Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #7

[MVMom39forever]

Feel free to put this in the clues thread, if you feel so moved. Still Team Nick.
Things I've noted: In the opening scenes getting ready to introduce the men -- Nick in second group of men getting in limo shots. He is hidden at first, camera cuts away before you see him, shadowy him about to get in limo - Andi says 25 men to find what I'm looking for

she says she really believes her - great love - (two words seem to be dubbed) is somewhere waiting in that group of men - he's in the group that is next shown toasting "to Andi" - Nick again hidden (this time by the drink he is toasting)

Andi says (voiceover) as she is coming out of mansion in greeting gown. I feel so lucky. I'm about to meet my husband.
Somebody says I'm excited to finally meet her. Chris is shown, then Nick (yes, looking excited, eyebrows  go up) You hear him say, but don't see it. "She's gotta be nervous, like us". The next thing Andi's telling Chris H. she's so excited, but so nervous. Mind-reader? Ha-ha. No Josh shown in the first limo or group of men walking scenes

Interesting...Marquel is in the first limo (he was part of first group shown
walking, getting in Limo that Nick was in). Nick is shown later, after lamp guy, I think.
She clearly digs polka dot tie, way he wore a suit. Nick front and center at toast
after rose ceremony, clearly not as skeptical, right? Josh by him.
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ABC commercial? bachelorette promo  - flash of shots - noticed bird man shots twice, vo my life is about to change, her walking in masquerade gown, Josh talking about how natural, how great it is when he's with her over her kissing Nick in Venice, then shot of Josh and her dancing, he tells her she makes him happy, then Nick voiceover? I can totally see myself growing old with her over her sledding with Eric. (just a thought. tbt reference to Sean and Catherine in the snow? When she said she could see him as an old man?)

Andi's VO there are things that I felt that I didn't even know were possible over her kissing Chris. Then closeup of Nick saying he is 100% crazy about her. Andi vo during fireworks kiss he sees every part of me, there is that connection I cannot even deny over her and Josh close up kiss. Nick and her at Venice again him telling her that once you have something special you are afraid you are going to lose it.

You hear Nick say she's my girl, then they show him telling the guys I am not interested in your dates.

May 1st abc promo - focus on nick shots first date - things we didn't see...but were told about.
her first time in helicopter Eric's date, then later she's excited on Nick's first time in a helicopter
On Chris' date Andi talks about love for a lifetime - she later says level of passion with Nick is once in a lifetime (at least twice).
During Chris' date, Andi talks about liking people who are sweet and genuine. Said that about Nick in first ITM after First Impression Rose.
Also during Chris' date she talks about it takes gut to break off an engagement when it is just not right. (maybe a voiceover).
Andi also talks during that date about not just good, but great. (theme of great love - later discussed by Andi and Nick).
My opinion - if the feelings of love had been there with Chris, it might have been him and Nick at the end. They did seem on the same page early on and I think she really liked Chris, (another reference to them both looking for great love - not just good, not settling for just
good, and she said she was so happy right now) but again my opinion - here comes Nick! game over.
Date night card at second cocktail party. discussion about perfect connection, both wanting good, not great. What has she talked about regarding him the whole season? Their great connection. Sitting by him and J.J. (another guy I felt she was really leaning  toward) when
Chris came to get her for the rose ceremony. Nick V. had a polka dot handkerchief that ceremony. Remember polka dot cup and dress of Andi when little with polka dots. Coincidence or clues??? She kissed Josh first, but had a whole day and good night date with our Nick. positive thinking...
Description of Nick during their first one-on-one, they don't say again the rest of the season, it seems that she talks about the connection and passion instead - she feels giddy, romantic, that spark with their kissing. Skeptic Nick, but still ecstatic about going on his first one-on-one. "Normal" date, so she can get to know him. Guys already jealous. One of ABC's TV promos talk about 3 little words. Jea-lou-sy. The marriage talk on their date. Discussion of possibility of falling in love with the idea of someone, not them. (recognition of the dangers of the bubble) He will recognize real love because he felt he has had it.

Andi starts seeing that connection - 100% potential. Talks about their having so much in common. She wants to turn him (the skeptic) into a believer by developing real feelings for him. Challenge? Note: no like challenge with Josh. He's already declared her "his" by the second cocktail party.

Discussion after mime date - Andi ITM talks about he sees who she is, and the mental/emotional connection off the charts. Andi tells him
he's causing a ruckus in her mind. During the surprise one-on-one (Venice) Andi discusses being heartbroken by Nick if he turns out not to be who she thought. Real feelings IMO. (You can't be heartbroken by someone you don't care about. Voiceover during masquerade hall date. Nick ITM is falling in love. Rose would validate those feelings.

