Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #7

[nutty1]

New preview on media thread for those of u that don't venture out of this thread.  Andi seen in that maxi dress, pouring rain, walking out of hotel on way to possibly let go F2...

Also Murray family tweeting a pic of a rose with txt 'game day baby'

Interesting choice of words: 
"game day". 

Not something that comes to my mind. Is this a competition and is there a prize? Is it a carnival?  

I have said it all along…. oops, I forgot..


TEAM NICK!!!!! TEAM SALTY!!!

[Guest]

This last Post is dedicated to all Nick fans, who have been very remarkable supportive of Nick and of each other, against all odds. Its been honor to be with you all here this season...  Thanks for letting me share many products of my cray, endless curio mind here ....the safest place for me, where i can freely speak and share my mind with no worries. Greatly appreciated!...  . and..Shout outs to all my partners in crime who have shared their trust, insight,s info, analysis,thought, feeling, with me. I cant thank you enough and I am so grateful for all and each of you!   

YES, Nick is F1... Read the posts back from last night to today.  Should make you feel better.

I did read and I love reading everything you all have to say! I just gives me pause when RS is so sure of himself and says see you on the 28th like he can't wait to be right. Sorry to bring negativity in a happy place. I just keep going back and forth in my head with it.

One word, or should I say 3.... MY Brooks, Brooks, Brooks. I hung on to RS spoilers and his every ounce of confidence last season. EVERY OUNCE. I think I've more than learned my lesson to ever do that again. Last year he was so sure, 1000% positive that Bres were engaged and still going EVEN AFTER Brooks left. The foil last year turned out to be the whole "Brooks returns at the end." Is it "inconceivable" that this season "ze plane, ze plane!" video/"she changed her mind at the last minute" is the ruse?  

Everyone should observe my Siggy   .Man! i never knew how it feels to get "RSed". It must have been sucked Monica!
LOL...I couldnt have said it better.  "Brooks returns at the end." = definitely ""she changed her mind at the last minute"   . It will keep the viewers and RS at the edge of their seats till the last minute. . Very clever of Mr. Chris Viall,  "inconceivable" ........i cant even conceive how big (and sweet ) the kaboom will be....

Channeling Nick   , i love to strategizing/playing scenarios with Fleiss's devious tricks. So pls excuse me if the Conspiracy Theory came up often in my post. . I always thought Fleiss have 2 different targeted viewers group to fool :
1) The avid fans--who seek info from RS and/or do their own sleuthing
2) General viewers-- who only watch every Monday
in this sense, the video, snapchats and all RS's evidences are serving its purpose for targeted group 1) while the horrid edit of Nick in prior episodes serve to smokescreen his connection with Andi as the F1 for group 2).
see,  few foreshadowing in middle season episodes implying Nick as the one and only man at FRC, suggesting Josh will be let go at a point after LCD before FRC. I can already picture avid fan viewers keep thinking he will return in order the spoilers to be right.... It will be 'at the last minute' surprise for RS as well... Oh my....

Call me crazy. I believe the homeygirl had falling fast for Nick since their first 1-1 (on epi 3)---this is described well by an awesome friend   :
- her blogs. They go on one date and all of a suddenly she writes about this great mental, intellectual, physical connection.
- flowers/note: she goes to find him, zooms him out of the kitchen and out the door (really cute move; she could have done the usual and sat him on a bench or couch) then can't even wait for him to take off his suit jacket before smooching him up. That was after 1 date because he had NO dates in epi 2.

Needless to say, TPTB need to hide this early connection like crazy..including to throw the F1 in his 'personal' edit under the bus. (drama with the guys)--more on this later.I found a pattern resembling Des's in term of storyline and VOs. This season is dedicated to Eric so they put the LS in full glory at the expense of necessary foiler scheme. to hide the obvious in the plain sight.

