Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #5

[sdmom]

Thanks for your posts MVMom! I don't know the Murray family and from what I read here, they seem to be a great family and very close. However, to moe, the fact Mrs Murray continuously promotes the show on SM, makes me feel she enjoys being on the spotlight. Sure you can say she is very supportive of her son and wants to interacts with fans, which is all good, but sometimes it's just a little too much for me. IMO, of course.  :hidingchair

[Guest]

I have just caught up so wanted to respond to lots up thread...

Nutty... Snapchat gate/SM evidence pointing to Josh ... I truly see this more as evidence of promoting Josh for next Bachelor. I work in PR/marketing and SM is a fantastic and FREE way to build a fan base. I am positive that ABC has a social media guru working every angle to promote the story line and create a timed, sm campaign. I have friends who build campaigns, send tweets on behalf of clients. All this talk of how much effort & orchestration...nope!! It's probably the newest hires to ABC team handling it.

Also, true athletes are taught to respect opponent and be humble with win. If Josh is f1 and already has spoiler backing his win, I would expect the Christian athletic family to be quiet as church mice. But, their boy Josh is still in the game ... competing for Bachelor with Chris who barely has any Twitter followers and the handsome Marquel. That's why his family with support & blessings from ABC are working SM angle so hard.

I watched first 4 episodes unspoiled and thought Josh was #1 for Bachelor and Nick was F1. I have flopped around some because Josh is the easy f1 pick. That said, I just think that it has been the Nick&Andi love story all along. I keep waiting for Josh to surpass Nick and I have yet to see that onscreen.

I also agree strongly that Josh talk about leaving baseball at 22 because it was not conducive to family life REEKS of next Bachelor because it is twisting the truth. He didn't seriously date for 5 years so clearly starting family not terribly important. I also think promoting that fact ... no date for 5 years is very appealing to some competitive gals...perfect next Bachelor.

Finally, we all see how witty, genuine, intelligent, career focused and sexy  Nick is. We see he embraced process and then some. We see how much he fell in love. He lives in exciting city. He has got gorgeous body. He is someone Fleiss could totally promote as next Bachelor if they had given him different edit and, of course, if he wasn't already f1!!

Great post MVMom... so many sharp points.
To quote Andi.... "I mean..."
Your arguments are very solid and grounded in what we're seeing and what we know of TPTB.
ADA Andi would be proud.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!!    

Just when I lose all hope that Nick could be the F1, a post like this pops up. I so hope you're right. It would be a great ending and great fun to watch RS react too.

[MVMom39forever]

Cecelia ... I think Nick's sm posts are just more subtle and his family doesn't seem to be involved which was similar to Chris last season. Only toward the end of last season did we see more subtle evidence from Chris and Des that Grace pulled together pointing to Chris. The only one tweeting from Des family was her brother but it was hard to take him seriously.

Andi has lots of tweets promoting show. But this latest Peanut butter and red wine tweeting is super subtle potential shout outs to each other and really only us super fans could pick up on. IMHO, of course.

Now mama Murray is not so quiet or subtle which leads me to wonder, why is she working so hard for ABC unless she wants them to hire her son? Why would she gloat and jeopardize confidentiality if her son is f1?

I dont know these people and am just thinking how I would act. If my son was 1) f1, 2) spoiled f1 and 3) fan favorite, I would be much more quiet on SM. BUT ... if my son was 2 & 3 ... Up for next Bachelor, I'd be using SM to promote him and show to Build his fan base! Because t that's just me ...

July 28th could be loads of fun or totally predictable. I am hoping for another awesome upset for Mr. Polka dots.

[isittrue]

Thanks for your posts MVMom! I don't know the Murray family and from what I read here, they seem to be a great family and very close. However, to moe, the fact Mrs Murray continuously promotes the show on SM, makes me feel she enjoys being on the spotlight. Sure you can say she is very supportive of her son and wants to interacts with fans, which is all good, but sometimes it's just a little too much for me. IMO, of course.  :hidingchair

ITA. I think if my son was F1, I would just keep silent, I'd be too nervous that I would violate the contract and let something slip. Part of me sometimes thinks that either the producers gave up trying to hide the ending or they are encouraging all the SM to throw us off.

[nutty1]

If i was watching and knew nothing of all the clues, I could see valid reasons why each team thinks their fav is F1, Nick and Josh.
The PB and wine clues are cute, but can easily be coincidental.
The clues about Josh being F1 are more numerous and more convincing, IMO.
I'd love to be wrong, trust me. I would gladly  :eatingcrow: 

[Kashathediva]

I have just caught up so wanted to respond to lots up thread...

Nutty... Snapchat gate/SM evidence pointing to Josh ... I truly see this more as evidence of promoting Josh for next Bachelor. I work in PR/marketing and SM is a fantastic and FREE way to build a fan base. I am positive that ABC has a social media guru working every angle to promote the story line and create a timed, sm campaign. I have friends who build campaigns, send tweets on behalf of clients. All this talk of how much effort & orchestration...nope!! It's probably the newest hires to ABC team handling it.

Also, true athletes are taught to respect opponent and be humble with win. If Josh is f1 and already has spoiler backing his win, I would expect the Christian athletic family to be quiet as church mice. But, their boy Josh is still in the game ... competing for Bachelor with Chris who barely has any Twitter followers and the handsome Marquel. That's why his family with support & blessings from ABC are working SM angle so hard.