Andi voiceover "Nick looks amazing. In his tux, he looks like a Prince."  (VO) Date in Venice with Nick has been amazing. Never did I think we would be in the 6th week and he would be saying he's falling in love with me. Feels good to hear it (slight emphasis I hear) from Nick. She doesn't want it to end. If I end up with Nick, I could look back on this date and say Ok, Venice is where I think I fell in love with him. Makes me very hopeful for the future. Clearly liked him stealing her away at the next cocktail party. That is a man. Very expressive about that, and the fact he couldn't wait to kiss her. The sneak over in Brussels. Yes, totally set up. His reason? Going into hometowns - he needed to know where she was at.

He's been persistent all his life, especially when something is important to him. She squeals with him. A sign she is excited and falling, too. Regardless of the date she just came off of, and the one she would be going on "tomorrow.

4 on 1 date, winner gets hometown for sure and a private date. No contest. Nick wins. Chris is a close? second, I think.

Chris seems to be her "Sean" (per Emily's season) Passion not there, but everything else fits.

We all saw Andi hug and keep holding on to Nick and squealing at the start of FS date. Girlfriend kept nudging him with her knee the entire time they talked until the reading of the storybook, then switched to massaging his leg. I totally see her besotted with him at this point. When she says "I love hearing that" to his quiet declaration of "I love you, Andi" it is barely breathed on the way to the "kiss". But that smile before, and the ITM immediately confirming that happiness on hearing it (which we did not get with Josh - that I can remember) was so telling to me. What conflicts are left? He's out of the house with the other guys, she's seen him interact positively with close friends and how he is in real life (as opposed to the bubble where the guys were probably encouraged to be jealous of him), got a green light from the family (which she voiced). Hy? Edit, edit, edit and voiceovers to make it seem Hy is intimidating him - a new problem. Are we to believe Josh (who has had way less time) can match Nick in the "great love" department? I don't see it. His "romantic" gift is sports-oriented.

Be still my heart! Like the Nick lounging by the pool photo, I vote we include Mimi's excellent insight on every thread so we can relive the season ...

well done!

[notarose]

 Mimitalks!

[sdmom]

Here's the picture I was talking about. Two different people uploaded the same one.

What happened? I was out most of the day and now this post says "content unavailable"?? Can someone please re-post the photo please?

[MVMom39forever]

Can I just say how lucky Andi Dorfman is ... soon to be Andi Viall!  Nick is the absolute full package! I cannot wait until tomorrow!  It has been a bit of a roller coaster but it has been so much fun being a Nick fan this season.  Nick has become my all time favorite Bach contestant!  And I didn't think anyone could top Roberto for me!  And Cheers to all the Nian believers who stayed on track and also to the Nian skeptics who have challenged us but at the same time fueled our determination to stay on track to realize a beautiful love Story.  And finally to all the Nick fans that have truely seen who this man is regardless of the edit and have stood up for him regardless of the cruelness he experienced with SM.... It wasn't easy but we did!

This Picture always warms my heart when I see it .....#Great Love  
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Cheers, indeed! I love her red dress. I love how she hugs him for everything that she's worth. And he returns the pressure. She knows the end is near and it has had to be just an exhausting process. Andi really has done a great job this season (and kudos to casting for finding Nick!). She found her guy, got her great love and all the while kept audience guessing.

All I can say is if If Nick tears up tomorrow during the FRC proposal, I am going to be sobbing right along with him.

[MVMom39forever]

Sue    Eruditus unite   

   Eruditus Unitus NR!!!    

Group hug !

[MonicaJM2001]

Feel free to put this in the clues thread, if you feel so moved. Still Team Nick.
Things I've noted: In the opening scenes getting ready to introduce the men -- Nick in second group of men getting in limo shots. He is hidden at first, camera cuts away before you see him, shadowy him about to get in limo - Andi says 25 men to find what I'm looking for

she says she really believes her - great love - (two words seem to be dubbed) is somewhere waiting in that group of men - he's in the group that is next shown toasting "to Andi" - Nick again hidden (this time by the drink he is toasting)

Andi says (voiceover) as she is coming out of mansion in greeting gown. I feel so lucky. I'm about to meet my husband.
Somebody says I'm excited to finally meet her. Chris is shown, then Nick (yes, looking excited, eyebrows  go up) You hear him say, but don't see it. "She's gotta be nervous, like us". The next thing Andi's telling Chris H. she's so excited, but so nervous. Mind-reader? Ha-ha. No Josh shown in the first limo or group of men walking scenes

Interesting...Marquel is in the first limo (he was part of first group shown
walking, getting in Limo that Nick was in). Nick is shown later, after lamp guy, I think.
She clearly digs polka dot tie, way he wore a suit. Nick front and center at toast
after rose ceremony, clearly not as skeptical, right? Josh by him.
--------------------------------
ABC commercial? bachelorette promo  - flash of shots - noticed bird man shots twice, vo my life is about to change, her walking in masquerade gown, Josh talking about how natural, how great it is when he's with her over her kissing Nick in Venice, then shot of Josh and her dancing, he tells her she makes him happy, then Nick voiceover? I can totally see myself growing old with her over her sledding with Eric. (just a thought. tbt reference to Sean and Catherine in the snow? When she said she could see him as an old man?)

