Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #4

[notarose]

Thought the above peeps belong in the Nick fan thread  

[Guest]

:WAVEY: Mura

Always wonderful to read your detailed posts.    We are so fortunate to have a super sleuth like you in our midst to gather up all the little things and move us forward in creating a bigger picture.

    

yes to the all the little things . I was and still am amazed on how much time ive spent to gather these 'crumbs' both for Prince Siegfried and Prince Viall two years in a row. And by 'amazed' i meant :       . TPTB really only give us subtle little clues for the spoiled F2 (who is the actual F1 ) !. Never failed :bigsigh: 

On a bright note, this season is almost over.  I'm super happy, beyond glad and excited with the one and only Love Story I've focused on. I get a feeling it will worth the ending   .

Likewise, NR....Its been a great pleasure and honor to share this season with you all Nick Nation residents. I have learned a lot from you all as well.

[fabgirl]

Andi is a very smart young lady and I admire her even more because she is looking at the heart of Nick, many viewers are pairing her with others because of looks, lifestyle,and etc. What she has with Nick is rare and special. Nick has made this season worth watching. Reading Des blog yesterday was very refreshing on her view of each final three. Can someone post her part about Nick and Andi. Des is very honest in her blog and most of all unbias. Andi started developing strong feeling for Nick from episode 3 and their  relationship has intensified each episode and have exploded into something special and breathtaking. Nick is  genuine, rare,  intellectual, and handsome.I finally got a chance to watch episode 9 and I saw one of the most amazing connections, the storybook was very heartfelt and she seemed tearful when under the tree. I can't see anyone else in the end but Nick, why ask him if he is skeptical about the process and believer to only break his heart, I DON'T THINK SO. No one has receive as much time, roses, kisses, passion, and words of endearment as Nick. These two balance one another. The rose each time solidifies their connection and the final rose will finalize their love connection.
LOVE IS ALL THAT MATTERS

[GuardianAngel]

Is anyone keeping track of clues as to why you think Nick is the F1? If so do you want a thread for that. It will be a no discussion thread. Use the quote to add your clues??

[Guest]

http://www.desireehartsock.com/the-bachelorette-overnight-dates/

here we go fabgirl

There are two really strong and very different relationships formed in Nick and in Josh.

Nick and Andi were able to spend some quality time hanging out on their own private beach (The best!) and I’m not going to lie, I really like these two together as I’m seeing the connection and chemistry transpire. She had an instant connection with Nick that first night and it’s telling to see that the connection has continued. So often the initial ‘connection’ is typically just an attraction that can fade after the first few weeks. If you are thinking about a husband and someone that will be with you for life then you definitely want to have a mental connection, someone who understands you completely and someone who is passionate. Those qualities are lasting and the exact things Andi said she feels about Nick.

I found Nick to be charming and sweet on this date and I like the fact that he says he learned a lot from his last breakup and is ok with giving Andi his all regardless of the outcome. That is the only way the process can work and for Andi to find out who she really needs in her life. Nick’s love for Andi is apparent in the way that he looks at her. Andi mentioned a couple times that their relationship felt like an ‘adult romance’ and well, to me that is what a lasting marriage looks like. Yes, you can have fun and be goofy (that keeps the passion alive) but as for getting through differences or being able to discuss important milestones there has to be a maturity and an openness in both to understand where each other are coming from.

Sometimes emotional connections we feel can be confusing because they do not look like or feel like the connections of attraction that most relationships start on. They are definitely a more important type of connection though, needed for a lasting love. Infatuation can be debilitating in a relationship after a few years because attraction can overpower emotional growth at times. This is where the mind and the heart battle each other.

Anyways, Nick’s story book was adorable and very thoughtful. It was his way of sharing his feelings and how much he cares for her. I do wish he just came right out and said that he loved her but it’s hard to be in the men’s shoes because they know that she can’t reciprocate those words.

[mprssdbyu]

Andi: "I feel hopeful and safe and I feel like when Nick looks at me he sees every part of me; my heart,my mind, my soul. I don't know how to describe it because I've never felt that way before. It's a once in a lifetime type of stuff. I feel very lucky that I've met somebody like Nick."

I'm on and off these days ... so forgive me if I missed the same reply but when Andi says "she feels Nick can see all of her(which includes her heart)"....and Nick has said he can feel their emotions for each other growing and growing...(that's why he's so sure and has said more than once...they are one... no connection like theirs....that tells me all I need to know. LOL,  Andi spilled the beans  herself with that description of Nick. Game over.  

[Guest]

Is anyone keeping track of clues as to why you think Nick is the F1? If so do you want a thread for that. It will be a no discussion thread. Use the quote to add your clues??

thanks for your kind offer, GA. 

this is only my personal take based on my experience last year : we back then on Chrisville, could never found 'smoking gun' clues to conjecture Chris as the F1, if such clues what were looking for. Only subtle clues here and there...to make a big picture. Until after the fact, we literally only follows the 'crumbs'. Yeah, TPTB is that good to keep the actual F1 under wrapped nicely as the spoiled F2. .

