Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[ironcat]

Cari, I was doubled up with laughter while reading your post. I took it as Nick's voice and perspective, not as any of the posters or his fans. Sorry about his family tragedy, but it's two separate issues.

ITA with Lucas' post. Since none of us have experienced life in the bubble, we can't REALLY understand the bizarre way emotions may develop and be interpreted/acknowledged by the contestants. Andi's explanation of how she was in love with Josh all along but didn't know it, and meanwhile tried to find love with Nick makes no sense in the real world but may have made perfect sense in the bubble.

If people didn't engage in sex with partners who were more in love than they were, there'd be a LOT less sex. It's a worthy sentiment but I doubt it will ever catch on.

[Kashathediva]

Cari, I was doubled up with laughter while reading your post.  I took it as Nick's voice and perspective, not as any of the posters or his fans.  Sorry about his family tragedy, but it's two separate issues.

ITA with Lucas' post.  Since none of us have experienced life in the bubble, we can't REALLY understand the bizarre way emotions may develop and be interpreted/acknowledged by the contestants.  Andi's explanation of how she was in love with Josh all along but didn't know it, and meanwhile tried to find love with Nick makes no sense in the real world but may have made perfect sense in the bubble.

If people didn't engage in sex with partners who were more in love than they were, there'd be a LOT less sex.  It's a worthy sentiment but I doubt it will ever catch on.

This is a whole other topic of very interesting discussion! Very OT on my part, so I won't go on...
But can I just say I love a good debate!   

[Alanna]

Cari, you freaking hysterical letter, which just made me laugh again, reminded me of this letter, also from Nick's perspective that was retweeted from the gossip site Social Mess.

Dear Andi,

As I sit here carving your name into my arm and eating rose petals, I reflect back on our amazing journey that started a couple weeks ago when I got out of the limo and didn’t tip the driver. Actually, the moment I accidentally hacked into your Facebook prior to the show, I fell madly in love with you. Then, our two or three dates on the show allowed our hearts to melt into one. We kissed a few thousand times just like each of the other 25 guys, and I knew (herpes or no herpes) that we belonged together. Then you chose the better looking, more balanced, normal, non-annoying-as-poop guy that is not on lithium, Prozac and anti-dysentery meds like me. What happened, Andi?

Nothing in my life has felt more real than the love we shared. Not living with my mom, not having the same haircut as my mom, not sleeping in the same bed as my mom. I was happy with you, Andi. Real, real happy. HAPPY, ANDI. I WAS F*CKING HAPPY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? ARE YOU THERE? WHO IS THERE? MOM?

I think about the moment you said it wasn’t working with us. I think about how you said you woke up and didn’t feel right. You were sick, Andi. You probably had a virus and that is why you felt bad. You can take Bayer Aspirin and feel normal, Andi. I love Bayer Aspirin, Andi. Why don’t you spell your name with a Y, Andi?

I also think about the intensity we shared when we made sweet, semi-consensual love in the fantasy suite. I remember the passion in your eyes as I was tying you to the bed and duct taping your mouth. That night confirmed to me that you loved me. We joined as one that night. Me and you. You and the bed posts. You and my future child that I can only pray is growing inside you right now.

The bottom line is you made a mistake. You chose the wrong guy and I forgive you, Andi. It is time for you to come home. I’m outside your window when you are ready. Forever and always. Outside your window.

I love you,

Second place Nick

http://asocialmess.com/secret-letter-leaked-to-public/?utm_source=Issue+18:+Bachelorette,+Buckhead+Block+Party,+Craigslist&utm_campaign=Issue+18:+Bachelorette,+Buckhead+Block+Party,+Craigslist&utm_medium=email

[Lucas15]

Since none of us have experienced life in the bubble, we can't REALLY understand the bizarre way emotions may develop and be interpreted/acknowledged by the contestants. Andi's explanation of how she was in love with Josh all along but didn't know it, and meanwhile tried to find love with Nick makes no sense in the real world but may have made perfect sense in the bubble.

Inside the bubble we know that the lead is advised that "the process works if you let it" and to explore all potential relationships with an open mind as though they were the only relationship that exists; you need a backup in case your only choice get's cold feet at the end. It's more self-serving for the producers than altruistic advice for the lead, but it's still imprinted on the lead and (per CH) was specifically used in Andi's case.