Andi's VO there are things that I felt that I didn't even know were possible over her kissing Chris. Then closeup of Nick saying he is 100% crazy about her. Andi vo during fireworks kiss he sees every part of me, there is that connection I cannot even deny over her and Josh close up kiss. Nick and her at Venice again him telling her that once you have something special you are afraid you are going to lose it.

You hear Nick say she's my girl, then they show him telling the guys I am not interested in your dates.

May 1st abc promo - focus on nick shots first date - things we didn't see...but were told about.
her first time in helicopter Eric's date, then later she's excited on Nick's first time in a helicopter
On Chris' date Andi talks about love for a lifetime - she later says level of passion with Nick is once in a lifetime (at least twice).
During Chris' date, Andi talks about liking people who are sweet and genuine. Said that about Nick in first ITM after First Impression Rose.
Also during Chris' date she talks about it takes gut to break off an engagement when it is just not right. (maybe a voiceover).
Andi also talks during that date about not just good, but great. (theme of great love - later discussed by Andi and Nick).
My opinion - if the feelings of love had been there with Chris, it might have been him and Nick at the end. They did seem on the same page early on and I think she really liked Chris, (another reference to them both looking for great love - not just good, not settling for just
good, and she said she was so happy right now) but again my opinion - here comes Nick! game over.
Date night card at second cocktail party. discussion about perfect connection, both wanting good, not great. What has she talked about regarding him the whole season? Their great connection. Sitting by him and J.J. (another guy I felt she was really leaning  toward) when
Chris came to get her for the rose ceremony. Nick V. had a polka dot handkerchief that ceremony. Remember polka dot cup and dress of Andi when little with polka dots. Coincidence or clues??? She kissed Josh first, but had a whole day and good night date with our Nick. positive thinking...
Description of Nick during their first one-on-one, they don't say again the rest of the season, it seems that she talks about the connection and passion instead - she feels giddy, romantic, that spark with their kissing. Skeptic Nick, but still ecstatic about going on his first one-on-one. "Normal" date, so she can get to know him. Guys already jealous. One of ABC's TV promos talk about 3 little words. Jea-lou-sy. The marriage talk on their date. Discussion of possibility of falling in love with the idea of someone, not them. (recognition of the dangers of the bubble) He will recognize real love because he felt he has had it.

Andi starts seeing that connection - 100% potential. Talks about their having so much in common. She wants to turn him (the skeptic) into a believer by developing real feelings for him. Challenge? Note: no like challenge with Josh. He's already declared her "his" by the second cocktail party.

Discussion after mime date - Andi ITM talks about he sees who she is, and the mental/emotional connection off the charts. Andi tells him
he's causing a ruckus in her mind. During the surprise one-on-one (Venice) Andi discusses being heartbroken by Nick if he turns out not to be who she thought. Real feelings IMO. (You can't be heartbroken by someone you don't care about. Voiceover during masquerade hall date. Nick ITM is falling in love. Rose would validate those feelings.

Andi voiceover "Nick looks amazing. In his tux, he looks like a Prince."  (VO) Date in Venice with Nick has been amazing. Never did I think we would be in the 6th week and he would be saying he's falling in love with me. Feels good to hear it (slight emphasis I hear) from Nick. She doesn't want it to end. If I end up with Nick, I could look back on this date and say Ok, Venice is where I think I fell in love with him. Makes me very hopeful for the future. Clearly liked him stealing her away at the next cocktail party. That is a man. Very expressive about that, and the fact he couldn't wait to kiss her. The sneak over in Brussels. Yes, totally set up. His reason? Going into hometowns - he needed to know where she was at.

He's been persistent all his life, especially when something is important to him. She squeals with him. A sign she is excited and falling, too. Regardless of the date she just came off of, and the one she would be going on "tomorrow.

4 on 1 date, winner gets hometown for sure and a private date. No contest. Nick wins. Chris is a close? second, I think.

Chris seems to be her "Sean" (per Emily's season) Passion not there, but everything else fits.

