Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #5

[Guest]

I find that I get so invested in the Bachelorette. It has been a while since I was invested in the Bachelor. I usually don't care who the Bachelor chooses.

[Cecilia]

I find that I get so invested in the Bachelorette. It has been a while since I was invested in the Bachelor. I usually don't care who the Bachelor chooses.

This is me!! Because I haven't really ever liked The Bachelor.

[MonicaJM2001]

Me too. I joined the forum convinced that Nick couldn't be F1, without knowing about the video, but only basing it on the edit. Then the edit shifted (ep. 5-6). I saw the video. And of all the things I already thought of observing Nick's attitude, was that he is intelligent, wise man (thanks to the guys who, with all their rant about Nick being a good salesman, only confirmed my opinion), also very aware of himself (introspects), good analyzer of surroundings/situation/environment ... so the video "naivety" makes no sense to me. Add to that: extremely loud voice - consciously, a little giggle/laugh at one point - conscious of own statements, photos that I can't explain how could they be taken with absolutely no knowledge.
The fact that the video is such a game-changer for everyone and gives "proof" even to clues that would be otherwise discarded, makes me believe that the video does make part in the whole edit of the show. Whether you are "spoiled" or not, aware of the video or not.
I also feel that the "certainty" given to/by RS is creating difficulty to any other "ship" to voice their own conceptions, so that's one main reason I would love to see RS being wrong.
But I made peace with the video existence and I don't even care for all the clues going around. I focus on the development of the story and the edit ... and for now to me it speaks that Nick is F1. Then all the SM chatter is just fun, I like "getting to know" Nick more through it and to enjoy all the tweets&pics with you.

RS was 1000% certain last year that Brooks and Des were the final couple. I hung my hopes on that as well as the "clues" I then saw on SM to support it. Guess how I ended last season........  I have long thought that the show basically lets him get the complete correct spoilers during Bachelor, they don't seem to care. That way RS builds his confidence up and then they sock it to him with the Bachelorette.

[SueSt]

At the end of their mini one-one-one in Dinant, Andi PIs that she could see Nick proposing at the end.

At the end of Nick’s HTD Andi says: Having Nick’s mom and dad’s acceptance and blessing in all of this, does make me feel like allright, greenlight, family’s onboard, let’s keep going, let’s move forward with this.

At the end of their FD Andi says: I don’t know how to describe it ‘cause I never felt this way before. It’s once in a lifetime type of stuff.

So to summarize - all the way back in Belgium we saw Andi say she could see Nick proposing at the end. After hometowns where she got Nick’s parents support, on FDs she is saying she never felt this way before and what she feels is once-in a-lifetime type stuff.

To use Mura’s phrase…  :WAVEY: does this mean the girl is Dunzo???     

[Guest]

Me too. I joined the forum convinced that Nick couldn't be F1, without knowing about the video, but only basing it on the edit. Then the edit shifted (ep. 5-6). I saw the video. And of all the things I already thought of observing Nick's attitude, was that he is intelligent, wise man (thanks to the guys who, with all their rant about Nick being a good salesman, only confirmed my opinion), also very aware of himself (introspects), good analyzer of surroundings/situation/environment ... so the video "naivety" makes no sense to me. Add to that: extremely loud voice - consciously, a little giggle/laugh at one point - conscious of own statements, photos that I can't explain how could they be taken with absolutely no knowledge.
The fact that the video is such a game-changer for everyone and gives "proof" even to clues that would be otherwise discarded, makes me believe that the video does make part in the whole edit of the show. Whether you are "spoiled" or not, aware of the video or not.
I also feel that the "certainty" given to/by RS is creating difficulty to any other "ship" to voice their own conceptions, so that's one main reason I would love to see RS being wrong.
But I made peace with the video existence and I don't even care for all the clues going around. I focus on the development of the story and the edit ... and for now to me it speaks that Nick is F1. Then all the SM chatter is just fun, I like "getting to know" Nick more through it and to enjoy all the tweets&pics with you.

RS was 1000% certain last year that Brooks and Des were the final couple. I hung my hopes on that as well as the "clues" I then saw on SM to support it. Guess how I ended last season........  I have long thought that the show basically lets him get the complete correct spoilers during Bachelor, they don't seem to care. That way RS builds his confidence up and then they sock it to him with the Bachelorette.