Edit Summary -My perspective:
1.Nick personal edit resembles a Big V letter in my book. FIR- best edit on ep 3.4 then downhill on ep 5-7 to rising up again from ep 8 till FRC to a new peak. Big Victory for a Viall guy who loves wearing deep V neck  

2. NiAn LS edit resembles Eric's bracelet: their Relation still keep moving fwd forming the dots/circle in between cueing the 'connection', with Rose on either end: FIR and next, FR

Note that these 2 edits dont necessarily go together. on epi 5 when Nick's edit hit the lowest low his relationship with Andi still keep moving forward (Andi told him: if i were your wife....Nick reciting his 'When i see you' ). on ep.7 when he personally described as Tricky, TPTB rewarded him w Trista-Ryan guitar riff (typical F1) and Andi praised him highly both on her PI on-screen and on her blog, off-screen. (plus, CH on his blog).. Tricky devious TPTB indeed! to fool viewers to think he cant be the F1 due to his bad personal edit, while showing us a very powerful, thought provoking, raw and real Love Story . . A veiled Season

just as Chres LS, they have built the storyline between Nian comprehensively as the main storyline.NO WAY they will waste it in the end to crash and burn. And oh, just in case anyone wondering, no smoking gun clues for spoiled F2 who is the actual F1. JMO, of course, flashing back to Chres’ season.

And of course, since this season is dedicated to Eric, there is what i called as an Eric Effect. Bringing over Sue and NR's posts  in light of the Eric Effect:

SueSt wrote:
When speaking with his mom Nick says:
I don't want to be that person who's had his heart broke before in the past and that won't live his life to the fullest because he's afraid to put himself out there.
In the context of the episode around Eric's passing - Is there a more appropriate sentiment??
Very sweet!#LivinglikeEric....

notarose wrote:
This is truly beautiful.  
Such a poignant approach to living one's life.  We likely all know people who cannot completely let go of their past heartbreaks and use what other people made them feel as an excuse to not be open hearted with someone new. True love is not about protecting your own heart; it's about giving your heart to someone else to protect for you... and you, in turn, are responsible for theirs.
Such depth!
Love that one circle is now complete.  How strong is Nick?  He fell in love with Andi on a tv show while having to not only deal with other guys showmancing his girl but having to also deal with them questioning his integrity. Under these circumstances, he was the first and last rose.  Like a string of pearls with roses on either end, the clasp is now secured.   (get outta here NR..you are such gifted with words!   )

MY TAKE: That being said, i really believe the Eric Effect have played important role in Andi's final decision and... in TPTB's decision. Like i have posted, looks like Eric's passing made her to re-focus on whats important in life and how she view things, including what she has with Nick. Which is real and truly once in a life time experience and chance. I believe from way back, going to DR, she already set her mind who her F1 was (Nick)..that explained the type of date Nick got..and the unnecessity to keep the other guys around any longer --re: Chris's sent home before FS.  As for TPTB's part, Eric's death has also been the wake up call for them to showcase the Love Story that has been hidden for so long .

Im glad that we all get to see both Nick's personal edit soften and the LS is in full force,  on epi.8 and 9. On epi 8 Andi only said she saw the future with the one and only Nick (not shown in the other 3 guys) directly to both his sisters and the camera. On epi 9, it iterated in the intro package where she clearly said : she can see herself with Nick staying in love, and growing old together   (Note that she only used more 'generic' terms for Josh and Chris). Never before, TPTB also has 'allowed' such powerful VOs (once in a life time type of stuff, he sees my heart, my mind, my soul) and PIs for us to savor.  . All of these are dedicated to Eric, for great love he has represented and for the one he missed during his life time. In this sense, I also believe unlike past seasons, TPTB will give more freedom for Andi to put her Great Love story with Nick front and centre in the end, to be memorable for a life time. Among others will be : Nick as the only and the last man standing at the FRC (both have been foreshadowed in prev episodes). . We shall see!  