We all saw Andi hug and keep holding on to Nick and squealing at the start of FS date. Girlfriend kept nudging him with her knee the entire time they talked until the reading of the storybook, then switched to massaging his leg. I totally see her besotted with him at this point. When she says "I love hearing that" to his quiet declaration of "I love you, Andi" it is barely breathed on the way to the "kiss". But that smile before, and the ITM immediately confirming that happiness on hearing it (which we did not get with Josh - that I can remember) was so telling to me. What conflicts are left? He's out of the house with the other guys, she's seen him interact positively with close friends and how he is in real life (as opposed to the bubble where the guys were probably encouraged to be jealous of him), got a green light from the family (which she voiced). Hy? Edit, edit, edit and voiceovers to make it seem Hy is intimidating him - a new problem. Are we to believe Josh (who has had way less time) can match Nick in the "great love" department? I don't see it. His "romantic" gift is sports-oriented.

Be still my heart! Like the Nick lounging by the pool photo, I vote we include Mimi's excellent insight on every thread so we can relive the season ...

well done!

    

[notarose]

Here's the picture I was talking about. Two different people uploaded the same one.

What happened? I was out most of the day and now this post says "content unavailable"?? Can someone please re-post the photo please?

The original poster, one of Nick Sutter's brothers, deleted it on IG.  It was a pic from Nick S's birthday on Friday at a club in Chi. Nick V was there as well as the birthday boy, Nick S's two brothers and sister and 1 other guy (I think) and 2 girls.
Maybe the brother will repost.  Everyone's eyes looked weird.  It wasn't a very good pic.

[sdmom]

^Thanks! But not very good pictures are better than no pictures. .
Nick S was on the show for a long time but it seems he got along with others pretty well. I am glad Nick V made friends from this show.

[MVMom39forever]

NICK's twitter: he favorited this tweet posted by @dannyhoyt (from Buzztv)
“love so deep
is washing over me
your face is all I seek
you are my everything“

Full lyrics from this song:


There is a connection between things Danny has been saying on Buzztv re: bachelorette recaps and Nick.  Someone with better knowledge, please chime in  

Sure, I'll bite.  All season Danny has been firmly on team Nick, Cathy has been firmly on Team Josh and the host JC has been hinting that he was Team Josh. They ended the recap for the Fantasy Date ep with JC and Cathy 100 percent that Josh was final 1. JC said it was most obvious season ever. Nick is still firmly on Team Nick and has shared that he and Nick had been exchanging DM's ... called him genuine.

Fast forward to week after MTA ...

Without another episode of dates to watch, JC for some reason SUDDENLY took nearly a 180 degree turn saying he can see ending going either way.

Danny mentioned that the Twitter campaign @Bachelorette started after MTA (retweet if you think Josh, favor if you think Nick ... or vice versa), Josh was in the lead by 700 percent.

JC said (paraphrasing) 1) wouldn't it be best season ever if TPTB surprised everyone with Nick being F1 and 2) reminded podcast listeners that Andi said, "Once in a lifetime feeling with Nick." Both JC and Danny agreed that's powerful stuff.

So congratulations to JC for finally seeing the light and staying open to the possibility that Nick could indeed be F1 and that tomorrow could possibly be one of the most romantic proposals ever. Great Love.

ETA ... beautiful song. poignant lyrics. such a keeper. lucky couple.

[Guest]

just decorating the thread...  best kiss of the season?   

[julychild]

just decorating the thread...  best kiss of the season?   

...bar none!

[MonicaJM2001]

Can I just say how lucky Andi Dorfman is ... soon to be Andi Viall!  Nick is the absolute full package! I cannot wait until tomorrow!  It has been a bit of a roller coaster but it has been so much fun being a Nick fan this season.  Nick has become my all time favorite Bach contestant!  And I didn't think anyone could top Roberto for me!  And Cheers to all the Nian believers who stayed on track and also to the Nian skeptics who have challenged us but at the same time fueled our determination to stay on track to realize a beautiful love Story.  And finally to all the Nick fans that have truely seen who this man is regardless of the edit and have stood up for him regardless of the cruelness he experienced with SM.... It wasn't easy but we did!

This Picture always warms my heart when I see it .....#Great Love  
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Cheers, indeed! I love her red dress. I love how she hugs him for everything that she's worth. And he returns the pressure. She knows the end is near and it has had to be just an exhausting process. Andi really has done a great job this season (and kudos to casting for finding Nick!). She found her guy, got her great love and all the while kept audience guessing.

All I can say is if If Nick tears up tomorrow during the FRC proposal, I am going to be sobbing right along with him.  

yeah i suspect he may tear up......... and also as mentioned above she really does clutch on to him for dear life when they embrace. It is usually Nick backing away to look at her or talk to her and she just can't get enough and pulls him right back in!

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