I concur all especially the bolded  . Note that on Bach season, with no foiler scheme, TPTB need to hide the F1 on the preview and on the main epis (SeanCat, JP-Nikki as an example). I remember how folks convinced that Chris couldnt be the F1 just because his infamous rolling on the sand with Des on several previews.  :cutesmile!: . Not too far fetched with this season where Nick was all over the preview and the main episodes.   . Call me crazy   . I definitely think this is the 'trade-off' they should made: play along with the foiler scheme in order the wuv story can be unfold comprehensively.  :halo: 

[Guest]

At the end of their mini one-one-one in Dinant, Andi PIs that she could see Nick proposing at the end.

At the end of Nick’s HTD Andi says:  Having Nick’s mom and dad’s acceptance and blessing in all of this, does make me feel like allright, greenlight, family’s onboard, let’s keep going, let’s move forward with this.

At the end of their FD Andi says: I don’t know how to describe it ‘cause I never felt this way before.  It’s once in a lifetime type of stuff.

So to summarize - all the way back in Belgium we saw Andi say she could see Nick proposing at the end.  After hometowns where she got Nick’s parents support, on FDs she is saying she never felt this way before and what she feels is once-in a-lifetime type stuff.  

To use Mura’s phrase…  :WAVEY: does this mean the girl is Dunzo???     

Hi Sue dear!...absofreakinlutely...Dunzo..Nutso...and Gone gaga....    . Poor girl!   

this is right up my alley about the 'link' between the Eric Effect and Nick and his wuv story. TPTB -after HTD--a point when Eric's death was informed---give Nian some freedom to voice the wuv story in their own powerful words..... Note that over Josh and Chris Andi mostly using more generic, non-personal words: any girl would be happy around him; he could be a great husband and father figure..yada...yada...

actually in the end of  her FD VO above : It’s once in a lifetime type of stuff...she added..i feel very lucky to have met someone like Nick. and before that..."i feel save and hopeful" . Note that she used the 'i feel hopeful' in the end of her Venice date with Nick as well   

I couldnt recall any Bachette season where -if we observe closely-the lead's VOs and PIs are so powerful over one of the F2 ..while for the other, not so much, like this season. On Em's season, where there was no foiler..she has used same strong words both for Arie and Jef  :shocked!: . as an Arie fan, i remember it bugged me so much that she used the word : 'I can see you in the end of the tunnel' ... :shootme: . I am super glad Pookie was not using strong words toward Josh..just bc simply..ding..ding...ding....Josh mostly the one who narrated their date, esp in the end of the date(ep 5, 7, FD)  :whistle: . Hello!!  Sean Lowe 2.0!   . And even if she did, again , she used more generic, typical Fleissian words, such as : this is the day i will never forget, i will have this day forever, etc   
Boy!! it speaks volume on how terrific, great the mega foiler sheme, huh? that TPTB dont mind to put Andi's 'investment' in her quest with Nick front and centre. Not complaining !   .( unfortunately i realized its a trade off that i should made as well as the fan of the wuv story : to deal with all of the mega foiler scheme in return..  :shootme: )

a great thing about all of this is : the great wuv story will still be there on the motion picture, for them to cherish forever and as a wonderful legacy for their offspring  (and oh..i have no doubt that these 2 will make it to the aisle (sooner than later most likely)   )

[SueSt]

At the end of their mini one-one-one in Dinant, Andi PIs that she could see Nick proposing at the end.

At the end of Nick’s HTD Andi says:  Having Nick’s mom and dad’s acceptance and blessing in all of this, does make me feel like allright, greenlight, family’s onboard, let’s keep going, let’s move forward with this.

At the end of their FD Andi says: I don’t know how to describe it ‘cause I never felt this way before.  It’s once in a lifetime type of stuff.

So to summarize - all the way back in Belgium we saw Andi say she could see Nick proposing at the end.  After hometowns where she got Nick’s parents support, on FDs she is saying she never felt this way before and what she feels is once-in a-lifetime type stuff.  

To use Mura’s phrase…  :WAVEY: does this mean the girl is Dunzo???     

