Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #5

[MVMom39forever]

Has this been posted? Sorry if I missed it...

Andi favorited this..

Lauren @scorpio_lo  ·  Jul 7
I can finally share my candid pic of Andi loving milwaukee!!! @AndiDorfman #TheBachelorette


(Look at the hairdo behind Andi  ) This girl is sitting across the table so she must be one of Nick's friend, so I went to her account and saw that Lauren favorited this by a friend of hers:

Jennifer N @JenNitch5053  ·  Jul 7
@AndiDorfman @viallnicholas28 by a landslide! Dream guy

this tweet has since been deleted from Jennifer's but remains in the favorites for Lauren.

Jennifer favorited these:

Dana Weiss @Possessionista  ·  Jul 14
Sorry, I still think she should pick Nick. #TheBachelorette

Brian Osborne @Coach_Osborne  ·  Jul 14
@viallnicholas28 "yea...no I'm down!"  best line yet.

Holly Julian @HollyDurst  ·  Jul 14
Nick is right up my alley with this book! #TheBachelorette #HesStillMyFav

Sean Lowe @SeanLowe09  ·  Jul 14
Actually impressed with the illustration in Nick's book. Nothing funny about that. #TheBachelorette

Great work! Let's add to our Nick is F1 list.

[black_tears]

I agree about CH blog, he was basically saying that Josh wasn't the right choice.  Usually CH props up the F1 in his blogs. We saw this is Des' season, where Brooks was the spoiled F1, but CH was very skeptical of Brooks, and said some very unflattering things about him.  While CH has not been all out mean to Josh, he has said that "Josh feels right even when it's not."   He knows the outcome, and it seems like hinting that Josh isn't the F1.  I get that CH job is to create doubt, but in the past, the only spoiled F1 he has been this skeptical about was Brooks, and it just so happened that Brooks wasn't the F1.

There is a lot of evidence that Nick is the F1, as described above.  As I stated above Nick looks and sounds very happy, Josh does not seem happy, at least per his SM posts.  Which is why I believe Nick is the F1, contrary to the spoilers.

I am way behind here, its been a busy couple weeks for me, but what makes us think this?

Someone posted Josh's tweets a while back, but don't know which thread it's in.  You should be able to go to Twitter and read them.  Nick's seems optimistic and happy, and Josh, not so much, but just IMO.

Off to read,   

[SueSt]

Someone posted Josh's tweets a while back, but don't know which thread it's in.  You should be able to go to Twitter and read them.  Nick's seems optimistic and happy, and Josh, not so much, but just IMO.

pretty sure this was emusha, RR.

[MVMom39forever]

Haha, I'll have my iPhone ready!

You go girlfriend! Then Send it RS as soon as you land  

[sdmom]

I just tweeted to Nick that I was eating Cheetos at the airport in honor of him, and he faved it        
I wish I knew what he thought about that dang video.

    

That's why I love Nick!

[Guest]

Has this been posted? Sorry if I missed it...

Andi favorited this..

Lauren @scorpio_lo  ·  Jul 7
I can finally share my candid pic of Andi loving milwaukee!!! @AndiDorfman #TheBachelorette


(Look at the hairdo behind Andi  ) This girl is sitting across the table so she must be one of Nick's friend, so I went to her account and saw that Lauren favorited this by a friend of hers:

Jennifer N @JenNitch5053  ·  Jul 7
@AndiDorfman @viallnicholas28 by a landslide! Dream guy

this tweet has since been deleted from Jennifer's but remains in the favorites for Lauren.

Jennifer favorited these:

Dana Weiss @Possessionista  ·  Jul 14
Sorry, I still think she should pick Nick. #TheBachelorette

Brian Osborne @Coach_Osborne  ·  Jul 14
@viallnicholas28 "yea...no I'm down!"  best line yet.

Holly Julian @HollyDurst  ·  Jul 14
Nick is right up my alley with this book! #TheBachelorette #HesStillMyFav

Sean Lowe @SeanLowe09  ·  Jul 14
Actually impressed with the illustration in Nick's book. Nothing funny about that. #TheBachelorette

Great work! Let's add to our Nick is F1 list.