To top that, i also believe wholeheartedly--as suggest by NR--that TIME has been main focused in Nian relationship (the sign of 'time' has been all over their LS edit). In the essence, they knew they cant control when the 'time' (to leave this world) come. So as they talked on their first date, its only the matter of decision. we chose to be together, NOT with anyone else and we'll work it out no matter what..so, why later?...... Isnt it soooo real and romantic?   IMO a wedding aka in Nick's term 'impending danger' in the horizon.   

All being said, i honestly can see you all on the PBnRW Thread!...   :sweetheart:   

PS: no worries, i could be wrong..until proven to be right (we’ll find out soon either way! ).
I have had tonz of fun and learned a lot with my sleuthing this season. And i have made a lot of awesome friends in y’all this season  . Thats all that matter to me. Like Nick, i feel that im a winner already!.. Thanks to this happy, inspiring place!..  

[SueSt]

New preview on media thread for those of u that don't venture out of this thread.  Andi seen in that maxi dress, pouring rain, walking out of hotel on way to possibly let go F2...

Also Murray family tweeting a pic of a rose with txt 'game day baby'

Interesting choice of words: 
"game day". 

Not something that comes to my mind. Is this a competition and is there a prize? Is it a carnival?  

The Murrays do seem to be a competitive bunch... glad that they are indicating a sense of humor about the proceedings.
Still, for me, it's not a positive tweet for Josh.

[isittrue]

New preview on media thread for those of u that don't venture out of this thread.  Andi seen in that maxi dress, pouring rain, walking out of hotel on way to possibly let go F2...

Also Murray family tweeting a pic of a rose with txt 'game day baby'

Interesting choice of words: 
"game day". 

Not something that comes to my mind. Is this a competition and is there a prize? Is it a carnival?  

   All I can say is no comment and Team Nick!

[Guest]

    Mura, you are awesome!  Nick was definitely trying to keep it together when he had to talk about masking his feelings for Andi!  You really don't miss a thing at all, Mura.  So with everything that we have all gathered up in regards to this season, is it really that far fetched that this could be a Mega foiler season?   I think not!  And nobody will ever convince me that that plane video is legit! No way no how! Nick is the F1 and everyone will see it all unfold in the next 12 hours! :bigsmile: :bigsmile: 

thanks happy and unknown!. That means a lot!  

Just pls keep hoping im right, but more importantly Nick got what he wished for!...  :cutesmile!: 

[beader]

I ask, because I've actually never tried it ... the only time I ate PB was with the spoon... straight up. To me it tasted between salty and sweet, so I never imagine jelly on it. You, know it's not in our custom to eat PB, but then I'm not good with the combinations, I even don't eat jelly on the butter, which is something everyone does it here.

You have to try a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. It's like an American tradition. Almost every child grew up taking one to school for lunch. Unfortunately, some schools now don't allow peanut butter because a very few are deathly allergic to it. When I was young (eons ago), the cafeteria gave them away free because they got it free from the government. Those were actually peanut butter and honey.

Anyway, I'm so looking forward to the show--mainly just to get it over with. I so hope Nick is happy and will have a great future and a great love.

[notarose]

Little did I know that the Nick I photographed on a blustery afternoon last November would turn out to be the very same Nick taking so much flack on this season’s Bachelorette. I only recently discovered they were one in the same.

The second or third time I watched the show I mentioned to Katherine that one of the bachelors looked very familiar.

“That’s the guy,” I said, when Nick finally appeared on camera. ” I feel like I know him.”

Katherine looked up and practically spit her water out.

“That’s because you do know him. That’s the guy you photographed on Oak Street!!!”

“No it’s not” I answered.  “The guy I photographed was much bigger than that.”

“It’s him!” she insisted.

Then, to prove her point she pulled up the post I had done last November featuring Nick. Sure enough, she was right. It was indeed, Nick.

For the record, the Nick I met on that fall day was incredibly kind and extremely funny, nothing at all like he’s being portrayed on the show.

