Re: : Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #8

[Guest]

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/nick-viall-interview-i-only-revealed-i-had-sex-with-the-bachelorette-star-andi-dorfman-because-she-was-so-cold-16568.php

I remember fellow poster Grace said no way Nick would not have told her he loved her while they were in the ocean before they went to the tree since they were far away from the camera. And Bingo he did, he mentioned it at the AFTR but didn't register until I read this in this article. And I do remember that scene where she was shown throwing her head back as Nick said. Nick may be aspirational but he sure as heck is not delusional as some may think!!!!

Excerpt from the article
One thing I said to her was, "There was that moment when I told her I loved her in the ocean and her initial response was to throw her head back in frustration and say, 'I wish I could say things back.'" And I mentioned that to her and she nodded her head "yes" like she remembers that moment. It was just like, "I know you're not suppose to assume," but.

i concur that mercieme...he can be some other things..but not delusional nor non-intuitive. She gave her reassurance all along   to only end up with another guy . Wonkiest season ever

[Guest]

Love this:

We're all for women sleeping with whomever they want without being publicly shamed for it, as long as they're honest with their partners. In all our advice writing, we encourage (read: demand) that people treat their sex partners with respect, open communication and forthrightness

That's why I get so angry at people for saying that Nick slut-shamed Andi. He didn't! He's not angry that she's a sexual person. He's angry that she wasn't open and honest about the situation when she had sex with him; she basically mislead him to get him into bed, and that's something that should be called out.

[Cecilia]

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/nick-viall-interview-i-only-revealed-i-had-sex-with-the-bachelorette-star-andi-dorfman-because-she-was-so-cold-16568.php

I remember fellow poster Grace said no way Nick would not have told her he loved her while they were in the ocean before they went to the tree since they were far away from the camera. And Bingo he did, he mentioned it at the AFTR but didn't register until I read this in this article. And I do remember that scene where she was shown throwing her head back as Nick said. Nick may be aspirational but he sure as heck is not delusional as some may think!!!!

Excerpt from the article
One thing I said to her was, "There was that moment when I told her I loved her in the ocean and her initial response was to throw her head back in frustration and say, 'I wish I could say things back.'" And I mentioned that to her and she nodded her head "yes" like she remembers that moment. It was just like, "I know you're not suppose to assume," but.

Yes! So the ILU by the tree was bc cameras didn't catch the first ILU which was private and which is so adorable.

[Cecilia]

Also - I'm rewatching now. I don't understand why she didn't just let him go on LCD. He was asking for confirmation and she gave him some type of confirmation only to dump him the next morning. Odd.

[Guest]

If JP was a pig according to MeandI, I guess that makes MeandI a sow?

LOL!

[b]

http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/07/29/chris-harrison-blogs-the-bachelorette-andi-finale/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ew%2Fpopwatch+(Entertainment+Weekly%2FEW.com%27s%3A+PopWatch)

CH is always going to be team whoever is picked.  Unless it's JP's season.

He just aggravates me with all his innuendo that something was not right in Jodi-land and implying Nick was the better choice - probably fed the same bs to Nick too.

Chris H states that he doesn't know what is in the letter Nick wrote?  Chris used the exact same phrase, "the road less travelled" as Nick did in the letter, to describe Andi and Nick's relationship in one of his latest blogs? Remember that one?  where Chris says that Josh is the familiar relationship that Andi is used to, but Nick's is the relationship that Andi aspires to...although he wasn't sure if Andi would have the courage to pull the trigger to go foe the road less travelled when it came decision time??  
Actually it turns out she didn't have the courage to go for it.  It seemed to me that her anger at being questioned was partly due to regret about what she may be passing up, and probably guilt because she knew she had conveyed strong feelings and great possibility of a future together with Nick.  Otherwise I think she would have been able to be compassionate and understanding when trying to explain to Nick that she had to let him go.  The way she was with Chris, Marcus, JJ, Brian,Marquel, Tasos, etc.  The anger was partly necessary as a guard to stop being in tune with Nick, to transfer her real feelings for Nick to Josh (who she had feelings for too) so she could feel 100% in her decision.  The other part of her anger seemed to arise from being unable or unwilling to feel any empathy for what she knew as genuine hurt in someone she professed to care for.  Unbelievable lack of integrity - Nick did indeed dodge a self centered bullet.