In the real world most of us are only in one relationship at a time but in the bubble that's only true for a contestant; the lead is in many relationships at the same time and that difference, as they say, makes for a horse race.

[GuardianAngel]

semi-consensual love

Interesting choice of words.

Kelly Travis is a disgusting individual IMO.

[Alanna]

semi-consensual love

Interesting choice of words.

Kelly Travis is a disgusting individual IMO.

Yeah I know, I hate those types of sexual assault jokes but everything else in the letter made me LOL for realsies. Just to be clear though, Kelly didn't write it, the gossip site Social Mess did.

[ironcat]

semi-consensual love

Interesting choice of words.

Kelly Travis is a disgusting individual IMO.

Yeah I know, I hate those types of sexual assault jokes but everything else in the letter made me LOL for realsies. Just to be clear though, Kelly didn't write it, the gossip site Social Mess did.

I hate myself for laughing at this, but... So mean yet so funny.    :hidingchair 

Oh, Alanna, now the idea that Kelly actually wrote this and not just posted it will grow legs and be off to the races.   :WAVEY: 

[Alanna]

Interesting choice of words.

Kelly Travis is a disgusting individual IMO.

Yeah I know, I hate those types of sexual assault jokes but everything else in the letter made me LOL for realsies. Just to be clear though, Kelly didn't write it, the gossip site Social Mess did.

I hate myself for laughing at this, but... So mean yet so funny.    :hidingchair 

Oh, Alanna, now the idea that Kelly actually wrote this and not just posted it will grow legs and be off to the races.    :WAVEY: 

I know! I need to edit my post ASAP!

[Guest]

Nick supporter here coming out of lurkdom briefly... If Andi wanted her fairy tale with Joshie to be wrapped up in a neat little bow she had many opportunities to make a different decision along the way. She could have been more compassionate toward Nick and his heartbreak at the ATFR, where IMO she handled the F2 situation more poorly than any previous lead. Or better yet, she could have not slept with Nick in the fantasy suite knowing how he felt about it and leading him on for the umteenth time. Or better yet, given that she said in her most recent Jezebel interview that if Josh weren't there she wouldn't be engaged, she could have dragged some other poor sap to the F2 to make it a show. Marcus seems a good candidate since she was physically attracted to him and he apparently falls in, and out of, and in love again faster than a New York minute. She knew Nick's history of heartbreak and having a hard time letting it go and she took him anyway. Making any of these decisions differently would have resulted in a different post-show outcome for her and Josh.

Normally I wouldn't agree with what Nick revealed on ATFR but within the confines of this show and Andi's demeanor it was perfectly legitimate, IMO. The resulting name-calling that Andi has dealt with as a result says more about the people doing the name-calling than it does about her, just as the people calling Nick a murderer, pedophile, etc. says more about them than it does about him, and several pages of posts more than a week after the finale about who Nick is following on twitter and why says more about us (and I'm including me here) than it does about Nick.  :hidingchair 

I thought Nick's post in Sean's blog was very well written and there is nothing he did during the show or after that has changed my opinion that he is the same guy that Andi gushed over when she gave him the FIR. I, for one, am going to wish all parties well and move on. I've enjoyed reading everyone's various points of view, but after the winter from hell and the rainiest spring on record, the fact that I have spent most of the summer staring at my laptop reading about this ridiculous show and its cast members says something about me that I'm not too proud of. It's a beautiful day and I'm going to take my dog for a walk now...Cheers!  

[bleuberry]

Forever and always outside your window

[Cari]

*snipped*

I've enjoyed reading everyone's various points of view, but after the winter from hell and the rainiest spring on record, the fact that I have spent most of the summer staring at my laptop reading about this ridiculous show and its cast members says something about me that I'm not too proud of. It's a beautiful day and I'm going to take my dog for a walk now...Cheers!  

  

I know it's not a fitting sign because we're just a month apart when we joined the forum! Good post for your first post!    (and there's absolutely no sarcasm there! *hugs ) I super admire your self-control not to post! Amazing!

[Cari]

Forever and always outside your window

IKR?!   

Alanna! That was a laughtrip! i feel guilty for chuckling because it was a really "mean" letter!

And mine was not?!   

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