Not sure who Andi picks in tonight’s Bachelorette finale, but Nick made it into the top two. Will he get the final rose? Or will it be Josh? Rumors abound so I guess we’ll just have to tune in to find out who’ll be the last man standing.

http://marymurnane.com

[emad0722]

hi guys I've been MIA of late but I'm always reading and loving these salty posts.

So excited it's finally over tonight - from now and until forever I'm #teamnick #teamsalty - I'll support no matter what the outcome.

Bring on the party!!!!!

ps mf says it gets weird... can't wait!!!

[emad0722]

Little did I know that the Nick I photographed on a blustery afternoon last November would turn out to be the very same Nick taking so much flack on this season’s Bachelorette. I only recently discovered they were one in the same.

The second or third time I watched the show I mentioned to Katherine that one of the bachelors looked very familiar.

“That’s the guy,” I said, when Nick finally appeared on camera. ” I feel like I know him.”

Katherine looked up and practically spit her water out.

“That’s because you do know him. That’s the guy you photographed on Oak Street!!!”

“No it’s not” I answered.  “The guy I photographed was much bigger than that.”

“It’s him!” she insisted.

Then, to prove her point she pulled up the post I had done last November featuring Nick. Sure enough, she was right. It was indeed, Nick.

For the record, the Nick I met on that fall day was incredibly kind and extremely funny, nothing at all like he’s being portrayed on the show.

Not sure who Andi picks in tonight’s Bachelorette finale, but Nick made it into the top two. Will he get the final rose? Or will it be Josh? Rumors abound so I guess we’ll just have to tune in to find out who’ll be the last man standing.

http://marymurnane.com

wowzas this pic is smoking - I think it's my fav yet. An of course it's released on finale day... Yummmmmmmmm

[SueSt]

This last Post is dedicated to all Nick fans, who have been very remarkable supportive of Nick and of each other, against all odds. Its been honor to be with you all here this season...  Thanks for letting me share many products of my cray, endless curio mind here ....the safest place for me, where i can freely speak and share my mind with no worries. Greatly appreciated!...  . and..Shout outs to all my partners in crime who have shared their trust, insight,s info, analysis,thought, feeling, with me. I cant thank you enough and I am so grateful for all and each of you!   

I did read and I love reading everything you all have to say! I just gives me pause when RS is so sure of himself and says see you on the 28th like he can't wait to be right. Sorry to bring negativity in a happy place. I just keep going back and forth in my head with it.

One word, or should I say 3.... MY Brooks, Brooks, Brooks. I hung on to RS spoilers and his every ounce of confidence last season. EVERY OUNCE. I think I've more than learned my lesson to ever do that again. Last year he was so sure, 1000% positive that Bres were engaged and still going EVEN AFTER Brooks left. The foil last year turned out to be the whole "Brooks returns at the end." Is it "inconceivable" that this season "ze plane, ze plane!" video/"she changed her mind at the last minute" is the ruse?  

Everyone should observe my Siggy   .Man! i never knew how it feels to get "RSed". It must have been sucked Monica!
LOL...I couldnt have said it better.  "Brooks returns at the end." = definitely ""she changed her mind at the last minute"   . It will keep the viewers and RS at the edge of their seats till the last minute. . Very clever of Mr. Chris Viall,  "inconceivable" ........i cant even conceive how big (and sweet ) the kaboom will be....

Channeling Nick   , i love to strategizing/playing scenarios with Fleiss's devious tricks. So pls excuse me if the Conspiracy Theory came up often in my post. . I always thought Fleiss have 2 different targeted viewers group to fool :
1) The avid fans--who seek info from RS and/or do their own sleuthing
2) General viewers-- who only watch every Monday
in this sense, the video, snapchats and all RS's evidences are serving its purpose for targeted group 1) while the horrid edit of Nick in prior episodes serve to smokescreen his connection with Andi as the F1 for group 2).
see,  few foreshadowing in middle season episodes implying Nick as the one and only man at FRC, suggesting Josh will be let go at a point after LCD before FRC. I can already picture avid fan viewers keep thinking he will return in order the spoilers to be right.... It will be 'at the last minute' surprise for RS as well... Oh my....