I found it applied to Nick this season as well :shocked!: . I would think we have had many great discussions here, for our own retrospective reference later, after the fact. All is good.   . I'll let others weigh in though   

[SueSt]

Andi: "I feel hopeful and safe and I feel like when Nick looks at me he sees every part of me; my heart,my mind, my soul. I don't know how to describe it because I've never felt that way before. It's a once in a lifetime type of stuff. I feel very lucky that I've met somebody like Nick."

Thanks for posting this clip Julychild. I watched the end of the FD again this morning ... and actually got caught on 'safe'.
This is a girl who's boyfriend cheated on her... so safe is probably core to what she needs.
Glad to hear her say Nick makes her feel safe... Very important for any relationship, but particularly for Andi.

[Cecilia]

What is a PBS hostess   

I am thinking this is a hostess of a PBS tv station?  Maybe, not sure.

Yes. sorry, here is the picture:

whitney_reynolds
1 day ago
Dinner with 2 of my favs... Nick V. from The Bachelorette and the voice of Cubs wife Pat Brickouse. @ABC #TheBachelorette #realitytv #RiverNorth #GoVubsGo

Apparently the Whitney Reynolds show is a weekly talk show on PBS WYCC-Chicago

Really cute picture!

[Cecilia]

IF Nick isn't F1, then I'm going to convince myself last night's episode was the finale and just watch that over and over   

My favorite post!   

Good idea. I've already watched their FD 3-4 times and it's only Wednesday.

[SueSt]

I did read and I love reading everything you all have to say! I just gives me pause when RS is so sure of himself and says see you on the 28th like he can't wait to be right. Sorry to bring negativity in a happy place. I just keep going back and forth in my head with it.

One word, or should I say 3.... MY Brooks, Brooks, Brooks. I hung on to RS spoilers and his every ounce of confidence last season. EVERY OUNCE. I think I've more than learned my lesson to ever do that again. Last year he was so sure, 1000% positive that Bres were engaged and still going EVEN AFTER Brooks left. The foil last year turned out to be the whole "Brooks returns at the end." Is it "inconceivable" that this season "ze plane, ze plane!" video/"she changed her mind at the last minute" is the ruse?   

Everyone should observe my Siggy   .Man! i never knew how it feels to get "RSed". It must have been sucked Monica!  

LOL...I couldnt have said it better.  "Brooks returns at the end." = definitely ""she changed her mind at the last minute"   . It will keep the viewers and RS at the edge of their seats till the last minute.
very clever of Mr. Chris Viall,  "inconceivable" ........i cant even conceive how big (and sweet  ) the kaboom will be....  

channeling Nick   , i love to strategizing/playing scenarios with Fleiss's devious tricks. So pls excuse me if the Conspiracy Theory came up often in my post.  . I always thought Fleiss have 2 different targeted viewers group to fool :
1) the avid fans--who seek info from RS and/or do their own sleuthing
2) General viewers-- who only watch every Monday
in this sense, the video, snapchats and all RS's evidences are serving its purpose for targeted group 1) while the horrid edit of Nick in prior episodes serve to smokescreen his connection with Andi as the F1 for group 2).

see,   suggests that  Josh will be let go at a point after LCD before FRC. I can already picture avid fan viewers keep thinking he will return in order the spoilers to be right.... It will be 'at the last minute' surprise for RS as well... Oh my....

Call me crazy. I believe the homeygirl had falling fast for Nick since their first 1-1 (on epi 3)---this is described well by an awesome friend   :
- her blogs. They go on one date and all of a suddenly she writes about this great mental, intellectual, physical connection.
- flowers/note: she goes to find him, zooms him out of the kitchen and out the door (really cute move; she could have done the usual and sat him on a bench or couch) then can't even wait for him to take off his suit jacket before smooching him up. That was after 1 date because he had NO dates in epi 2.

Needless to say, TPTB need to hide this early connection like crazy..including to throw the F1 in his 'personal' edit under the bus. (drama with the guys). Note that it doesnt necessarily means his Great Love story edit going down with his personal edit..(Note that these 2 kinds of edits are separated/different entity). Even in his lowest low personal edit, drama with Cody (Epi5) his relationship with Andi was getting stronger (Andi told him: if i were your wife....Nick reciting his 'When i see you' ). Nick's personal edit = V letter in my book. while the Great Love Story edit is like  the Eric's bracelet... with connecting the dots in between...(his connection with Andi keep progressing and building up in each epis)....opened by the FIR, closed by the FR.   

bringing over Sue and NR's posts :

SueSt wrote:
When speaking with his mom Nick says:
I don't want to be that person who's had his heart broke before in the past and that won't live his life to the fullest because he's afraid to put himself out there.
In the context of the episode around Eric's passing - Is there a more appropriate sentiment??
Very sweet!
#LivinglikeEric....

notarose wrote:
This is truly beautiful.  
Such a poignant approach to living one's life.  We likely all know people who cannot completely let go of their past heartbreaks and use what other people made them feel as an excuse to not be open hearted with someone new. True love is not about protecting your own heart; it's about giving your heart to someone else to protect for you... and you, in turn, are responsible for theirs.
Such depth!