Hi Sue dear!...absofreakinlutely...Dunzo..Nutso...and Gone gaga....    . Poor girl!   

this is right up my alley about the 'link' between the Eric Effect and Nick and his wuv story. TPTB -after HTD--a point when Eric's death was informed---give Nian some freedom to voice the wuv story in their own powerful words..... Note that over Josh and Chris Andi mostly using more generic, non-personal words: any girl would be happy around him; he could be a great husband and father figure..yada...yada...

actually in the end of  her FD VO above : It’s once in a lifetime type of stuff...she added..i feel very lucky to have met someone like Nick. and before that..."i feel save and hopeful" . Note that she used the 'i feel hopeful' in the end of her Venice date with Nick as well   

I couldnt recall any Bachette season where -if we observe closely-the lead's VOs and PIs are so powerful over one of the F2 ..while for the other, not so much, like this season. On Em's season, where there was no foiler..she has used same strong words both for Arie and Jef  :shocked!: . as an Arie fan, i remember it bugged me so much that she used the word : 'I can see you in the end of the tunnel' ... :shootme: . I am super glad Pookie was not using strong words toward Josh..just bc simply..ding..ding...ding....Josh mostly the one who narrated their date, esp in the end of the date(ep 5, 7, FD)  :whistle: . Hello!!  Sean Lowe 2.0!   . Boy!! it speaks volume on how terrific, great the mega foiler sheme, huh? that TPTB dont mind to put Andi's 'investment' in her quest with Nick front and centre. Not complaining !   .( unfortunately i realized its a trade off that i should made as well as the fan of the wuv story : to deal with all of the mega foiler scheme in return..  :shootme: )

a great thing about all of this is : the great wuv story will still be there on the motion picture, for them to cherish forever and as a wonderful legacy for their offspring  (and oh..i have no doubt that these 2 will make it to the aisle (sooner than later most likely)   )

Thanks for all the positivity Mura. I really really appreciate your unwavering support for N&A   and of course all of the great nuggets and experience you are able to share which supports your feelings!

The point about Josh narrating the end of the last couple of episodes is well taken. I guess by comparison, they couldn't have Andi narrate about Josh since it would stand out in comparison to what she says about Nick... the difference in her feelings would be too obvious.

I not only think they will make it down the aisle sooner than later, I'm pretty sure Andi will be pregnant soon as well. Nick is going to be 34 in September; I don't think they will want to put off trying for too long!!

On a side note: do you think TPTB will expose/discuss the foiler at any point?

[philphan]

For those longtime viewers...

Was talking to a friend who has watched the show as long as I have (Alex and Amanda!!).
She said that in some ways Andi's season reminds her of Trista and Ryan's season. Although he got a better edit than Nick, Ryan was the kind, passionate, poetic "unknown" kind of guy for Trista while Charlie was the type of guy she usually dated. Most viewers definitely thought she was going to choose Charlie in the end and we know how that ended up!!
Is this another season where the "less obvious" one is the F1??

[Cecilia]

Monday arrives and I could not be less excited for the Men Tell All! No Nick on our screen I wish it was the finale tonight!

[Guest]

Thanks for all the positivity Mura.  I really really appreciate your unwavering support for N&A   and of course all of the great nuggets and experience you are able to share which supports your feelings!

The point about Josh narrating the end of the last couple of episodes is well taken.  I guess by comparison, they couldn't have Andi narrate about Josh since it would stand out in comparison to what she says about Nick... the difference in her feelings would be too obvious.

I not only think they will make it down the aisle sooner than later, I'm pretty sure Andi will be pregnant soon as well.  Nick is going to be 34 in September; I don't think they will want to put off trying for too long!!

On a side note: do you think TPTB will expose/discuss the foiler at any point?

hey!..likewise..its been an honor to cherish this heavenly place with fellow poor spoiled F2-fans..eventhough..im guessing...the coming 7 days will be heavenly 'hell' for us    

you could be right about the obvious thing as well, i guess   .   to the preggo comment!       

to your foiler Q : umm i dont think so..i mean, average viewers accounted for how many?..like 7-8 millions? and how many of them are reading the cocky blogger spoilers?..500 k at most?...just going with the Stat,,,.its quite unsignificant to address perhaps...but then again,IMO when it comes to this crazy show and the creator, MF... who has bizarre sense of humor,.. anything can happen  

[stuckinsc]

Monday arrives and I could not be less excited for the Men Tell All! No Nick on our screen I wish it was the finale tonight!

I know, the Men Tell Nothing is just a waste of a week for me. Give me the finale and BiP, I need to make fun of people!

[2observe]

Hand talk:

Did anyone mention how Andi has her hand on the onside of his thigh and how his hand gets loss in her lap?

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