Call me crazy. I believe the homeygirl had falling fast for Nick since their first 1-1 (on epi 3)---this is described well by an awesome friend   :
- her blogs. They go on one date and all of a suddenly she writes about this great mental, intellectual, physical connection.
- flowers/note: she goes to find him, zooms him out of the kitchen and out the door (really cute move; she could have done the usual and sat him on a bench or couch) then can't even wait for him to take off his suit jacket before smooching him up. That was after 1 date because he had NO dates in epi 2.

Needless to say, TPTB need to hide this early connection like crazy..including to throw the F1 in his 'personal' edit under the bus. (drama with the guys)--more on this later.I found a pattern resembling Des's in term of storyline and VOs. This season is dedicated to Eric so they put the LS in full glory at the expense of necessary foiler scheme. to hide the obvious in the plain sight.

Edit Summary -My perspective:
1.Nick personal edit resembles a Big V letter in my book. FIR- best edit on ep 3.4 then downhill on ep 5-7 to rising up again from ep 8 till FRC to a new peak. Big Victory for a Viall guy who loves wearing deep V neck  

2. NiAn LS edit resembles Eric's bracelet: their Relation still keep moving fwd forming the dots/circle in between cueing the 'connection', with Rose on either end: FIR and next, FR

Note that these 2 edits dont necessarily go together. on epi 5 when Nick's edit hit the lowest low his relationship with Andi still keep moving forward (Andi told him: if i were your wife....Nick reciting his 'When i see you' ). on ep.7 when he personally described as Tricky, TPTB rewarded him w Trista-Ryan guitar riff (typical F1) and Andi praised him highly both on her PI on-screen and on her blog, off-screen. (plus, CH on his blog).. Tricky devious TPTB indeed! to fool viewers to think he cant be the F1 due to his bad personal edit, while showing us a very powerful, thought provoking, raw and real Love Story . . A veiled Season

just as Chres LS, they have built the storyline between Nian comprehensively as the main storyline.NO WAY they will waste it in the end to crash and burn. And oh, just in case anyone wondering, no smoking gun clues for spoiled F2 who is the actual F1. JMO, of course, flashing back to Chres’ season.

And of course, since this season is dedicated to Eric, there is what i called as an Eric Effect. Bringing over Sue and NR's posts  in light of the Eric Effect:

SueSt wrote:
When speaking with his mom Nick says:
I don't want to be that person who's had his heart broke before in the past and that won't live his life to the fullest because he's afraid to put himself out there.
In the context of the episode around Eric's passing - Is there a more appropriate sentiment??
Very sweet!#LivinglikeEric....

notarose wrote:
This is truly beautiful.  
Such a poignant approach to living one's life.  We likely all know people who cannot completely let go of their past heartbreaks and use what other people made them feel as an excuse to not be open hearted with someone new. True love is not about protecting your own heart; it's about giving your heart to someone else to protect for you... and you, in turn, are responsible for theirs.
Such depth!
Love that one circle is now complete.  How strong is Nick?  He fell in love with Andi on a tv show while having to not only deal with other guys showmancing his girl but having to also deal with them questioning his integrity. Under these circumstances, he was the first and last rose.  Like a string of pearls with roses on either end, the clasp is now secured.   (get outta here NR..you are such gifted with words!   )

MY TAKE: That being said, i really believe the Eric Effect have played important role in Andi's final decision and... in TPTB's decision. Like i have posted, looks like Eric's passing made her to re-focus on whats important in life and how she view things, including what she has with Nick. Which is real and truly once in a life time experience and chance. I believe from way back, going to DR, she already set her mind who her F1 was (Nick)..that explained the type of date Nick got..and the unnecessity to keep the other guys around any longer --re: Chris's sent home before FS.  As for TPTB's part, Eric's death has also been the wake up call for them to showcase the Love Story that has been hidden for so long .

