh, that was proof to me that RS also got back up confirmation from the Murray camp all season. I have never known of a season where he did not go after all the contestants yet he was all Joshie this season, I guess he knows after all where his bread is being buttered.

[Catdwoman50]

I have been giving this whole edit of Nick and Andi some thought.
There is almost always an F2, dividing the opinions, emotions of fans. It makes the show. What I think  - even when we know in our hearts this show is highly edited - is the viewers were "played" (like every season) and Andi had to be privy to it - and Josh as well. Why so intense this year? Because heartbroken Nick (and we all clearly saw why) happened to be videotaped in his first stages of grief and disbelief, saying things in his honest way that he felt at that time to someone he trusted. I wanted to believe it was a setup - that RS was wrong about the ending - because I wanted Andi to have picked the guy who offered her everything. I believed she knew it because of the voiceovers, because of her dogged determination to get time with him, to figure out this man who intrigued her and fascinated her to the point she had a ruckus in her mind. Plus he could kiss, was "hot" and met her needs on all levels and left her in no doubt he could offer her the joy of being his wife.  Whether all the voiceovers were added after the plane video or not, they led us to believe even more what we clearly saw. When did it change? At least for me, after those 2 full days with Josh. We saw her pulling away from Nick, and he seemed to be sensing it. Like his first breakup we had heard about, it was happening again. He couldn't let it go, reinforced by not only what he remembered - and saw on the screen - but all those voiceovers detailing her state of mind. We also clearly saw her relationship with Josh, but the intensity of his and hers seemed to overshadow it. I believe all the unscripted stuff - real life with Eric - the 4th wall - the attempts to contact her afterward (just like Arie and also admitted by Sean in one of his videos) were evidence of that intensity of his. He's 32 or 33, ready for that connection, that completion of himself (his words). I feel like I've been on a rollercoaster, too, and can only imagine how he (and Andi and Josh) must feel. I still hope Nick can get away from all of this to decompress, surround himself with family and friends and start working on healing the tender heart he allowed us and Andi to see.  But that's just my take. I feel for both him, his family and for Andi and Josh. The Powers that Be? They are very good at what they do.

I don't have to post to say the same thing. Analytical minds think alike (wink).

[rosesrREd]

The thing that is weird about the whole next Bachelor process  is the fact they haven't made a choice yet.
a choice yet.  Why haven't they pulled the trigger. Chris it's very popular,  to me it's a pretty easy decision.  I realize Arie was thrown into the mix late but I don't think the decision can be that complicated. I know Nick is polarizing but so was Andi.

[Catdwoman50]

I agree….and she seems super annoying.

Yes, I sort of like her previously, but Im finding her annoying now. She is pretty hot looking, but Im getting an immature vibe about her. I do think Nick could fall hard for this girl.

I don't follow him or her on twitter but if she's that annoying and immature - then no.  When I did see her twitter, I noticed she followed some other contestants so hope that she is not a bachelor groupie..

How do we define that (bolded)? Does someone like us who follow them on twitter, IG, media, etc considered as groupies? I will to admit codependency but a groupie - that's another level of intimacy, like fiancée stuff - right? Hehe for some reason, I still think Nick is looking for that intellectual, mature, and ready for "amazing" type of woman - whom most of us think is Sharleen.

[MonicaJM2001]

That Fleiss Bachelor tweet is probably referencing the split between fans who want Arie and fans who want Chris... He wants to make sure whoever is selected is given a chance by the other side who wanted the other guy.... I hope they pick Arie

[Cecilia]

Yes, I sort of like her previously, but Im finding her annoying now. She is pretty hot looking, but Im getting an immature vibe about her. I do think Nick could fall hard for this girl.

I don't follow him or her on twitter but if she's that annoying and immature - then no.  When I did see her twitter, I noticed she followed some other contestants so hope that she is not a bachelor groupie..

How do we define that (bolded)?  Does someone like us who follow them on twitter, IG, media, etc considered as groupies? I will to admit codependency but a groupie - that's another level of intimacy, like fiancée stuff - right?  Hehe for some reason, I still think Nick is looking for that intellectual, mature, and ready for "amazing" type of woman - whom most of us think is Sharleen.

He may just want to get laid a little after this whole debacle!

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