I don't know if it's all that great, because as jc pointed out, it's not from the person directly across from her.
Somewhere on here are comparison pics of Nick and his brother and the discussion of whether or not it could have been his brother. I don't think it could be. It's probably in the plane thread.

Here are a few things that maybe should be added:

The question to Bella about taking her as a sister.
Her calling Nick "sensitive" in an interview while only giving the other guys "hot"

maybe...
The OFF can that Andi tweeted. (foiler-too obvious. Was the OFF can tweeted before or after Josh was spotted in the Cancun airport?)

Great job mvmom!

[emad0722]

I just tweeted to Nick that I was eating Cheetos at the airport in honor of him, and he faved it        
I wish I knew what he thought about that dang video.

    

That's why I love Nick!

uggghhh same self deprecating humor is the best!!!

[rosesrREd]

Has this been posted? Sorry if I missed it...

Andi favorited this..

Lauren @scorpio_lo  ·  Jul 7
I can finally share my candid pic of Andi loving milwaukee!!! @AndiDorfman #TheBachelorette


(Look at the hairdo behind Andi  ) This girl is sitting across the table so she must be one of Nick's friend, so I went to her account and saw that Lauren favorited this by a friend of hers:

Jennifer N @JenNitch5053  ·  Jul 7
@AndiDorfman @viallnicholas28 by a landslide! Dream guy

this tweet has since been deleted from Jennifer's but remains in the favorites for Lauren.

Jennifer favorited these:

Dana Weiss @Possessionista  ·  Jul 14
Sorry, I still think she should pick Nick. #TheBachelorette

Brian Osborne @Coach_Osborne  ·  Jul 14
@viallnicholas28 "yea...no I'm down!"  best line yet.

Holly Julian @HollyDurst  ·  Jul 14
Nick is right up my alley with this book! #TheBachelorette #HesStillMyFav

Sean Lowe @SeanLowe09  ·  Jul 14
Actually impressed with the illustration in Nick's book. Nothing funny about that. #TheBachelorette

Great work! Let's add to our Nick is F1 list.

I don't know if it's all that great, because as jc pointed out, it's not from the person directly across from her.
Somewhere on here are comparison pics of Nick and his brother and the discussion of whether or not it could have been his brother. I don't think it could be. It's probably in the plane thread.

Here are a few things that maybe should be added:

The question to Bella about taking her as a sister.
Her calling Nick "sensitive" in an interview while only giving the other guys "hot"

maybe...
The OFF can that Andi tweeted. (foiler-too obvious. Was the OFF can tweeted before or after Josh was spotted in the Cancun airport?)

Great job mvmom!

I know in the past we have been able to GPS where pictures were taken. I wonder if this can be done with the picture of Nick disheveled and topless?

[SueSt]

Just rewatched the preview and found the difference between what Nick and Josh say at the MTP very telling.

Nick says to Andi’s mom: I know that Andi’s it for me. I mean I love her in ways I never thought I’d love someone before

Josh says to Andi’s dad: I’m in love with Andi 100%. I’m totally in love with her.

To me these declarations highlight the difference between Nick and Josh; Nick is providing a context and depth for his statement, comparing his feelings for Andi to feelings of love he’s had in the past. ( I love her in ways I never thought I’d love someone before) vs. Josh who is just stating his current state of mind (I’m totally in love with her).

It’s very subtle but to me underscores how much richer Nick’s declaration is… I wonder if Andi/her parents will notice. I sure did!   

[MonicaJM2001]

Nick FANS ... here's why I think Nick is final one ...

- Nick posting and removing two photos of him on IG soon after returning: 1) messy haired, bare chested looking to side (like he just woke up during SH visit) and 2) one of the ones on red bench/earpiece showing  

- Tweet from Nick's dad about favorite scene from Princess Bride re: inconceivable w/hashtag #TeamNick. Now his Princess Bride references takes on bigger relevance considering Nick's story book for Princess Andi!

- Andi and Nick's tweets about red wine and peanut butter; calling Bella (whom Andi said could be a future lawyer) "little peanut." So does that mean Nick's code name is "red wine" and Andi's is "peanut butter." Well, according to Andi, they go great together.