aglaea I posted a similar question about Andi's anger toward Nick (even during finale), mostly to myself as I'm trying to satisfy this in my head.  Why did she show such little emotion when letting him go compared to several others with whom she shared less.  I had the same thought that perhaps she really did have feelings for him, more than she wanted to admit, and the only way she could manage those feelings, was to mask them and let lawyerAndi come out.  It seems to be her go to whenever she is insecure.   I agree w Nick that she took it too far (and I'm not just talking about sex), she didn't have to give him as much as she did for the purpose of the show.  If  last night is the real Andi and she was an actress on the show, what a disappointing season.  The guys on the show this season were great and that's what I'll remember.  And will continue to follow Nick.     :Nod: :Nod:

[Guest]

Love this:

We're all for women sleeping with whomever they want without being publicly shamed for it, as long as they're honest with their partners. In all our advice writing, we encourage (read: demand) that people treat their sex partners with respect, open communication and forthrightness

That's why I get so angry at people for saying that Nick slut-shamed Andi. He didn't! He's not angry that she's a sexual person. He's angry that she wasn't open and honest about the situation when she had sex with him; she basically mislead him to get him into bed, and that's something that should be called out.

yes....quoting from reality tv world :

And I think, again, that's why I was so taken aback by how cold she seemed and there was no empathy. I was just so, like, shocked thinking. And when she made that comment about not ever loving me -- and it sounded like she wasn't even close -- it was just like, "Whoa!" And I think it just kind of poured out.

Read more at http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/nick-viall-interview-i-only-revealed-i-had-sex-with-the-bachelorette-star-andi-dorfman-because-she-was-so-cold-16568.php#Fur6sHM3zkLQz0dt.99

that particular part give me much saadz...he was hurt badly..and she finally hit the chord of his last defense..his dignity. Actually me thinks Meandi has none of empathy feelings in her. She should find and installed it before getting married.  

im hoping he realized by now that he has dodged a major bullet and he deserves way much better.

[nutty1]

She was so much more upset with Cody!! What the heck?
Maybe she was annoyed because she didn't want to care about him and he brought those feelings out, when all she wanted was to be part of Atlanta's First Family!

[Guest]

She was so much more upset with Cody!! What the heck?
Maybe she was annoyed because she didn't want to care about him and he brought those feelings out, when all she wanted was to be part of Atlanta's First Family!

Trading that once in a lifetime mental/emotional connection in for court side seats.

Wow, I'm sure glad to chat with you all today - feeling much better about this. Feeling relieved for Nick!

[notarose]

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[isittrue]

She was so much more upset with Cody!! What the heck?
Maybe she was annoyed because she didn't want to care about him and he brought those feelings out, when all she wanted was to be part of Atlanta's First Family!

Yeah, almost if she had to talk herself out of any feelings for Nick so she could choose Josh. Her behavior was just so off the whole finale. Glad Nick dodged the bullet.

[beader]

Yeah, I am not liking Josh so-far since last night and post-show.  Glad to not have to follow either of the particular couple.

How very old testament of you Josh. "To be honest, it was very classless and disrespectful. It just shows the type of person that he really is," says Murray. "I don't associate myself with those kind of people and neither does Andi. ... Really he's of no concern to us or our lives."

How about the classless way your fiance acted to a man that she convinced to open up and trust her?

Josh just falls further and further down the ladder in my opinion.  Maybe they are a perfect match after all.  Maybe the sports blogger should reconsider her initial opinion of Josh, I know I am.

Per the bolded: Really Josh? MeandI doesn't associate with those kind of people? She just sleeps with them?   

Wonder if they are planning to disassociate themselves with Andi's classless and disrespectful friend, Kelly Travisty?

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