Im glad that we all get to see both Nick's personal edit soften and the LS is in full force,  on epi.8 and 9. On epi 8 Andi only said she saw the future with the one and only Nick (not shown in the other 3 guys) directly to both his sisters and the camera. On epi 9, it iterated in the intro package where she clearly said : she can see herself with Nick staying in love, and growing old together   (Note that she only used more 'generic' terms for Josh and Chris). Never before, TPTB also has 'allowed' such powerful VOs (once in a life time type of stuff, he sees my heart, my mind, my soul) and PIs for us to savor.  . All of these are dedicated to Eric, for great love he has represented and for the one he missed during his life time. In this sense, I also believe unlike past seasons, TPTB will give more freedom for Andi to put her Great Love story with Nick front and centre in the end, to be memorable for a life time. Among others will be : Nick as the only and the last man standing at the FRC (both have been foreshadowed in prev episodes). . We shall see!  

To top that, i also believe wholeheartedly--as suggest by NR--that TIME has been main focused in Nian relationship (the sign of 'time' has been all over their LS edit). In the essence, they knew they cant control when the 'time' (to leave this world) come. So as they talked on their first date, its only the matter of decision. we chose to be together, NOT with anyone else and we'll work it out no matter what..so, why later?...... Isnt it soooo real and romantic?   IMO a wedding aka in Nick's term 'impending danger' in the horizon.   

All being said, i honestly can see you all on the PBnRW Thread!...   :sweetheart:   

PS: no worries, i could be wrong..until proven to be right (we’ll find out soon either way! ).
I have had tonz of fun and learned a lot with my sleuthing this season. And i have made a lot of awesome friends in y’all this season  . Thats all that matter to me. Like Nick, i feel that im a winner already!.. Thanks to this happy, inspiring place!..  

Mura, you are the queen of awesome.  Your summary and the way you support it with evidence, like Nick and Andi's love CAN NOT BE DENIED!!   
One thing to add: at the end of their epi 7 Dinant date, Andi is PI'ing that she can see Nick proposing at the end.  This is a MAJOR admission and not something she says about any other guy.

[sbolduc]

Little did I know that the Nick I photographed on a blustery afternoon last November would turn out to be the very same Nick taking so much flack on this season’s Bachelorette. I only recently discovered they were one in the same.

The second or third time I watched the show I mentioned to Katherine that one of the bachelors looked very familiar.

“That’s the guy,” I said, when Nick finally appeared on camera. ” I feel like I know him.”

Katherine looked up and practically spit her water out.

“That’s because you do know him. That’s the guy you photographed on Oak Street!!!”

“No it’s not” I answered.  “The guy I photographed was much bigger than that.”

“It’s him!” she insisted.

Then, to prove her point she pulled up the post I had done last November featuring Nick. Sure enough, she was right. It was indeed, Nick.

For the record, the Nick I met on that fall day was incredibly kind and extremely funny, nothing at all like he’s being portrayed on the show.

Not sure who Andi picks in tonight’s Bachelorette finale, but Nick made it into the top two. Will he get the final rose? Or will it be Josh? Rumors abound so I guess we’ll just have to tune in to find out who’ll be the last man standing.

http://marymurnane.com

wowzas this pic is smoking - I think it's my fav yet. An of course it's released on finale day... Yummmmmmmmm

What was he being photographed for?

[GuardianAngel]

Happy finale day! I hope everyone enjoys the show and know that the mods and I appreciate all your posts opinions IG S/caps Vids Tweets etc, keeping everyone informed on all the contestants!!

FYI - all discussion will remain in the epi thread as we have done all season. Once West coast is complete airing, the new Topic Thread Bachelorette 10 Andi and ?? Fan thread and Bachelorette 10 Andi and ?? General Discussion thread will be updated with the F1 name. All threads will open at that time!

Cheers!   

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