- Andi saying in very recent interviews that she wanted to Shout her pick; Nick posting Shout song ... this was too blatant of him to tweet so I bet ABC PR team told him to pull back. Notice that Nick's newer tweets are back to being mixed messages? I need hug ...

- Plane video weirdness ... and isn't there the ever so slight possibility that guy in video could be Nick's look alike brother with an earpiece who just so happened to be absent from the HTD but they flashed his picture on wall. I know we saw a photo of one of Nick's brothers here and we all thought it was Nick.

- The entire season ... Nick getting more time with Andi than any former winner ... First impression rose, GDR ep 4, solo date on ep 3/6, secret time Brussels, "most important rose of season" per Andi with rose going into HTD ... her frequent references to "mental/emotional/intellectual/passion/chemistry" etc.

- Meet her dad's expectations ... we all know how critical her dad was that Andi didn't get much time with JP so you can bet he is going to expect that his daughter gives her F1 loads of time/attention.

- Did anyone listen to last AfterBuzz Bachelorette recap? Danny Hoyt mentions that he has exchanged about 10 DMs w/Nick for past 2 weeks and then later (about 27 minutes in) he briefly mentions that he got a couple of snapchats during MTA taping weekend, which is when both Nick and Andi were in LA. Both JC and Cathy asked Danny to say more and he just said, "Nope!" Danny is 100 percent Team Nick for F1. This mention is so subtle and happens so fast that it's easy to miss. Listen for it!

- Andi resigned from job - which she claimed to LOVE. Yes, she kept door open for possible rehire in December. But wouldn't she have to say that in letter to keep the foiler going? And, wouldn't she have to resign if she was going to start looking for jobs in Chicago, which BTW is about 1 1/2 hour plane ride from her family in Atlanta so nice and close.

- ALL this noise now about Josh being F1 ... too loud!

- RS getting way too many clues falling into his lap ... too easy!

- And, FINALLY, what really convinces me is Chris Harrison's last blog  

CHRIS BLOG ...

"Josh is her type, he’s the comfortable choice she’s fallen for many times during her life. This obviously hasn’t worked out so well in the past and that’s why she’s been so worried about this relationship and so skeptical of Josh all along. She’s worried about making the same old mistake. But the problem with the “comfort zone” is it’s so darn comfortable. It just feels right even if it’s not.”

“Nick, on the other hand is the unknown, the road or “rose” less traveled. Nick is the kind of relationship and guy I think Andi aspires to be with. A guy she’s never really given herself a chance to fall for. Nick is a guy who will challenge her and push her in ways she’s never known before. The problem with the “road less traveled” guy is at the end of the day when the pressure is on, can Andi really pull the trigger and choose this different lifestyle?"

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The "problem" that Chris sets up with Andi picking Josh is negative towards the type of relationship Josh offers ... a "mistake."

Whereas "the problem" that Chris sets up with Andi picking Nick is really all about Andi ... "can SHE pull the trigger"? ... is SHE strong enough ... did SHE grow from experience ABC offered her?

Unless ABC is going to start throwing Andi under the bus (and I don't see why at this stage), Fleiss & Co wants to present Andi as someone very capable of pulling the trigger!

Shoot, they showed us lots of footage of Andi pulling triggers in Juan Pablo's season so we know YES, she can shoot to win.

Andi has been a good soldier for ABC all season. Chris has called her one of the smartest Bachelorettes ever. They are not going to show her in a bad light at this stage and making a decision that Chris H referenced as being a mistake.

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So, that's all I got. What did I miss?

TeamNick ... F1 on July 28 ... KABOOM!

      thank you for such an amazing post!!!!!!!! I completely agree with all of the points you made as to why it is very believeable that Nick is F1. I was going to write something out similar with all my thoughts on why but you saved my fingers some typing and described it perfectly! I remember last year Chris H was always throwing shade on my Bres in his blogs and it was so discouraging but I kept hoping it meant nothing but then it actually did. I hope for this year the same thing applies because CH is definitely not propping up F1 Josh/Andi as a feel good/ awe inspiring ending. I mean no matter what the ending is, CH has basically said in the blog that Nick is who Andi aspires to be with and should be with and basically says that picking Josh means going with the comfort zone even if it isn't right. He seems to think very highly of Andi as Bachelorette so it is going to be pretty weird if Andi does choose Josh based on the above sentiments. From what he blogged, it seems it comes down to if Andi is brave enough to pull the trigger and go with the different but once in a lifetime connection vs same old same old. My guess is she did pop the cork and open that yet new yet exciting bottle of red wine.......  :Woah-hoo:

I agree about CH blog, he was basically saying that Josh wasn't the right choice.  Usually CH props up the F1 in his blogs. We saw this is Des' season, where Brooks was the spoiled F1, but CH was very skeptical of Brooks, and said some very unflattering things about him.  While CH has not been all out mean to Josh, he has said that "Josh feels right even when it's not."   He knows the outcome, and it seems like hinting that Josh isn't the F1.  I get that CH job is to create doubt, but in the past, the only spoiled F1 he has been this skeptical about was Brooks, and it just so happened that Brooks wasn't the F1.

There is a lot of evidence that Nick is the F1, as described above.  As I stated above Nick looks and sounds very happy, Josh does not seem happy, at least per his SM posts.  Which is why I believe Nick is the F1, contrary to the spoilers.

I've noticed that too. I don't get a depressed F2 trying to cope with heartache vibe from him at all, which is a great sign no matter how you look at it in that whatever happened, he seems to be in great spirits. Of course it is hard to believe this guy and his demeanor could simultaneously co-exist with the alleged "tried to get Andi back post show after being dumped by her guy" that is being painted in the media. That doesn't jive with his overall happy outlook he seems to have.

[MVMom39forever]

I agree about CH blog, he was basically saying that Josh wasn't the right choice.  Usually CH props up the F1 in his blogs. We saw this is Des' season, where Brooks was the spoiled F1, but CH was very skeptical of Brooks, and said some very unflattering things about him.  While CH has not been all out mean to Josh, he has said that "Josh feels right even when it's not."   He knows the outcome, and it seems like hinting that Josh isn't the F1.  I get that CH job is to create doubt, but in the past, the only spoiled F1 he has been this skeptical about was Brooks, and it just so happened that Brooks wasn't the F1.

There is a lot of evidence that Nick is the F1, as described above.  As I stated above Nick looks and sounds very happy, Josh does not seem happy, at least per his SM posts.  Which is why I believe Nick is the F1, contrary to the spoilers.

I am way behind here, its been a busy couple weeks for me, but what makes us think this?

Well, I just spent way TOO much time looking at Nick, Andi and Josh Twitter accounts for patterns. I also looked at Elan's account as well but he posts SO MUCH that hard to make heads/tails so just posted a few things that made me go hmmm.  I am not going to include EVERY tweet about show as Andi tweets quite a bit of promotional stuff. Josh tweets a lot about sports. Nick tweets more dry/witty plus with his Bachelor buds. The only guy whom Josh seems to be tweeting with is Marcus. Here's what I found that could be relevant ...

Week of May 12-18

Nick, Andi
No tweets

Josh - (4 inspirational tweets upon returning)
-Ask and it will be given to you; search, and you will find; knock and the door will be opened for you. –Jesus
-Act as if what you do makes a difference. It does. -William James
-Draw close to God, and God will draw close to you. -James 4:8a
-I hated every minute of training, but I said, 'Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.' -Muhammad Ali

Elan - (kinda/sorta made me think he was talking to RS here ...)
- Success is good but watching people you don't like fail is truly excellent – May 17
- The best revenge is living well. And murder- May 17
- Rooms without Roofs don’t have hands! Don’t do it! it’s a trap! – May 13

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Week of May 19-25 (ep 1)

Nick -
“Loved seeing a gospel choir at catholic mass today”

Josh -
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -Gandhi

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Week of May 26-June1 (ep 2)

Nick -
- Nothing better than Chicago summers.
- Love catching up with great people

Josh -
- Live without excuses. Dwell on what you can do. Shake off self-pity & concentrate on being everything you were created to be.
- Back to Back episodes of #TheBachelorette starting tonight at 8 ... WARNING: I'm not a professional singer
- Stripping for CHARITY ... Talk about being out of my comfort zone hahaha
- Be sure to watch The Bachelorette tonight, but don't make too much fun of me

[MVMom39forever]