Love that one circle is now complete.  How strong is Nick?  He fell in love with Andi on a tv show while having to not only deal with other guys showmancing his girl but having to also deal with them questioning his integrity. Under these circumstances, he was the first and last rose.  Like a string of pearls with roses on either end, the clasp is now secured.   (get outta here NR..you are such gifted with words!   )

That being said, i really believe the Eric Effect have played important role in Andi's final decision and... in TPTB's decision. Like i have posted, looks like Eric's passing made her to re-focus on whats important in life and how she view things, including what she has with Nick. Which is real and truly once in a life time experience and chance. I believe from way back, going to DR, she already set her mind who her F1 was (Nick)..that explained the type of date Nick got..and the unnecessity to keep the other guys around any longer --re: Chris's sent home before FS.  As for TPTB's part, Eric's death has also been the wake up call for them to showcase the Love Story that has been hidden for so long .

Im glad that we all get to see both Nick's personal edit soften and the LS is in full force,  on epi.8 and 9. On epi 8 Andi only said she saw the future with the one and only Nick (not shown in the other 3 guys) directly to both his sisters and the camera. On epi 9, it iterated in the intro package where she clearly said : she can see herself with Nick staying in love, and growing old together   (Note that she only used more 'generic' terms for Josh and Chris). Never before, TPTB also has 'allowed' such powerful VOs (like julychild posted upthread) a nd PIsfor us to savor.  . All of these are dedicated to Eric, for great love he has represented and for the one he missed during his life time. In this sense, I also believe unlike past seasons, TPTB will give more freedom for Andi to put her Great Love story with Nick front and centre in the end, to be memorable for a life time. Among others will be : Nick as the only and the last man standing at the FRC (both have been foreshadowed in prev episodes).  . We shall see!   

To top that, i also believe wholeheartedly--as suggest by NR--that TIME has been main focused in Nian relationship (the sign of 'time' has been all over their LS edit). In the essence, they knew they cant control when the 'time' (to leave this world) come. So as they talked on their first date, its only the matter of decision. we chose to be together, NOT with anyone else, and we'll work it out no matter what..so, why later?...... Isnt it soooo real and romantic?   

I tell you guys. A wedding aka in Nick's term 'impending danger' in the horizon. For now, im gonna go with a Recorded/Live ATFR from Milwaukee/non LA studio for enggament party/save the date and an upcoming Dec wedding ala Trista-Ryan. You know, a fresh from the oven couple> wed prep right after the season end, kinda. Not complaining! 

Dear Mura,
Your posts are genius...
You summarize a RL love story and back it up with lots and lots of evidence; it always has a magical but deep and true quality.
Like a fairy tale you'd read to a child! Beautiful!
Thanks so much for taking the time and making the effort to share your thoughts with us!
The one clue that made me laugh in this post is the inconceivable from Nick's dad... ok, now I get it!!   
Hugs, Sue

[SueSt]

http://www.desireehartsock.com/the-bachelorette-overnight-dates/

here we go fabgirl

There are two really strong and very different relationships formed in Nick and in Josh.

Nick and Andi were able to spend some quality time hanging out on their own private beach (The best!) and I’m not going to lie, I really like these two together as I’m seeing the connection and chemistry transpire. She had an instant connection with Nick that first night and it’s telling to see that the connection has continued. So often the initial ‘connection’ is typically just an attraction that can fade after the first few weeks. If you are thinking about a husband and someone that will be with you for life then you definitely want to have a mental connection, someone who understands you completely and someone who is passionate. Those qualities are lasting and the exact things Andi said she feels about Nick.

I found Nick to be charming and sweet on this date and I like the fact that he says he learned a lot from his last breakup and is ok with giving Andi his all regardless of the outcome. That is the only way the process can work and for Andi to find out who she really needs in her life. Nick’s love for Andi is apparent in the way that he looks at her. Andi mentioned a couple times that their relationship felt like an ‘adult romance’ and well, to me that is what a lasting marriage looks like. Yes, you can have fun and be goofy (that keeps the passion alive) but as for getting through differences or being able to discuss important milestones there has to be a maturity and an openness in both to understand where each other are coming from.

Sometimes emotional connections we feel can be confusing because they do not look like or feel like the connections of attraction that most relationships start on.  They are definitely a more important type of connection though, needed for a lasting love. Infatuation can be debilitating in a relationship after a few years because attraction can overpower emotional growth at times. This is where the mind and the heart battle each other.

Anyways, Nick’s story book was adorable and very thoughtful. It was his way of sharing his feelings and how much he cares for her. I do wish he just came right out and said that he loved her but it’s hard to be in the men’s shoes because they know that she can’t reciprocate those words.

Great blog from Des - she really gets it!!
Thanks the heads up fabgirl... and for posting, Mura!

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