I watched first 4 episodes unspoiled and thought Josh was #1 for Bachelor and Nick was F1. I have flopped around some because Josh is the easy f1 pick. That said, I just think that it has been the Nick&Andi love story all along. I keep waiting for Josh to surpass Nick and I have yet to see that onscreen.

I also agree strongly that Josh talk about leaving baseball at 22 because it was not conducive to family life REEKS of next Bachelor because it is twisting the truth. He didn't seriously date for 5 years so clearly starting family not terribly important. I also think promoting that fact ... no date for 5 years is very appealing to some competitive gals...perfect next Bachelor.

Finally, we all see how witty, genuine, intelligent, career focused and sexy  Nick is. We see he embraced process and then some. We see how much he fell in love. He lives in exciting city. He has got gorgeous body. He is someone Fleiss could totally promote as next Bachelor if they had given him different edit and, of course, if he wasn't already f1!!

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[nutty1]

I wonder why they didn't consider him as F1. He could have gotten a great edit.

[SueSt]

I have just caught up so wanted to respond to lots up thread...

Nutty... Snapchat gate/SM evidence pointing to Josh ... I truly see this more as evidence of promoting Josh for next Bachelor. I work in PR/marketing and SM is a fantastic and FREE way to build a fan base. I am positive that ABC has a social media guru working every angle to promote the story line and create a timed, sm campaign. I have friends who build campaigns, send tweets on behalf of clients. All this talk of how much effort & orchestration...nope!! It's probably the newest hires to ABC team handling it.

Also, true athletes are taught to respect opponent and be humble with win. If Josh is f1 and already has spoiler backing his win, I would expect the Christian athletic family to be quiet as church mice. But, their boy Josh is still in the game ... competing for Bachelor with Chris who barely has any Twitter followers and the handsome Marquel. That's why his family with support & blessings from ABC are working SM angle so hard.

I watched first 4 episodes unspoiled and thought Josh was #1 for Bachelor and Nick was F1. I have flopped around some because Josh is the easy f1 pick. That said, I just think that it has been the Nick&Andi love story all along. I keep waiting for Josh to surpass Nick and I have yet to see that onscreen.

I also agree strongly that Josh talk about leaving baseball at 22 because it was not conducive to family life REEKS of next Bachelor because it is twisting the truth. He didn't seriously date for 5 years so clearly starting family not terribly important. I also think promoting that fact ... no date for 5 years is very appealing to some competitive gals...perfect next Bachelor.

Finally, we all see how witty, genuine, intelligent, career focused and sexy  Nick is. We see he embraced process and then some. We see how much he fell in love. He lives in exciting city. He has got gorgeous body. He is someone Fleiss could totally promote as next Bachelor if they had given him different edit and, of course, if he wasn't already f1!!

Great post MVMom... so many sharp points.
To quote Andi.... "I mean..."
Your arguments are very solid and grounded in what we're seeing and what we know of TPTB.
ADA Andi would be proud.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!!    

Just when I lose all hope that Nick could be the F1, a post like this pops up. I so hope you're right. It would be a great ending and great fun to watch RS react too.

Hang in there, Grace.
TRUST; it will all end well!!  

[sdmom]

KASHA, you are too soft on Nick! Are you a Nick fan?   
Anyway, even though TPTB gave Nick a horrible edit, CH always defends him on his blog. Sure, CH is the mouthpiece of the franchise, but if TPTB wants to retaliate because of the video, why did he not throw Nick under the bus on SM?

[isittrue]

KASHA, you are too soft on Nick! Are you a Nick fan?   
Anyway, even though TPTB gave Nick a horrible edit, CH always defends him on his blog. Sure, CH is the mouthpiece of the franchise, but if TPTB wants to retaliate because of the video, why did he not throw Nick under the bus on SM?

Maybe they saw the unreasonable reaction of all fans on SM - hating on Nick and decided to dial it back. I am sure it was upsetting to Nick and his family and maybe they realized they were overdoing it.

[SueSt]

KASHA, you are too soft on Nick! Are you a Nick fan?   
Anyway, even though TPTB gave Nick a horrible edit, CH always defends him on his blog. Sure, CH is the mouthpiece of the franchise, but if TPTB wants to retaliate because of the video, why did he not throw Nick under the bus on SM?

    

[Kashathediva]

KASHA, you are too soft on Nick! Are you a Nick fan?   
Anyway, even though TPTB gave Nick a horrible edit, CH always defends him on his blog. Sure, CH is the mouthpiece of the franchise, but if TPTB wants to retaliate because of the video, why did he not throw Nick under the bus on SM?

I try to do my darn best not to fan any of these people.
The day these people start paying Kasha's bills or pay for my vacays--perhaps I will fan someone.   
I do "like" cast depending on the season, but seriously, when the season is over--it's over. I move on. 
I do like Nick. I "get him". I really do. 
I would have liked Josh more if perhaps his momma could have kept a low profile and TPTB developed him more in his storyline. So Josh has been abbreviated, but I do like him also.
MeandI---I don't like her edit. I think she is probably more likable than how I have been led to believe. As I said earlier--she needs more baking. 
Your SM comment for Nick is worth highlighting. I am amazed Millsy has not thrown him under the bus--but we have next week still. I suspect Millsy will come through and say something inappropriate regarding one of the F3.

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