Continued ...
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Week of June 2-8 - ep 3 and 4

Nick -
-Truly blessed to have gotten to know Eric. A truly genuine and passion man who lived life to the fullest. He will be missed #TheBachelorette”
- How many people can say they finished an entire tub of Chapstick before losing it? Now I can!…” (photo)
- If you never as a child jumped from couch cushion to couch cushion to avoid the lava....well then you never had a child hood.”
- Life is a mystery, not a problem to be solved. (RETWEET)

Josh -
-Boyz II Men group, voices of angels!  Hahahaha or NOT
- Live without excuses. Dwell on what you can do. Shake off self-pity & concentrate on being everything you were created to be. (RETWEET)

Elan
- "People who post inspirational quotes are rarely inspiring" June 5
“- Wrong and Loud often go hand in hand” June 3

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Week of June 9-15 ep 5 recap

Nick -
- Back in town”(14th)
- Enjoying the view and the weather after a long weekend. #chicagosummers
- Live in the moment, follow your heart, have a chocolate malt once in a while
- There are two types of people in this world. People who love the song "Call Me Maybe" and those who pretend to hate it

Andi
- So can I not use this then if I’m not with my family” June 14th (note: similar timing to when Josh spotted on flight to Cancun ... but note that Nick tweeted "back in town" also on 14th.)

Josh -
- Stop wishing. Start doing.
- Wow, just got slammed out of nowhere with requests on snapchat today ... Sorry guys, I love making new friends but just not on that app
- 'Don't think of the things you didn't get after praying. Think of the countless blessings God gave you without asking.' #Thankful#Blessed
- A pretentious, showy life is an empty life; a plain and simple life is a full life.  -Rick Warren
- 'Those who follow the crowd usually get lost in it. I don't know all the keys to success, but one key 2 failure is 2 try 2 please everyone.'

Elan
- The most intimate thing you can share with another person is your iPhone passcode
- Quite frankly you probably shouldn't put any of your eggs in a basket

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Week of June 16-22 ep 6 Marseille

Nick -
- Delicious, but a bit too #salty #TheBachelorette”
- Top Gun is on TV. This day is getting better and better! #winning
- If you have a whole bottle of red wine. You'll end up with purple teeth. Now I know.#TheBachelorette
- #tbt goes out to this little cutie who decided it would be funny to sign me up for some show.#BF (photo: BFF w/ wedding dress)

Andi
- Andi tweets the photo from Suave commercial with Catherine & Des - she in middle pointing finger like gun (PULLING TRIGGER!)
- Seriously how has josh not gotten picked up in 5 years? Ladies?!? #TheBachelorette
- So the crowd wasn't quite digging us (referring to Mime date)

Josh -
-A new episode of The Bachelorette comes on tonight at 8 ... I'm sick of being a groupie, can I get a 1 on 1 please #TheBachelorette
- Yep, that really happened, a bird crapped on me
- Love my boy Cody Sattler, tell it how it is brother #alwaysthankfulandblessed #respect
- He is a wise man who does not grieve for the things which he has not, but rejoices for those which he has.  -Epictetus   #BeAlwaysGrateful
- Quit making excuses, dwelling on what you don’t have or why you can’t do something great. You’ve got everything you need

Elan
- I would use Snapchat if it made people disappear forever after ten seconds

Note: this is week that Chris Harrison posted photo of Andi looking at magazine with wedding dress on cover.

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Week of June 23-29 ep 7 Venice

Nick -
- “1 on 1 in Venice tonight! Not sure if I deserved it, but I'll take it. One of the most memorable days…”
- The bachelorette bubble. Where grabbing the girl you like first can be a serious offense. #TheBachelorette #likelivingonmars
- You hate the people you don't know, you don't know them because you hate them." Love, love, love
- Even win we lose, we win!!! #merica #worldcup
- For a good laugh, most of the time, you should just have to look in the mirror. #laughatyourself
- Most weekends I'm reminded that I am not as good of a dancer as I want to believe I am. #wishfulthinking #wishicoulddougie @Coach_Osborne

Josh -
- Yeah, ummmmmm I'm never wearing a scarf again, no more listening to people BAHAHAHAHA absolutely horrible

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